Nutter Putters in the Program

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Psychadelic2012 said:
With a small amount of investigation, someone in DoctorLion's program would probably know exactly who is being described--we have gender, age, specific personality traits, and could easily get regional info about DL from previous posts. Just because every person reading this wouldn't know who it is doesn't mean it's not private enough. If it were me, and I happened upon a description of myself to this extent on a forum, where my colleagues would be able to read about things I've said to other students, you bet your arse I'd be making a complaint or a lawsuit for libel. This isn't exactly the most flattering description of a person and appears to be likely to ruin one's career.

Regarding hypersensitivity about ethics? Please don't EVER be in a situation to give services to me or be in business with me...that's all I have to say. I want everyone around me to be hyper-uber-sensitive about ethics in every possible way.
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While the person in question does indeed sound a little nutty, I have to agree. Just looking at the OP's previous posts, it was extremely easy for me to figure out where this person is most likely a graduate student, and if the OP's info is right and there are only two people in the program that fit the physical description, then this could get the OP in a lot of trouble. Luckily (and assuming I made the correct deductions), the program I was lead to by the OP's info doesn't list graduate students' names or pictures.
 
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psychstudent5 said:
good grief. you need to calm down with your tone.
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Pragma said:
How does one go about interpreting pitch over an internet forum? Sounds fascinating.
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Tone actually has more to do with the quality of the sound, while pitch is about where the note or notes register in relation to each other and in relation to the overall melody. [/musician OCD]. 😉
 
Pragma said:
Well, aside from my thinking that if you are feeling really uncomfortable with these interactions, you are wise to end them, really what I am wondering is "what's a nutter putter?"

I have never ever heard this before.
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Nutter Putter is a word I made up lol It's my way of describing someone who is crazy, but sane enough to know better. They're just Nuttier than your average putter (person) lol
 
Why exactly are we so concerned about this guy's confidentiality? If OP is truly an undergrad and a classmate of his, she isn't bound by any sort of confidentiality agreement with him. Is the amount of info she provided best practice? Of course not, but as far as I'm aware, she hasn't violated any professional ethics and this accounts to little more than online gossip. No need to scare her that she could be in "a lot of trouble." Furthermore, if you're so concerned about maintaining his confidentiality, at least some of the responsibility lies with you for trying to discover him when presented with identifying information.

Regarding the actual situation at hand, yeah, it sounds like he has at least some level of psychopathic traits (assuming reliable information). OP, I would be anxious to bring this to a faculty member if I were you, but I urge you to only do so when you have hard, objective data suggesting that this individual may be unfit to be a psychologist. I would not have deleted his email response as that could have been a great piece of irrefutable proof of his inappropriate behavior. Nevertheless, if you have concrete examples of his egregious behavior towards you, share them. But, an emotional plea or an unspecific, "He just makes me so uncomfortable and seems manipulative," won't be enough for anyone to help you. The complaints you would be filing are serious; your evidence should be too.
 
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JoeTinker said:
OP, I would be anxious to bring this to a faculty member if I were you, but I urge you to only do so when you have hard, objective data suggesting that this individual may be unfit to be a psychologist. I would not have deleted his email response as that could have been a great piece of irrefutable proof of his inappropriate behavior. Nevertheless, if you have concrete examples of his egregious behavior towards you, share them. But, an emotional plea or an unspecific, "He just makes me so uncomfortable and seems manipulative," won't be enough for anyone to help you. The complaints you would be filing are serious; your evidence should be too.
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Yeah, I was thinking about this yesterday. I shouldn't have deleted his last email without reading it. I have some past emails where he was calling me "sloppy".

"You are sloppy, but wonderfully sloppy."...I have no idea what he meant by that and every time I asked him he wouldn't answer. It sounds a little passive aggressive, but other than that I don't have written proof of his bizarre behaviour....which is interesting now that I think of it. It's really my word vs his and maybe his other graduate student friend who he had a falling out with. The most I can complain about to a prof when I think about it is that he tried to pursued me to use MDMA with him.
 
DoctorLion said:
Yeah, I was thinking about this yesterday. I shouldn't have deleted his last email without reading it.
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Most school email programs won't completely delete an email when you click delete. Can you retrieve it from your trash folder? If you have your email forwarded to another account, can you go back into the forwarding account to get a copy? Just a couple thoughts.
 
Another thing that you can potentially bring to the faculty/your advisor is the help he seems to frequently solicit for school assignments. In general, graduate programs take issues of academic integrity extremely seriously, and if he is constantly getting help on his papers and having others write them for him, he may be violating the school's academic integrity code. Obviously this depends on the nature of the assignments and what can be proven, but it's something else to consider in terms of his dishonest/inappropriate behaviors.
 
vivaloca said:
Another thing that you can potentially bring to the faculty/your advisor is the help he seems to frequently solicit for school assignments. In general, graduate programs take issues of academic integrity extremely seriously, and if he is constantly getting help on his papers and having others write them for him, he may be violating the school's academic integrity code. Obviously this depends on the nature of the assignments and what can be proven, but it's something else to consider in terms of his dishonest/inappropriate behaviors.
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I feel this is especially relevant if he's a grad student who's getting undergrads to write his papers. Doubly relevant if these undergrads are in a course that he is teaching or is the TA.

I don't recall whether my program had formal rules against grad students dating undergrads they supervised or taught, but I think that it's ethically questionable, given the power differential.
 
REAGRDING THIS INDIVIDUAL: He sounds like a manipulative, selfish, and out-of-control individual with little regard for others. I understand your concerns and respect that you are choosing to act on them.

REGARDING PSYCHEDELICS ETC.: As psychologists, it is important to remember that the illegailty of psychedelics does not inherently deem these substances useless. I find it unfortunate that this individual is so poorly representing these substances, but I think it is important to separate the stigma of such a rude individual from these substances. If psychedelics are ever to make it back into the realm of useful and helpful psychotherapy it is only through efficacious research methodology. As we all know, plenty of drug policy is based on historical precedent and stigma and has little to do with scientific research or realistic harm reduction. I implore those steeped in assumptions to examine organizations like the Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies (www.maps.org), which funds a variety of efficacious treatment studies (including the aforemention MDMA PTSD studies) attempting to bring back these substances into international dialogue. Among recent studies are the use of a psychedelic called Ibogaine for addiction treatment (it is legal as a tx in various places in south america) and the use of the main component in psilocybin mushrooms as a treatment for end-of-life anxiety (which a recent new york times article did a front page article on).

As academics and researchers attempting to help and heal others, we should never shy away from what the research suggests.
 
Why not just agree to write a paper for him, then conveniently leave in a few egregious instances of academic dishonesty that will get him reprimanded from by program?
 
MBellows said:
Why not just agree to write a paper for him, then conveniently leave in a few egregious instances of academic dishonesty that will get him reprimanded from by program?
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While I'm guessing you're being tongue-in-cheek, just in case: I'm pretty sure that writing the paper for this student would also be an ethical violation, even if the OP isn't ever actually caught.
 
AcronymAllergy said:
While I'm guessing you're being tongue-in-cheek, just in case: I'm pretty sure that writing the paper for this student would also be an ethical violation, even if the OP isn't ever actually caught.
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That was indeed tongue-in-cheekiness. If someone genuinely feels sexually harassed as the OP suggested, they should report it to the chair of their program with the presence of the student legal counsel provided by the university. The school has a legal responsibility to ensure that all of their students are in a safe and supportive learning environment, and any tangible fall out that occurs as a by-product would be considered retaliatory in any subsequent legal case.

I would always suggest first checking the student handbook for your university, they tend to have procedures put in place for instances like this.
 
MBellows said:
That was indeed tongue-in-cheekiness. If someone genuinely feels sexually harassed as the OP suggested, they should report it to the chair of their program with the presence of the student legal counsel provided by the university. The school has a legal responsibility to ensure that all of their students are in a safe and supportive learning environment, and any tangible fall out that occurs as a by-product would be considered retaliatory in any subsequent legal case.

I would always suggest first checking the student handbook for your university, they tend to have procedures put in place for instances like this.
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Agreed; sound advice. Universities are likely going to have different procedures for reporting and following-up on this, but I'd be surprised if every college didn't have some sort of formal process in place.
 
Still having trouble reconciling the OP's posts on this thread with OP's other thread "Are psychology folks better people?" The OP's experience with Mr. Coercive Creepo would certainly suggest that the answer is no.

Campus ombudsman is another option for discussing the matter. Of course if the guy in question has actually done something criminal (i.e. acts which meet your state's legal definition of rape or sexual assault) there's always the police.
 
wigflip said:
Still having trouble reconciling the OP's posts on this thread with OP's other thread "Are psychology folks better people?" The OP's experience with Mr. Coercive Creepo would certainly suggest that the answer is no.

Campus ombudsman is another option for discussing the matter. Of course if the guy in question has actually done something criminal (i.e. acts which meet your state's legal definition of rape or sexual assault) there's always the police.
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I forgot. There's always the option of letting him drug you and take advantage, then call the cops.



Please, please, please, don't do that.
 
MBellows said:
I forgot. There's always the option of letting him drug you and take advantage, then call the cops.



Please, please, please, don't do that.
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:wtf: How'd you come up with that from what I posted?

"Of course if the guy in question has actually done something criminal "

As in: ALREADY done something that meets the legal definition of sexual assault/rape. As in: maybe don't bother thumbing through your school catalog/handbook/website and going through campus channels if he's actually already committed a criminal act. As in: campus channels aren't always the most effective way to handle such matters.
 
wigflip said:
:wtf: How'd you come up with that from what I posted?

"Of course if the guy in question has actually done something criminal "

As in: ALREADY done something that meets the legal definition of sexual assault/rape. As in: maybe don't bother thumbing through your school catalog/handbook/website and going through campus channels if he's actually already committed a criminal act. As in: campus channels aren't always the most effective way to handle such matters.
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Your post just reminded me of that option. My brain works (or doesn't) in weird ways. Mostly I just wanted to be just a wee bit more cheeky.
 
This thread makes me want a nutter butter.
 
For some reason, I didn't make the Nutter Butter connection initially with this thread.

Instead, I could hear Sir Mix-A-Lot singing "You nutter putters can't deny..." and that scares me a little bit. Oh well!
 
Great. Now I'm picturing dancing, rapping nutter butter cookies running around the clinical psych program. :|

🤣
 
Pragma, last night I was putting at home (yea, i have one of those things) and found myself saying, "Stupid we ball" and "****e" in a Scottish accent every time I missed.
 
MBellows said:
I forgot. There's always the option of letting him drug you and take advantage, then call the cops.



Please, please, please, don't do that.
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How is letting someone drug and take advantage of you rape? lol
 
paramour said:
Great. Now I'm picturing dancing, rapping nutter butter cookies running around the clinical psych program. :|

🤣
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I think your fantasy might not be too far off from reality...atleast at my school 😀
 
So I scheduled a meeting with the nutter putter's advisor. I'm supposed to see him on Monday...I'm kind of nervous now... I'll keep you guys posted on what happens.
 
DoctorLion said:
How is letting someone drug and take advantage of you rape? lol
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wow. not sure if OP is "joking" here? but why do i suddenly feel like any concern i may have expressed over OP's safety was a particularly misguided waste of time...?
 
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wigflip said:
wow. not sure if OP is "joking" here? but why do i suddenly feel like any concern i may have expressed over OP's safety was a particularly misguided waste of time...?
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I was making jest of the other person's (joking?) comment...hence the "lol"... It seemed contradictory. He/she jokingly said that I should "let him drug and take advantage of me". as if to say that It should be premeditated. They were suggesting a form of entrapment.

I was just replying to nonsense with nonsense... Sorry though if it was offensive.
 
DoctorLion said:
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I was making jest of the other person's (joking?) comment...hence the "lol"... It seemed contradictory. He/she jokingly said that I should "let him drug and take advantage of me". as if to say that It should be premeditated. They were suggesting a form of entrapment.

I was just replying to nonsense with nonsense... Sorry though if it was offensive.
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Ah, I read that other poster's tone as sarcastic, not joking (i.e. a critique of my previous post). Perhaps sleep deprivation isn't helping me interpret tone very well. Good luck on Monday.
 
wigflip said:
Ah, I read that other poster's tone as sarcastic, not joking (i.e. a critique of my previous post). Perhaps sleep deprivation isn't helping me interpret tone very well. Good luck on Monday.
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Sarcasm was an appropriate interpretation.
 
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So, a few weeks ago I went to have a meeting with an advisor. She became visibly upset about what had been going on. She seemed to be the most upset about the fact that the nutter putter doesn't even have a high school diploma. His mother BOUGHT his high school diploma (from his country) as a birthday gift to him. He didn't even make it through 9th grade of high school. So not only is he in this country under false documents, but he lied to his undergrad program to get in!
So the problem is that I can't report him and remain anonymous. I have to file a formal complain against him...which means that he would know who I am. He's a very crazy and vengeful being...If he knew that I was responsible for destroying his career.... I'm certain that he will come after me. So now I am in limbo. What would you all do?
 
As crazy as this story sounds, I'm not a trolling. This is really happening and I'm beginning to realize that my school's program is full of ****. He hasn't talked to me for the past few weeks since the argument. I'm beginning to think that I should just leave the whole thing alone.
 
psychcyclepsi said:
If not trollololol, which I still doubt
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Seriously? After The Great Thanksgiving Weekend Implosion you're going to accuse someone else of trolling? 😕 Not the most gracious of ways to kick off your big comeback.
 
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1. He's a predator/bully he won't stop until someone makes him. He will find other ppl to "victimize."

2. Not sure why you have to file a non-anon complaint. If you sent an anonymous letter to several key people at your university stating that you directly heard him claim he did not earn a high school diploma, but were afraid to come forward due to possible repercussions, I'm pretty sure they would investigate his credentials in the very least.

People get all weird when you talk about harassment, but when you claim he is misrepresenting himself, it makes NO sense that they have to have a person pointing the finger to investigate his credentials. That is within their right as an academic institution to review that at anytime for any reason. I don't think they even have to have a reason to investigate that.

I think that way you could help prevent others from being victimized (taking everything you've said at face value), and also protect yourself, because we all know that can be tricky too.

Best of luck in a tricky situation
 
DoctorLion said:
So, a few weeks ago I went to have a meeting with an advisor. She became visibly upset about what had been going on. She seemed to be the most upset about the fact that the nutter putter doesn't even have a high school diploma.

So the problem is that I can't report him and remain anonymous. I have to file a formal complain against him...which means that he would know who I am.
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That seems very strange. Is it not enough that you told your advisor?? Sheesh. It's like they're setting you up for a nasty situation. I don't understand how an complaint necessitates identifying yourself either. Seems like they want to wash their hands of this issue. SO sad.

I would talk to someone else (the ombuds?) at your university. If you are in fear of your own safety by reporting abuse, that is just wrong.
 
I'm going to try one more time to have this student dealt with. Hopefully by going to the ombudsman of my school. But honestly, I'm just so disappointed with the way this school is handling the situation. It's obvious that they would much rather not be bothered. I wrote the advisor an email asking for clarification and this is what she responded:

" Initial consultations are confidential. If you decide however, that some intervention is required, it may not be possible to remain anonymous."

IF I DECIDE?? Why do I need to decide if intervention is necessary? He confessed to falsely representing himself to the government and our school, stealing other students books among other madness....and I'm supposed to be the one to decide if intervention is necessary. If this second complaint falls on deaf ears then I will just move on from the matter. I feel so sorry for this guy's patients. Just thinking about the harm he could be causing them....🙁
 
Goobernut said:
1. He's a predator/bully he won't stop until someone makes him. He will find other ppl to "victimize."
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I think so too, which is why I am so reluctant to put this behind me. I feel responsible for everyone he victimizes after me. I was unfortunate to be privy to his madness. I feel that Its my responsibility to stop him. But it's like no one wants to listen. You should have seen the advisor's body language when I was telling her about his behaviour. She looked totally disinterested and hassled. The moment I told her who he was, there was a total shut down. I feel like she told me that I can't remain anonymous just to discourage me from going further with the matter.
 
You can either leave it go and be upset you weren't able to put this person in his place or you make yourself known as the one who told on him and become a target, suffering any consequences which that may bring. If you think he is so dangerous, would you put it past him to retaliate against you? Is it worth it for you?
 
wigflip said:
Seriously? After The Great Thanksgiving Weekend Implosion you're going to accuse someone else of trolling? 😕 Not the most gracious of ways to kick off your big comeback.
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Implosion?
 
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