Ny vs chicago

[gemcane07]

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Hi I am a 4th year, and I am open to living in NYC and Chicago. How do the top tier programs in each city compare? Thanks in advance.

 

[md2010sgu]

Hi I am a 4th year, ....

So doesn't that mean you interviewed already???

 

[MCYan]

perhaps hes somehow off cycle?

top tier programs in chicago: NW, U of C
top tier programs in NYC: columbia, cornell, sinai, nyu

I think reputation-wise (nationwide reputation) columbia and cornell are up there; but within nyc it sounds like sinai is the place to be. I dont think there is a consensus on NW or U of C is THE program in Chicago. Chicago is way colder, winder, snowy, but it's in the midwest and a lot cheaper to live in than NYC. I personally see Chicago as a smaller version of Manhanttan.

 

[Dimoak]

I personally see Chicago as a smaller version of Manhanttan.

Chicago is considerably larger than Manhattan. Perhaps you meant a smaller version of New York City?

 

[MCYan]

Chicago is considerably larger than Manhattan. Perhaps you meant a smaller version of New York City?

I am referring to just the downtown area, i think the loop is just a mini version manhanttan.

 

[Dimoak]

I am referring to just the downtown area, i think the loop is just a mini version manhanttan.

Ah, ok. But neither NU nor U of C are located in the loop. However, Columbia, Cornell, Sinai, and NYU are in Manhattan. 🙂

 

[shaz8901]

How would you guys rank those programs? NW, UofC, Columbia, Cornell, NYU, Mt. Sinai.

 

[Metalblade]

Depends what you want. UofC is very academic and from what I've heard malignant at times. I would probably go to Norrthwestern out of those two. I know people that trained at NYU and Cornell and both seemed to be happy. NYU is more laid back from what I remember.

 

[shaz8901]

Depends what you want. UofC is very academic and from what I've heard malignant at times. I would probably go to Norrthwestern out of those two. I know people that trained at NYU and Cornell and both seemed to be happy. NYU is more laid back from what I remember.

really? Do you know first hand that U of C is malignant? I am actually a new yorker at medical school in Chicago. So what I know about Chicago in general is that it has pretty malignant programs, except maybe not UIC or Masonic. And out of all of the programs here the hardest worked residents are northwestern. Thats the buzz with the residents. But if you know first hand that U of C is more malignant than northwestern let me know, because I don't mind working hard in residency but I would like to know what I am getting myself into.

 

[Coastie]

NW can be horribly malignant.

Depends what you want. UofC is very academic and from what I've heard malignant at times. I would probably go to Norrthwestern out of those two. I know people that trained at NYU and Cornell and both seemed to be happy. NYU is more laid back from what I remember.

 

[powermd]

Columbia was an awesome program when I completed it (2008), and it's only getting better. Not malignant at all, great support of residents, great faculty. The trip up to 168th St on the 1 or A train is fine early in the AM.

 

[Shishka]

Northwestern being malignant is not up to date info. It used to be, but things have improved considerably since the new PD, who is a tremendous resident advocate.

The most worked residents are easily at Rush. And it's no secret - the PD and Chairman practically brag about it during the interview day.

 

[Metalblade]

I have a good friend that went to UC. He said the attendings can ride you pretty hard there and they pimp a lot. Another resident told me they tried to get her to do 6 more months of residency because they didn't feel she was "ready". Also lots of emphasis placed on the in service exam. That's what I heard.

 

[SosoHappy]

I have a good friend that went to UC. He said the attendings can ride you pretty hard there and they pimp a lot. Another resident told me they tried to get her to do 6 more months of residency because they didn't feel she was "ready". Also lots of emphasis placed on the in service exam. That's what I heard.

So the 6 month thing is true. How did they decide? Doesn't sound objective. I'd ask how many in the last 5 years and why.

 

[doctor712]

Columbia was an awesome program when I completed it (2008), and it's only getting better. Not malignant at all, great support of residents, great faculty. The trip up to 168th St on the 1 or A train is fine early in the AM.

Well, I'm not sure about "fine," haha. The A is always nicer for you out-of-towners, as it's an express. From 59th Street, for example, I'd say the A will shave 15 mins off the trip to 168th.

It will also let you off so far underground that I'm pretty sure you'd survive a nuclear blast. Thus, the elevator up from the land of the Worlocks.

D712

 

[shaz8901]

Northwestern being malignant is not up to date info. It used to be, but things have improved considerably since the new PD, who is a tremendous resident advocate.

The most worked residents are easily at Rush. And it's no secret - the PD and Chairman practically brag about it during the interview day.

Rush guys say exactly the opposite, and say northwestern works the most. I did a rotation at Rush, and there hours are long but not really much more than any other programs. All of the residents are within the 80 hour limit. The residents that keep track of their hours say they work from 55-65 hours a week. Which is not really that bad in my opinion. It is true though that Rush PD during interview will tell you to be prepared to work in residency. He doesn't mean you work more than anywhere else.

 

[Soon2BENT]

Can someone define a "malignant" program for me? I"m just curious.

 

[Shishka]

Rush guys say exactly the opposite, and say northwestern works the most. I did a rotation at Rush, and there hours are long but not really much more than any other programs. All of the residents are within the 80 hour limit. The residents that keep track of their hours say they work from 55-65 hours a week. Which is not really that bad in my opinion. It is true though that Rush PD during interview will tell you to be prepared to work in residency. He doesn't mean you work more than anywhere else.

When I interviewed there, he was very clear that you WILL work more there than at other programs, and that this is an advantage of their program.

 

[shaz8901]

When I interviewed there, he was very clear that you WILL work more there than at other programs, and that this is an advantage of their program.

Ya I agree with you that he probably said that. Im saying the residents who go through it say their hours are 55-65 which is comparable to others and if asked say that northwestern residents work just as hard. Im just telling you what is the perception by the residents is and what their stated hours are.

 

[iwumd07]

NW and Rush are both good programs. I have friends that are in each. NW has a better 'name' than Rush, but as we all know, names come from endowments and grants, not from the quality of physician they deliver. U of Chicago is very very research-oriented. It's in one of the worst parts of Chicago. They are lacking in trauma, but so is Rush. Northwestern is beautiful and caters mostly to affluent individuals, but does see some Medicare and Medicaid patients. Most of their trauma patients are women who lean too far on the glass at Tiffany's, or roll their ankle at Navy Pier. The anesthesiology programs at U of Chicago prides itself on focusing more on research than it does on clinical practice or making you a good physician. They are also known to hold residents back for at least 6 months if they do feel you did well enough on standardized exams during residency.