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hey folks

can anyone describe the difference among sinai, nyu, einstein?
and also columbia and cornell (i know they are more competitive to get into than the previous).

my impression is that they all have good teaching sites. einstein has a mandatory thesis and is in the bronx. cornell has a seriously PBL curriculum. anyone else? heard buzz on the student bodies there? happy?

thanks
 
The only schools out of those you should try to get in are Columbia,cornell, and nyu

There 3 of the most respected schools in the world with columbia being the best



the rest of the schools u mentioned are trash
 
commonsense34 said:
The only schools out of those you should try to get in are Columbia,cornell, and nyu

There 3 of the most respected schools in the world with columbia being the best



the rest of the schools u mentioned are trash


wow, that was a really thoughtful and articulate response. 🙄
 
bluebird79 said:
hey folks

can anyone describe the difference among sinai, nyu, einstein?
and also columbia and cornell (i know they are more competitive to get into than the previous).

my impression is that they all have good teaching sites. einstein has a mandatory thesis and is in the bronx. cornell has a seriously PBL curriculum. anyone else? heard buzz on the student bodies there? happy?

thanks

My impression is that Cornell has the best program--ie. New York Presbyterian and Sloan kettering are among the top hospitals in the country, Weill has tons of $$$ for research, and they are known from producing leaders in medicine.

I've heard mixed things about Columbia--really competitive atmosphere, older facilities, many don't students don't have a happy experience, admin seems caught up in their name-brand, but they match well.

NYU and Mt. Sinai used to be affiliated. But for some reason they severed the connection. It seems that people who go to either are very happy.
 
bluebird79 said:
hey folks

can anyone describe the difference among sinai, nyu, einstein?
and also columbia and cornell (i know they are more competitive to get into than the previous).

my impression is that they all have good teaching sites. einstein has a mandatory thesis and is in the bronx. cornell has a seriously PBL curriculum. anyone else? heard buzz on the student bodies there? happy?

thanks

I heard through the grapevine, that if I got accepted to any of these schools, I would go to it in a heartbeat. Ehh, except for maybe Einstein, I'm kind of luke warm about that school and the area.
 
Dude, you need to chill. PS – ‘There’ is not an abbreviation for ‘they are.’
 
HEY, BUT ITS ALBERT EINSTEIN COLLEGE TEH SMARTEST DOOODE IN TEHWROLD! WHATS COLUMBIA HAHAHAH A SUTH AMERIAN CUNTRY THAT BRINGS IN DRUGS ILLEGALLY 👎
 
you better be drunk. otherwise this is unacceptable.
 
Hm...So Mt. Sinai and Albert Einstein are trash, huh? Wow, you must be an intellectual, with such an articulate, researched, and well thought out response. I didn't realize two of the most well respected universities, with two of the happiest student bodies out there are "trash"... Not to mention top-ranked. :laugh:
 
TAKEANMDPILL said:
HEY, BUT ITS ALBERT EINSTEIN COLLEGE TEH SMARTEST DOOODE IN TEHWROLD! WHATS COLUMBIA HAHAHAH A SUTH AMERIAN CUNTRY THAT BRINGS IN DRUGS ILLEGALLY 👎

This is one of the funniest things I've ever read on SDN since joining. Sad, but funny.
 
TAKEANMDPILL said:
HEY, BUT ITS ALBERT EINSTEIN COLLEGE TEH SMARTEST DOOODE IN TEHWROLD! WHATS COLUMBIA HAHAHAH A SUTH AMERIAN CUNTRY THAT BRINGS IN DRUGS ILLEGALLY 👎


You come off as trolling. And not all columbians are represented by the drug cartel and guerilla warfare. I have plenty of very respectable Columbian friends and resent the comments you spoke against them and their country. There are other things beyond the drug cartel and guerillas that Columbia is known for too.
 
gujuDoc said:
You come off as trolling. And not all columbians are represented by the drug cartel and guerilla warfare. I have plenty of very respectable Columbian friends and resent the comments you spoke against them and their country. There are other things beyond the drug cartel and guerillas that Columbia is known for too.

This person was obviously trashed when they typed this. I would not take too much offense to it.
 
DrBuro said:
This person was obviously trashed when they typed this. I would not take too much offense to it.


I hope you are right on that one.
 
columbia =/ colombia

gujuDoc said:
You come off as trolling. And not all columbians are represented by the drug cartel and guerilla warfare. I have plenty of very respectable Columbian friends and resent the comments you spoke against them and their country. There are other things beyond the drug cartel and guerillas that Columbia is known for too.
 
gujuDoc said:
There are other things beyond the drug cartel and guerillas that Columbia is known for too.

What else is Colombia known for besides coffee, coke, and Pablo Escobar?
 
TheMightyAngus said:
What else is Colombia known for besides coffee, coke, and Pablo Escobar?

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🙂
 
commonsense34 said:
The only schools out of those you should try to get in are Columbia,cornell, and nyu

There 3 of the most respected schools in the world with columbia being the best



the rest of the schools u mentioned are trash


hahahaha.....trash huh!
So articulate you are! 😛 😛 😛
 
sidestepping this whole "trash" argument.... i spent a summer at einstein doing research and i hated it there. not that the med school is trash, i was not there fot that purpose, but just being "around," was not enjoyable.
 
FlippinOut said:
JUAN MONTOYA (AMAZING F1 RACER) & HMMM....SHAKIRA!

🙂


Shakira is Colombian?/?? *drool*
 
FlippinOut said:
JUAN MONTOYA (AMAZING F1 RACER) & HMMM....SHAKIRA!

🙂

Juan Pablo Montoya hasn't been too great lately but he's still good. Glad to see that there are formula 1 fans on SDN. Go KIMI!
 
zero2hero said:
Juan Pablo Montoya hasn't been too great lately but he's still good. Glad to see that there are formula 1 fans on SDN. Go KIMI!

Alonso 😉.

Too bad Kimi had that engine problem, would've been much more interesting with him starting P3. But I'm not complaining too much 😀. And 13 to 2 is pretty amazing.
 
commonsense34 said:
The only schools out of those you should try to get in are Columbia,cornell, and nyu

There 3 of the most respected schools in the world with columbia being the best



the rest of the schools u mentioned are trash

NYU is considered worse than Mount Sinai and Einstein? Is this true? I thought they were considered to be on par with eachother??
 
Typically Columbia, Cornell, and Mount Sinai have the best match results, with NYU close behind. All NYC programs are pretty much the same (cost, education, research, student body).

mdavid said:
NYU is considered worse than Mount Sinai and Einstein? Is this true? I thought they were considered to be on par with eachother??
 
Hi, I'm new here and thought this thread looked interesting...

I had always heard that Mount Sinai was superior to NYU but they seem equally competetive if you look in the MSAR...I believe the research at Mount Sinai is stronger

on that note...

I'm currently working on my AMCAS and I need opinions as to whether I stand a chance of getting admitted to NYU with my stats...

overall GPA 3.4/ science 3.1 (ouch) with improvement (sr. year GPA 3.7 at Emory U.)

MCAT 37N (12P 12V 13B)

I have lab experience and am working on getting a clinical volunteering position in NYC (i've recently relocated)

should I even apply or is my GPA unforgivable?
 
I would love to go to any of those NYC schools. I think I'd have to go to NYU because I've heard only good things about them whereas Einstein and Columbia (not sure on Cornell), a lot of people don't like them for some reason. Plus my father's uncle and cousin both went there.

Peace.
 
ATLien said:
I'm currently working on my AMCAS and I need opinions as to whether I stand a chance of getting admitted to NYU with my stats...

overall GPA 3.4/ science 3.1 (ouch) with improvement (sr. year GPA 3.7 at Emory U.)

MCAT 37N (12P 12V 13B)

I have lab experience and am working on getting a clinical volunteering position in NYC (i've recently relocated)

should I even apply or is my GPA unforgivable?

While everyone on here is usually Mr. Sunshine I'll be honest and say that with a 3.4/3.1 science and no present clinical experience, no, you probably don't have much chance. However, if you're not really hard up for money (which I would be if I lived in NYC) there's always a shot and they can't ding you if you don't try. Basically a question of how much you want that hundred dollars.
 
Hi, I have a question for everyone. Do I have a shot of an NYC school? I still havent submitted AMCAS, I will by Aug. 1. I have a 3.4/ 3.3 science and a 30 with 10s in each for MCAT. I also go to Cornell. Any comments? Any advice? Thanks
 
dilated said:
While everyone on here is usually Mr. Sunshine I'll be honest and say that with a 3.4/3.1 science and no present clinical experience, no, you probably don't have much chance. However, if you're not really hard up for money (which I would be if I lived in NYC) there's always a shot and they can't ding you if you don't try. Basically a question of how much you want that hundred dollars.


They don't have a huge chance, but there is still the possibility. So if they can fork up the cash, I'd go ahead and try.

If not, the best bet is to do a master's or postbac program. In particular, I'd go with an SMP program. But that's just my thoughts.
 
dilated said:
While everyone on here is usually Mr. Sunshine I'll be honest and say that with a 3.4/3.1 science and no present clinical experience, no, you probably don't have much chance. However, if you're not really hard up for money (which I would be if I lived in NYC) there's always a shot and they can't ding you if you don't try. Basically a question of how much you want that hundred dollars.

I currently work at Mount Sinai and though the position itself is not clinical, I will have many clinical/shadowing opportunities in the next six months. Can my profile as an applicant be improved significantly if my clinical experience is gained during the application process? Should I put off applying for a year and take more classes to strengthen my GPA? Will I be able to get in anywhere at all??? (I'm a FL resident)

Sorry for the barrage of questions, SDN is addictive yet reading these posts fills me with self-doubt!
 
My advice is apply to a broad range of schools- with a 37 MCAT (congrats by the way) you definately have a shot at top tiered schools- the logic that adcoms use in selecting applicants for interviews and acceptances can be baffling at times- I applied to 20+ schools (extenuating family circumstances- would recommend applying to no more than 15) and I got interview at all but 4 and was rejected by only one school outright post interview (georgetown)- I was also accepted at several excellent programs including a couple of top 10s-
New York wise I was interviewed at Columbia (waitlisted withdrew), Stonybrook (waitlisted withdrew) einstein (accepted), Downstate (accepted) and Cornell (accepted)- and guess what - rejected no interview from both Sinai and NYU- my stats were strong- GPA wise and MCAT wise
anyhoo the point is that you never know who will see something in your application that they will like or dislike- I was surprised to be denied even an interview at NYU and Sinai and overjoyed to be accepted at Cornell and other excellent programs that almost anyone would agree are much stronger than NYU/Sinai/Georgetown-

Bottomline: The process is random- just because you get into one place means nothing interms of your chance anyplace else (regardless of US news rankings or any other qualitative reputation measures)- make sure to tell a good story with your personal statements and having some sort of extracurricular life experience goes a long way.

Oh- one more thing, if you have above a 29 and around a 3.0 asking other SDNers what they think your chances of getting into so and so school are is pointless.

Best of luck and please excuse my spelling,
CW




I had always heard that Mount Sinai was superior to NYU but they seem equally competetive if you look in the MSAR...I believe the research at Mount Sinai is stronger

on that note...

I'm currently working on my AMCAS and I need opinions as to whether I stand a chance of getting admitted to NYU with my stats...

overall GPA 3.4/ science 3.1 (ouch) with improvement (sr. year GPA 3.7 at Emory U.)

MCAT 37N (12P 12V 13B)

I have lab experience and am working on getting a clinical volunteering position in NYC (i've recently relocated)

should I even apply or is my GPA unforgivable?[/QUOTE]
 
My advice is apply to a broad range of schools- with a 37 MCAT (congrats by the way) you definately have a shot at top tiered schools- the logic that adcoms use in selecting applicants for interviews and acceptances can be baffling at times- I applied to 20+ schools (extenuating family circumstances- would recommend applying to no more than 15) and I got interview at all but 4 and was rejected by only one school outright post interview (georgetown)- I was also accepted at several excellent programs including a couple of top 10s-
New York wise I was interviewed at Columbia (waitlisted withdrew), Stonybrook (waitlisted withdrew) einstein (accepted), Downstate (accepted) and Cornell (accepted)- and guess what - rejected no interview from both Sinai and NYU- my stats were strong- GPA wise and MCAT wise
anyhoo the point is that you never know who will see something in your application that they will like or dislike- I was surprised to be denied even an interview at NYU and Sinai and overjoyed to be accepted at Cornell and other excellent programs that almost anyone would agree are much stronger than NYU/Sinai/Georgetown-

Bottomline: The process is random- just because you get into one place means nothing interms of your chance anyplace else (regardless of US news rankings or any other qualitative reputation measures)- make sure to tell a good story with your personal statements and having some sort of extracurricular life experience goes a long way. Apply where you want - you never know.

Oh- one more thing, if you have above a 29 and above/around a 3.0 asking other SDNers what they think your chances of getting into so and so school are is pointless.

Best of luck and please excuse my spelling,
CW

ATLien said:
Hi, I'm new here and thought this thread looked interesting...

I had always heard that Mount Sinai was superior to NYU but they seem equally competetive if you look in the MSAR...I believe the research at Mount Sinai is stronger

on that note...

I'm currently working on my AMCAS and I need opinions as to whether I stand a chance of getting admitted to NYU with my stats...

overall GPA 3.4/ science 3.1 (ouch) with improvement (sr. year GPA 3.7 at Emory U.)

MCAT 37N (12P 12V 13B)

I have lab experience and am working on getting a clinical volunteering position in NYC (i've recently relocated)

should I even apply or is my GPA unforgivable?
 
I bumped into an old friend (from middle school!) on the streetcar in new orleans last summer, she was currently attending NYU's med school and said that if she knew how it was going to be she'd have chosen another school to go to. Apparently its med school is in decline from previous prestige but they still have the snotty attitude. Also she said she had much less face time with proffs and was mostly taught by teaching assitants. My impression of the other schools is that Mt. Sinai and Einstein seem to have more foreward thinking/progressive attitudes about medicine, and seem to encourage the medical student to hold onto their humanistic side and remain a "complete person", also their research is impressive. Columbia and Cornelll are also impressive but are more traditional and snotty about the whole thing, kind of a neophobic take on medicine.
 
whats wrong with einstein? why dont ppl like it? 😕 i'll be going in half a month haha
 
Ok here's the deal (from a Columbia 4th year, so grain of salt if you want, but I've been around a while and am wiser...)

Columbia -- Definitely considered the top medical school in NYC, no question. Cornell would be the only school to come close, and I have even have Cornell professors tell me that they liked Columbia students better! The didactics during the first two years can be a bit slow and archaic, but the third and fourth year experience can't be beat! Also, the P&S club makes life fun, and people generally tend to be helpful. Yes, Columbia is competitive, but so is any medical school -- don't kid yourself. Drawbacks include the facilities, which columbia is putting in serious effort into upgrading, and location in Washington Heights, which can be a bit of a downer. But at the end of the day, Columbia students are coveted by residencies as we leave the school ready to rumble.

Cornell -- Second best med school in the city. Problem based curriculum which is new and very hot. Problem with this is that students either learn a ton or learn nothing. But it would definitely make for a more interesting first two years. Their thrid and fourth year experiences are less than Columbia's, as their hospital is a hoity toity hospital where they are not allowed to do as much. I have been told by Cornell professors that Cornell students are a little too touchy feely and not as high on clinical skills as Columbia students. But, they also leave fairly competent, and get to spend their four years on the upper east side, which is a nice part of the city. Their match list is pretty good.

NYU -- Most likely the third best med school in the city. Gets some pretty smart kids from college. Have heard that the environment is really really cut-throat. Get to live in a really fun neighborhood in the east village, which is where tons of young people out of college move. Will definitely have a kick ass social life. Downside is that it is really pricey, and may not be one to turn down over your state school. I was attracted to going there out of college, but knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have considered it. Match list is average -- definitely doesn't compete with Cornell or Columbia.

Einstein and Mount Sinai -- In the same league with each other. Good schools with happy students. Match the students alright after graduation. Einstein is in the Bronx, which is not the coolest place to live. Sinai is on the upper east side, which is a more fun area. Sinai's hospital is actually pretty nice, and the students that I have met I really liked. Match is average. I would have gone to my state school over these.

Moral of the story:
Columbia>>Cornell>NYU>Sinai>Einstein.
 
Columbia>>Cornell>NYU>Sinai>Einstein.

I don't think it's that clear cut. I think of Columbia and Cornell as being roughly equivalent reputation wise. Cornell has fancier hospitals and more of a problem based curriculum, and a better neighborhood than Columbia. Some people think of Columbia (more traditional curriculum, not so great location) as being more prestigious, but I think they're very similar and they attract a similar caliber of student. I've heard from some sources that Columbia is super cut throat and Cornell is laid back, but then I've heard from other sources that the opposite is true. I think it depends on who you hang out with.

I also think of Mt Sinai and NYU as being roughly equivalent reputation wise, and only slightly behind Columbia and Cornell. There are people who choose Mt Sinai or NYU after being admitted to Cornell and or Columbia.

Basically, I applied to all four NYC schools (not including Einstein, I wanted Manhattan) and the admissions committees made my decision for me. If money is no object, apply to all the NYC schools, and if you're lucky you'll get into one or more. If you get into more than one, you will have had the experiences interviewing and speaking to students which should help you in your decision making process.
 
Murphy525 said:
I don't think it's that clear cut. I think of Columbia and Cornell as being roughly equivalent reputation wise. Cornell has fancier hospitals and more of a problem based curriculum, and a better neighborhood than Columbia. Some people think of Columbia (more traditional curriculum, not so great location) as being more prestigious, but I think they're very similar and they attract a similar caliber of student. I've heard from some sources that Columbia is super cut throat and Cornell is laid back, but then I've heard from other sources that the opposite is true. I think it depends on who you hang out with.

I also think of Mt Sinai and NYU as being roughly equivalent reputation wise, and only slightly behind Columbia and Cornell. There are people who choose Mt Sinai or NYU after being admitted to Cornell and or Columbia.

Basically, I applied to all four NYC schools (not including Einstein, I wanted Manhattan) and the admissions committees made my decision for me. If money is no object, apply to all the NYC schools, and if you're lucky you'll get into one or more. If you get into more than one, you will have had the experiences interviewing and speaking to students which should help you in your decision making process.
these rankings that we all talk about and what faculity from the other schools talk about or heavly weighted on research or clouded by the research strength of each school which may or may not mean the med students learn better. In terms of this columbia wins hands down. Cornell has tried to improve it's science departments for years, but just hasn't been able to be very successful. In terms of Einstein, MSSM, and NYU I think they are probably all about the same.
 
psipsina said:
My impression of the other schools is that Mt. Sinai and Einstein seem to have more foreward thinking/progressive attitudes about medicine, and seem to encourage the medical student to hold onto their humanistic side and remain a "complete person", also their research is impressive.
thank you for being the first person to say anything insightful or well-researched about einstein. i had to jump in with another plug for the school. most people seem to get caught up with the fact that it's in the bronx, and make judgements based on that, without even knowing/seeing the area. sure, it's not the most exciting of areas, but look at what you do have. students at einstein are extremely happy, and enthusiastic about the school, much more than at any of the other schools i visited. friends i have at the school are thrilled with the experience that they are getting. students at einstein are without a doubt on par with any of the other NYC schools. (everyone here should know well that you can't judge the aptitude of any applicant, no less an entire student body by tenths of a point on a GPA, or one or two points on the MCAT.) they are extremely smart, yet extremely chill about the fact that they are so bright. einstein doesn't possess much of the, as my interviewer there put it, "ivory tower bull$hit" of some of the other schools (*cough*columbia*cough*). my opinion? einstein is well worth checking out especially if you want to stay in NYC. there are no guarantees when it comes to applying to med school, so if you want to be in new york, don't skip einstein just because you are scared of the bronx. if you do, you're missing out on a lot.

and one more thing... einstein is a quick and easy commute to manhattan, so you could pay $1000 a month...at LEAST... for an apartment near NYU or cornell and be right in manhattan, or you could save yourself some cash, pay $350 max for an apartment at einstein, and have midtown manhattan a quick express bus ride away. (www.aecommunity.com will give you info on the area, as well as many other aspects of the school, if you're considering it.)
 
Myodona,

I just wanted to let you know that you are not alone in your feelings for AECOM. I have a good friend who was real impressed with that school, if not more impressed by it then NYU.

I've heard good things about AECOM from others, but mostly think that any of the NY schools, SUNY's, AECOM, NYU, Mt. Sinai, Weill Cornell, and Colombia are all good schools. And I don't think a person could go wrong with any of them.

NY schools definitely seem to have very very very good reputations. Oh and I also think that the one DO school in NY is also really impressive, probably one of the most impressive DO programs in the country in terms of the residency match lists, etc.

Again, though, any of the Ny schools and I think you'll be good. They all seem to be impressive in their own right.
 
Hi, sorry-

I dont know why I'm having trouble finding it, unless it's not there but- does MSSM have a straight MD program? All I can find is info on the PhD, and MD/PhD...
 
TheMightyAngus said:
What else is Colombia known for besides coffee, coke, and Pablo Escobar?


mentos, the freshmaker

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myodana said:
thank you for being the first person to say anything insightful or well-researched about einstein. i had to jump in with another plug for the school. most people seem to get caught up with the fact that it's in the bronx, and make judgements based on that, without even knowing/seeing the area. sure, it's not the most exciting of areas, but look at what you do have. students at einstein are extremely happy, and enthusiastic about the school, much more than at any of the other schools i visited. friends i have at the school are thrilled with the experience that they are getting. students at einstein are without a doubt on par with any of the other NYC schools. (everyone here should know well that you can't judge the aptitude of any applicant, no less an entire student body by tenths of a point on a GPA, or one or two points on the MCAT.) they are extremely smart, yet extremely chill about the fact that they are so bright. einstein doesn't possess much of the, as my interviewer there put it, "ivory tower bull$hit" of some of the other schools (*cough*columbia*cough*). my opinion? einstein is well worth checking out especially if you want to stay in NYC. there are no guarantees when it comes to applying to med school, so if you want to be in new york, don't skip einstein just because you are scared of the bronx. if you do, you're missing out on a lot.

and one more thing... einstein is a quick and easy commute to manhattan, so you could pay $1000 a month...at LEAST... for an apartment near NYU or cornell and be right in manhattan, or you could save yourself some cash, pay $350 max for an apartment at einstein, and have midtown manhattan a quick express bus ride away. (www.aecommunity.com will give you info on the area, as well as many other aspects of the school, if you're considering it.)

Hi, just wanted to say that I agree with everyone. I'm not going to AECOM this upcoming fall, but I was about to go before I got off the waitlist at another school closer to home. I was very surprised at how much I liked the school. Out of all the interviews I went on, the students stood out as being funny, bright, INTERESTING, and nice. The housing there rocks, and I heard the clinical experience is unbeatable.

Some downsides though... Far away from Manhattan, which was a factor for me and the match list results are a notch below the other more name schools in NYC.
 
Hmm, I think the match results from Einstein are pretty much on par with the other schools (except maybe Columbia and Cornell are a notch above the others). Also, I think there is a different emphasis at Einstein, which may skew the results a bit (less specialty-driven, not so hung up over getting into "ivy league" programs, etc.). I was told by a member of faculty there that they are in the middle of updating their curriculum, but I don't know any details on that. Everybody I know who goes to Einstein or who graduated from there loves(d) the school. And they all say that the clinical years there are awesome.

As far as living there, maybe it's not the ideal place to live, but it really isn't bad. As myodana said, the rents are CHEAP (although be warned, they just raised them). And it takes about 45 minutes on a bus that stops right in front of the residence area to get to the middle of Manhattan. That's really not long, and I'm sure there are quicker ways (like driving yourself). It's nice that people live right across the street from the school,and it's nice to live in the same building complex with all of your classmates. There is a grocery store within walking distance, but it's much easier to have a car. No, the surrounding area isn't beautiful, but it's not dangerous, and there are parks within walking distance. Also, Einstein has one of the highest percentage of married students/families, it seems, and in the courtyard of the housing area you will see lots of children playing every day.

(For clarification, I spent the summer doing research at AECOM and I have a few good friends in med school and one in grad school there.)

I don't know much about the other NYC schools. In my own personal feel of rankings, Cornell and Columbia are tops followed by the rest; I'd say NYU and AECOM are about the same level, with Mt. Sinai just under that. THIS IS MY OWN OPINION. I'd actually probably prefer AECOM over any of the others, though, because I feel like the students aren't as stuck up there as they are at Cornell and Columbia. I'm slightly clueless about NYU and Mt. Sinai. (You think I'd know more after 4 years of college in Manhattan...)
 
There are SIX med schools in New York. Going to any of them would be very advisible - since they are all in NYC, where a vast majority of docs would love to practice. Certainly Columbia and Cornell would have to be on top. They're the Ivy league schools, and they're awash in cash and tradition and a fair bit of snoottiness too. They've obviously got great match lists and they're no reason to pick any other school in NYC if you got into either of them. If I'd have to say which of those two to pick, I'd say Cornell, since its in a better location and has the tri-insitutional thing going - Weill Cornell/Sloan Kettering/Rockefeller University. Its great for research and a wonderful stepping stone to top residency programs. Columbia's got its perks too, but its hospital facilities arent as good. Even Cornell's peripheral campuses for clinical work are better (New York Hospital Queens, and Methodist Hospital in Brooklyn)

After that, its a toss up Sinai, NYU, and Einstein are all private schools that are clumped together in the rankings and it really wont matter where you go. NYU pretty much bleeds its undergrad students dry and throws it into the med school and bioscience grad programs - but it really has been hemorrhaging talent lately. Its also very cut off from the other med schools - doesnt like to play nice - and thus loses out on inter-institutional research and experience. Sinai is in a great location and has a good amount of research going on. The people there are also very top notch and do like teaching there. Their facilities are also probably the second best in the city following Weill Cornell. Einstein is also a pretty good place to be - it has locations in both the Bronx and manhattan so you get to experience Urban medicine (the bronx) and more specialized treatment in manhattan. Einstein's location is a little skivvy though.

The last school is SUNY Downstate in Brooklyn. Its a state school - and is actually known for the relative freedom their students have in their clinical years. The clinical hospital is Kings County Hspt, the largets hospital in NYC - and there are just too many patients for the docs there to deal with and students have a lot of leeway in managing their care. They get to admit patients, start IVs, draw blood - etc. In certain rotations they function essentially as interns with about half the load as a regular resident. This hands on experience is actually why Downstate has a pretty good match list. Think about it, in most job ads they require "previous experience" - and thus, the previous experience students get at Downstate helps them stand out come residency. And also Downstate has the most alumni in chairman and director positions in NYC - another boost. Downsides are the fact that as a state school it has far less funding than a private institution. Its location also leaves something to be desired. But it is a solid school and definately should be looked into if you think you might want a residency in NYC.

If anyone wants any more info feel free to message me.
 
amojan99 said:
There are SIX med schools in New York. Going to any of them would be very advisible - since they are all in NYC, where a vast majority of docs would love to practice. Certainly Columbia and Cornell would have to be on top. They're the Ivy league schools, and they're awash in cash and tradition and a fair bit of snoottiness too. They've obviously got great match lists and they're no reason to pick any other school in NYC if you got into either of them. If I'd have to say which of those two to pick, I'd say Cornell, since its in a better location and has the tri-insitutional thing going - Weill Cornell/Sloan Kettering/Rockefeller University. Its great for research and a wonderful stepping stone to top residency programs. Columbia's got its perks too, but its hospital facilities arent as good. Even Cornell's peripheral campuses for clinical work are better (New York Hospital Queens, and Methodist Hospital in Brooklyn).

I agree, espeically with the last part. Cornell is definitely in a posh part of town, but there are tons of affiliated hospitals, many of which are not in Upper East Side. Really, the clinical training is as good as students want to make it.

I only interviewed at Cornell and Columbia, and I thought Cornell blew Columbia away in terms of an overall package (i.e., location, program, match list, and clinical/research opportunities, both domestic and international). Of course, I am a rising first year, so my perspective may change significantly during the next four years. Despite liking Cornell better, I was really trying to position myself to get into Columbia (I was waitlisted at both) because I thought I interviewed better there, and I didn't want to be heartbroken after romanticizing about attending Cornell. Strangely, I was accepted at Cornell, and subsequently withdrew from every other school. While Columbia may have a better match list (I don't really think so, unless you look specifically at Neuro/Neurosurg/Psych, which Columbia is known for) because students from ALL top schools generally match amazingly in non-specialties and less competitive specialties. Super-competitive specialties are tough to come by regardless of the school you attend (although slightly easier for HMS and JHU students), which means neither Columbia or Cornell matched a ridiculous number of people into derm, etc. But that could also be because neither school had 20 people who wanted to match into those specialities.

There is more to picking a school than comparing match lists, however, so I would just advise considering where you would be happiest spending four years. I would definitely prefer to spend them in Upper East Side Manhattan, surrounded by Sloan-Kettering, HSS, NY Hosptial, and Rockefeller University, and studying medicine via an interactive, collaborative curriculum. Sure, we may have to study harder for Step I, but I would rather be less stressed out during the first two years, and spend the time I would otherwise be in class studying on my own. Anyway, Columbia and Cornell are both phenomenal schools. Pick whichever is best for you. Good luck.
 
what is ivory tower bull$hit?? i dont understand...


DrDarwin said:
I agree, espeically with the last part. Cornell is definitely in a posh part of town, but there are tons of affiliated hospitals, many of which are not in Upper East Side. Really, the clinical training is as good as students want to make it.

I only interviewed at Cornell and Columbia, and I thought Cornell blew Columbia away in terms of an overall package (i.e., location, program, match list, and clinical/research opportunities, both domestic and international). Of course, I am a rising first year, so my perspective may change significantly during the next four years. Despite liking Cornell better, I was really trying to position myself to get into Columbia (I was waitlisted at both) because I thought I interviewed better there, and I didn't want to be heartbroken after romanticizing about attending Cornell. Strangely, I was accepted at Cornell, and subsequently withdrew from every other school. While Columbia may have a better match list (I don't really think so, unless you look specifically at Neuro/Neurosurg/Psych, which Columbia is known for) because students from ALL top schools generally match amazingly in non-specialties and less competitive specialties. Super-competitive specialties are tough to come by regardless of the school you attend (although slightly easier for HMS and JHU students), which means neither Columbia or Cornell matched a ridiculous number of people into derm, etc. But that could also be because neither school had 20 people who wanted to match into those specialities.

There is more to picking a school than comparing match lists, however, so I would just advise considering where you would be happiest spending four years. I would definitely prefer to spend them in Upper East Side Manhattan, surrounded by Sloan-Kettering, HSS, NY Hosptial, and Rockefeller University, and studying medicine via an interactive, collaborative curriculum. Sure, we may have to study harder for Step I, but I would rather be less stressed out during the first two years, and spend the time I would otherwise be in class studying on my own. Anyway, Columbia and Cornell are both phenomenal schools. Pick whichever is best for you. Good luck.
 
ATLien said:
SDN is addictive yet reading these posts fills me with self-doubt!

that's SDN in a nut shell
 
OntheRoof55 said:
what is ivory tower bull$hit?? i dont understand...
a holier-than-thou, arrogant, full-of-oneself, snooty attitude that pervades some of the other schools, and many parts of manhattan life in general. since einstein is in the bronx, there's a lot less of that attitude. everyone is much more chill.
 
O'doyleRules said:
Ok here's the deal (from a Columbia 4th year, so grain of salt if you want, but I've been around a while and am wiser...)

NYU -- . Have heard that the environment is really really cut-throat. Downside is that it is really pricey, and may not be one to turn down over your state school.

Moral of the story:
Columbia>>Cornell>NYU>Sinai>Einstein.

Having attended NYU, I can tell you that the items in bold are BS. Competition is almost nil at NYU. It's P/S for 1 and 2 for crying out loud. And our tuition is cheaper than Columbia's.
 
myodana said:
a holier-than-thou, arrogant, full-of-oneself, snooty attitude that pervades some of the other schools, and many parts of manhattan life in general. since einstein is in the bronx, there's a lot less of that attitude. everyone is much more chill.

It's funny how people think they can act however they want, but then become extremely upset when someone else treats those people exactly how they usually treat others. For example, many of the people on these forums are no doubt arrogant, conceited, and narcissistic, as are many physicians I have met (these characteristics invariably shine through in their relationships with other hostipal staff), but somehow people on this forum perceive only students at "top" schools to be pricks, which is not true. Oftentimes, they just treat others as those others treat everyone else. The point is that there are asses at every school, and no more so at any particular school or set of schools. Of course, ripping a school's student body is a great way to assuage the dejectedness one might feel upon rejection...
 
I think that people would be kidding themselves if they thought that some level of competition didn't exist at every school.

You are always going to have the 12 types of med students at every med school, regardless of where you go. Its just the levels of gunnerism might vary from school to school.
 
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