OBS case - Stat C/S, obese, AS, lidocaine allergy. What do you do?

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A bizarre case heard 2nd hand that happened to a colleague of mine.

26 yo female. 32 weeks pregnant. PPROM, now with big decels for STAT C/S.

PT is morbidly obese, 280lb and 5’ 1” – ugly looking airway per his report (MP 4, ect)
Gestational DMII
Aortic stenosis with AVA 1.3cm2 – not really symptomatic but this is a person who is not active at all.
Reports allergy to lidocaine (sounded true, 2 occasions (1 dental, 1 skin suture) where had difficulty swallowing, urticaria, and wheezing post lidocaine injection).

No ester anesthetics available at our site (ie. no chloroprocaine).

FHR right now is OK but OBS is pushing to get the section going pronto (they are in a big hurry now but were in no hurry to consult us earlier in pregnancy?!)

How are you going to manage this case?
 
Dont know if the allergy is to methylparaben (wouldnt use an ester anyway since this would be more likely than a true lidlcaine allergy) or a true amide local anesthetic allergy and I dont really have the time to find out. She buys herself a tube. FHR is stable now. topicalize and awake FBO. An AVA of 1.3 isnt terrible, but have phenylephrine handy for the case.
 
Dont know if the allergy is to methylparaben (wouldnt use an ester anyway since this would be more likely than a true lidlcaine allergy) or a true amide local anesthetic allergy and I dont really have the time to find out. She buys herself a tube. FHR is stable now. topicalize and awake FBO. An AVA of 1.3 isnt terrible, but have phenylephrine handy for the case.
What are you going to topicalize with? 🙂
Benzocaine?
 
Lidocaine toxicity is rarer than hen's teeth. You can bet it was either the epinephrine or the preservative. But, in this situation...

I'd proceed cautiously with low-dose (like 5mg) of bupivicaine + opioid, or pure opioid spinal. Be prepared for a reaction. Then, you can monitor her and sit her in "soft" beach chair, give her 30-40 mg of IV ketamine and let her breathe an O2/N2O mixture if your spinal is inadequate.

That answer will fail you on the boards.

Conversely, you can do an awake fiberoptic intubation without any topicalization. You can "sedate" with a little fentanyl, and just tell the NICU docs (who'll be there) to have naloxone ready for the baby, if needed.

That answer might fail you on the boards. But, fortunately you don't have to worry about such a scenario being on the boards.

Lastly, you could inject a miniscule amount of lidocaine intradermally and see if she starts to have a reaction. There is a protocol in "Anaphylactic Reactions in Anesthesia and Intesive Care", Jerold H. Levy, MD (ISBN 0-7506-9064), but you will not have time to do the entire protocol as this is an urgent situation. What you can do is clearly document the failure of the OB/Gyn docs for not referring a morbidly obese patient with documented lidocaine allergy for such testing early in pregnancy, if the patient had presented with otherwise adequate prenatal care, and proceed. If you do the test dose, you need to be ready with anti-anaphylaxis drugs and to proceed immediately to GA with appropriate airway adjuncts to secure proper tube placement. If no reaction, sit her up and do the full spinal.

Would hate to be in this situation. What a sh*tty case.

-copro
 
hmm. good point. I suppose it would be an awake FBO with something like dex/remi/ketamine then. And it was absolutely ******ed of her PMD to let her get this far in pregnancy without having her worked up to sort out her lidocaine allergy.
 
intubating lma, or proseal. i wouldn't struggle too much.
 
I probably wouldnt go with an LMA (intubating or otherwise) as first option given the stability of the situation. If it was an unstable situation (bleeding, current fetal distress) then a rapid sequence followed by DL, difficult airway algorithm as necessary would be my choice.
 
This case would suck but I would probably proceed with RSI and DL with glidescope and intubating LMA as backup. I'd also have a surgeon that could get me a quick trach if necessary. I wouldn't mess with a skin test since I have never done one and don't want to learn how on this case even if it is easy. If she truely is allergic to lidocaine and you give it and then she has respiratory symptoms you will find her very difficult to ventilate.

There's no good way to do this that I can see.
 
No ester anesthetics available at our site (ie. no chloroprocaine).

Tetracaine is an ester and suitable for spinal anesthetics, though not ideal for a stat c-section. 🙂
 
I agree with noy, RSI with all the usual airway tools and the best trach surgeon around. I would also have a jet ventilation set up as well. AS wise, probably put an aline before induction and have some phenylephrine around. I have seen one person in my short career with a true lidocaine allergy that had been proven by the allergy doctors. She was coming in for a general anesthetic for routine dental work. Previously she had had anaphylaxis twice at a dentists office and ended up in the icu both times. She said she almost had to go to the ER after her skin testing at the allergy office. If they say they are allergic, I believe them and I would not try to find out otherwise, especially in an emergency situation.
 
....or pure opioid spinal.

-copro

Chestnut in his text (Obstetric Anesthesia) talks about doing C-section under a meperidine spinal only. Since meperidine has local anesthetic properties, I always thought it sounded like a good choice. I have never seen it tried though. Any one else try it before? I like the idea of using a meperidine spinal and ketamine IV.

As far as the awake fiber, I like the idea of glycopyrolate, ketamine, precedex, opioid as needed.

However, one time I was doing an awake fiber on this really fat guy, and he was pretty snowed on precedex and after I pushed the tube through the chords, he woke up, sat up, grabbed me by both arms and mouthed through the tube as best he could "HELP ME!!!!!!" and in doing so, he yanked out his IV that we had the syringe of propofol hooked up to ready to go in order to prevent this from happening. 😳 If your wondering how he grabbed me, I was standing in front of him (sometimes I do the awake fibers this way) instead of at the head of the bed.
 
Chestnut in his text (Obstetric Anesthesia) talks about doing C-section under a meperidine spinal only. Since meperidine has local anesthetic properties, I always thought it sounded like a good choice. I have never seen it tried though. Any one else try it before? I like the idea of using a meperidine spinal and ketamine IV.

I have done many demerol spinals. They are great for turp's, cysto's, tubals,etc. I doubt that they are enough for a c/s however. The pts routinely can move their legs, about 1/2 the time. In this obese pt, I wouldn't try it. I'll have to read Chestnut's cases but I'm skeptical. Maybe with the right pt but not this one. Plus they only last as long as a Lidocaine spinal (one real benefit to them) and this case (obesity) may take longer than that and you will have to deal with the airway in less than optimal situation. Good call though.
 
Chestnut in his text (Obstetric Anesthesia) talks about doing C-section under a meperidine spinal only. Since meperidine has local anesthetic properties, I always thought it sounded like a good choice. I have never seen it tried though. Any one else try it before? I like the idea of using a meperidine spinal and ketamine IV.

In a recent Anesthesiology, there was an article about smaller spinal catheters that don't have as much potential for causing PDPH. If available, you could always stick one of those intrathecally and run an infusion of meperidine.... hmmm... you maybe onto something here. 😉

-copro
 
In a recent Anesthesiology, there was an article about smaller spinal catheters that don't have as much potential for causing PDPH. If available, you could always stick one of those intrathecally and run an infusion of meperidine.... hmmm... you maybe onto something here. 😉

-copro

YEah, but I don't think the block is dense enough for a c/s. I may be wrong. But you would need to supplement it most likely.
 
YEah, but I don't think the block is dense enough for a c/s. I may be wrong. But you would need to supplement it most likely.

Could be. Have never tried this before (obviously, as we're speculating here). In fact, I've never put Demerol in a spinal. Used to be done quite frequently, but has fallen out of favor. You're right about block density, but desperate times call for desperate measures. I'm not even sure how much Demerol to use, but I imagine that a 15-20mg bolus followed by a 25mg/hr infusion would probably make a pretty good block. And, you'd avoid the "high spinal" problems as well. May have to try this, if I can convince an attending to let me.

-copro
 
Could be. Have never tried this before (obviously, as we're speculating here). In fact, I've never put Demerol in a spinal. Used to be done quite frequently, but has fallen out of favor. You're right about block density, but desperate times call for desperate measures. I'm not even sure how much Demerol to use, but I imagine that a 15-20mg bolus followed by a 25mg/hr infusion would probably make a pretty good block. And, you'd avoid the "high spinal" problems as well. May have to try this, if I can convince an attending to let me.

-copro

That won't be enough. You need at least 75 mg bolus and probably more like 100mg to do a c/s.

Infusion, I have no idea. Probably 25-50 mg/hr. It is metabolized rapidly.
 
That won't be enough. You need at least 75 mg bolus and probably more like 100mg to do a c/s.

Infusion, I have no idea. Probably 25-50 mg/hr. It is metabolized rapidly.
Interesting,
I have never done a demerol spinal.
So, can you use the regular injectable demerol? is there any preservative to worry about?
Is 75 mg your average dose?
How long does it last?
 
Interesting,
I have never done a demerol spinal.
So, can you use the regular injectable demerol? is there any preservative to worry about?
Is 75 mg your average dose?
How long does it last?

No it must be perservative free. Ours came in a carbuject (?) syringe. 75mg and 100mg. I haven't used it in a while bc of the difficulty getting pharmacy to get the PF version.

Yes, 75mg will do for the average cyst, turp, BTL and other short minimally stimulating case.

It lasts about 1hr give or take 15 minutes.

When you first do them you will be surprised that the pt can still move their legs. The nurse goes to put the pts legs up and the pt helps her. 😀
But I usually tell the urologist to get started and the pt never feels a thing. It is hard to test a level but I never do this anyway. At the end of the case the pt can sometimes help move to the stretcher. They think it is the greatest thing ever.
 
No it must be perservative free. Ours came in a carbuject (?) syringe. 75mg and 100mg. I haven't used it in a while bc of the difficulty getting pharmacy to get the PF version.

Yes, 75mg will do for the average cyst, turp, BTL and other short minimally stimulating case.

It lasts about 1hr give or take 15 minutes.

When you first do them you will be surprised that the pt can still move their legs. The nurse goes to put the pts legs up and the pt helps her. 😀
But I usually tell the urologist to get started and the pt never feels a thing. It is hard to test a level but I never do this anyway. At the end of the case the pt can sometimes help move to the stretcher. They think it is the greatest thing ever.
Thanks,
👍
 
In a recent Anesthesiology, there was an article about smaller spinal catheters that don't have as much potential for causing PDPH. If available, you could always stick one of those intrathecally and run an infusion of meperidine.... hmmm... you maybe onto something here. 😉

-copro

These smaller catheters are still banned by the FDA. The study authors were granted some kind of investigational use permit...
 
i have had reasonable success with remi infusion 0.2-0.4 mcg.kg.min for minimally topicalized AFOIs. Unsure how it would affect the baby, if at all.
 
So first about the lidocaine allergy.
My first thought was "BS. No such thing as lidocaine allergy, must be the preservative". Well a quick google and literature search comes up with the following papers (see bottom of post).

To summarize. True lidocaine allergies exist but are pretty bloody rare. If allergy exists appears that bupivicaine and ester anesthestics are still safe.

As for the case.
Patient had art line and CVC placed awake followed by an epidural. 2.5% bupivicaine was used for skin infiltration with plenty of time for onset for the CVC and epidural placement. Epidural was incrementally topped up with Bupi 5% with epi until a surgical level was obtained and the C/S proceeded uneventfully.

Her airway really looked like crap. Would those of you really just do a RSI and see what you can see? What are you going to use to blunt the hemodynamic response to intubation in the setting of AS (sure not that severe of a hemodynamic lesion but what if AVA was 0.8?).

My thoughts before looking up the literature were: 1. Invasive monitoring (Art + CVC, no PAC). 2. Awake FOB but then could not figure out how I was going to topicalize. 3. Then thought do RSI direct look with bougie available and glidescope backup using Remi to blunt effects of laryngoscopy and PEDS aware and ready with the narcan already drawn up (I have only run into 1 case where I could not intubate with this method, unanticipated abnormal airway anatomy and could not even see anything with the glidescope, could still ventilate so just put in an LMA and baged for 45 min until I could reverse the 50 of Roc). But now having gone throught the literature I think I would do art+CVC then Bupi epidural followed by smack up the side of the head to the Obstetrician for not involving us earlier.

CanGas

http://www.theberries.ns.ca/archives/anaesthetics.html

Alleged Allergy to Local Anaesthetics Fisher MM, Bowie CJ Anaesth Intensive care 1997 Dec;25(6):611-4
Fisher et al1 conducted a study to determine the incidence of true local anaesthetic allergy in patients with an alleged history of local anaesthetic allergy and whether subsequent exposure to local anaesthetics was safe. Two hundred and eight patients with a history of allergy to local anaesthetics were referred over a twenty-year period to their Anaesthetic Allergy Clinic at the Royal North Shore Hospital, Sydney, Australia. In this open study, intradermal testing was performed in three patients and progressive challenge in 202 patients. Four patients had immediate allergy and four patients delayed allergic reactions. One hundred and ninety-seven patients were not allergic to local anaesthetics. In 39 patients an adverse response to additives in local anaesthetic solutions could not be excluded. In all but one patient local anaesthesia had been given uneventfully subsequently. They contend, "a history of allergy to local anaesthesia is unlikely to be genuine and local anaesthetic allergy is rare. In most instances it can be excluded from the history and the safety of local anaesthetic verified by progressive challenge."

Understanding Allergic reactions to Local Anaesthetics Eggleston ST, Lush LW Ann Pharmacotherapy 1996 Jul-Aug;30(7-8)851-7
After a Medline search of articles published (over the period 1985-1996) on allergy to local anaesthetics, Egglestone et al2 suggested the following recommendations concerning the appropriate use of local anaesthetics and alternative therapies in patients with documented local anaesthetic reactions. "A true immunologic reaction to a local anaesthetic is rare. Patients who are allergic to ester local anaesthetics should be treated with a preservative-free amide local anaesthetic. If the patient is not allergic to ester local anaesthetics, these agents may be used in amide-sensitive patients. In the rare instance that hypersensitivity to both ester and amide local anaesthetic occurs, or if skin testing cannot be performed, then alternative therapies including diphenhydramine, opiods, general analgesia, or hypnosis can be used."

Contact allergy to lidocaine: a report of sixteen cases. Dermatitis. 2007 Dec;18(4):215-20
Lidocaine is used widely as an injectable local anesthetic, occasionally as an intravenous drug for cardiac arrhythmias, and increasingly as a topical anesthetic. Reports of allergic contact dermatitis and delayed hypersensitivity reactions to this "amide" anesthetic are limited. We report 16 cases of lidocaine contact allergy seen over 5 years. Concomitant patch-test reactions occurred with neomycin 20% (10 cases), bacitracin 20% (9 cases), fragrance mix 8% (3 cases), balsam of Peru 25% (2 cases), and dibucaine 2.5% and benzocaine 5% (1 case each). Patch tests with lidocaine dilutions (in petrolatum) gave the following results: 10% (3 of 4 positive reactions), 5% (4 of 6 positive reactions), and 1% (3 of 6 positive reactions). Intradermal testing with lidocaine 1%, mepivacaine 2%, and bupivacaine 0.5% was performed on 8 patients, resulting in positive reactions to lidocaine in 3 patients and to mepivacaine in 1 patient. Bupivacaine yielded negative results in each of the 8 patients. Relevance of delayed reactions to injectable lidocaine was definite in 2 cases; past, probable, and unknown in 1 case each; and possible in 11 cases. Delayed hypersensitivity to lidocaine may present as "suture allergy," treatment failure, typical contact allergy, or other local skin or dental reactions. Allergen substitution is based on further patch and intradermal testing, the results of which may be discordant.

Evaluation of re-challenge in patients with suspected Lidocaine allergy. Dermatology 2004, vol. 208, no2, pp. 109-111
Background: Lidocaine is an anaesthetic agent used worldwide in various clinical specialties. Although lidocaine hypersensitivity is very rare, clinicians frequently encounter patients with such an alleged diagnosis. Using a questionnaire, we evaluated the results of re-challenge with lidocaine, the gold standard for assessing hypersensitivity reactions in patients who claim to be allergic to this drug. Methods:A detailed questionnaire was sent to members of the French Dermatological Society, targeting the management of patients claiming lidocaine intolerance. After analysis and recall of doubtful episodes, 199 re-challenges were made. True lidocaine hypersensitivity was finally demonstrated in only 1 patient. Conclusions: The results of this study demonstrate that patients claiming to be allergic to lidocaine are usually not, their symptoms corresponding in most cases to a vasovagal episode. Re-challenge is safe and may constitute an easy and cheap alternative to skin testing. This should be performed in specialized centres except in case of a vasovagal episode.
 
1. its ALL about the mother. baby comes next.
2. issues 1. possible amide allergy 2. obesity (airway not necessarily difficult) 3. full stomach 4. fetal decels

LA allergy, like posted - very rare. but, ok, avoid amides. i would place epidural and load with fent and 3% 2-chlorprocaine. will have a surgical level in 5-10 minutes.

vs.

preinduction a line.

RSI with advanced airway device for intubation ready to go. preox. bolus 100 prop, 250 mcg remi and 100 succ along with 200 mcg phenylephrine. fiberoptic or glidescope with cricoid. you have 3-5 minutes of pristine intubating conditions.

keep rate down with esmolol/svr up with phenyleprine.

you do NOT need to worry about baby with remi - it's gone in 5 min.
 
in the face of a possible but unknown amide allegy, you cant use esters. the allergy may have been to methylparaben (preservative in amide locals) which is related to PABA (by product of esters).
 
in the face of a possible but unknown amide allegy, you cant use esters. the allergy may have been to methylparaben (preservative in amide locals) which is related to PABA (by product of esters).

Anybody else have any comments on this?

I thought if an amide allergy use an ester.....and vice versa.
 
I agree, only certain vials have methylparaben. The ones that say MPF (methylparaben free) are the ones without. typically most single dose vials dont have preservative in them. However, given the lack of history its hard to say if its a methylparaben allergy or a true amide allergy and I wouldnt want to chance it without more info.
 
or more specifically, if I didnt know the exact nature of the allergy I would

1. feel safe using a preservative free amide local in a pt with an ester local allergy

2. avoid an ester in a patient with an amide allergy unless I specifically knew if it was to the amide local or preservative.
 
Anybody else have any comments on this?

I thought if an amide allergy use an ester.....and vice versa.


There can be cross reactivity in patients allergic to one ester local anesthetic and exposed to another ester local anesthetic.

There is no cross reactivity between amides.

If somebody has a true hypersensitivity reaction to lidocaine (one retrospective case series of 100+ patients referred for lidocaine allergy found like 2 or 3 that had any hypersensitivity reaction and those weren't IgE mediated anaphylaxis) they are quite rare. The odds of them also have a hypersensitivity reaction to bupivicaine or ropivicaine or mepivicaine or any ester local anesthetic are even longer.


If somebody has a true lidocaine allergy they have likely been through a boat load of allergy testing and will know if they are allergic to any other local anesthetics. If somebody has a questionable allergy to lidocaine I'd be quite comfortable using Bupivicaine or Ropivicaine or an ester for any procedure.
 
Why a central line unless she was a difficult IV access? I would not be too worried about her moderate AS in this case, even with an epidural anesthetic.
 
I have done many demerol spinals. They are great for turp's, cysto's, tubals,etc. I doubt that they are enough for a c/s however. The pts routinely can move their legs, about 1/2 the time. In this obese pt, I wouldn't try it. I'll have to read Chestnut's cases but I'm skeptical. Maybe with the right pt but not this one. Plus they only last as long as a Lidocaine spinal (one real benefit to them) and this case (obesity) may take longer than that and you will have to deal with the airway in less than optimal situation. Good call though.


I think I mis-spoke. I don't think Chestnut talked about C/S demerol spinals, but for the short cases you mention. .😳
 
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