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Only go if you can't get in to an allopathic program. Go to the islands before these schools. You'll save money and you'll have a better shot at placement in the U.S. 👍

Stanford or bust
 
Originally posted by doctorcynical
Only go if you can't get in to an allopathic program. Go the islands before these schools. You'll save money and you'll have a better shot at placement in the U.S. 👍
I sincerely hope you are joking around. First off, you won't really save money by going to the islands and you actually may save money if you go to a state DO school like TCOM or OSU-COM where the tuition is cheap.

As for residency spots, residency directors chose US medical students first for their spots. Typically the ranking is US MD, US DO, and then FMG. The simple reason is because the programs get funded by the government so they will choose their own graduates first.

Whether the post was a joke or not, please get your information right instead of propagating false information.
 
Originally posted by Slickness
I sincerely hope you are joking around. First off, you won't really save money by going to the islands and you actually may save money if you go to a state DO school like TCOM or OSU-COM where the tuition is cheap.

As for residency spots, residency directors chose US medical students first for their spots. Typically the ranking is US MD, US DO, and then FMG. The simple reason is because the programs get funded by the government so they will choose their own graduates first.

Whether the post was a joke or not, please get your information right instead of propagating false information.

He's a troll stirring up trouble.
 
Originally posted by Kashue
He's a troll stirring up trouble.
Yes the post seemed a bit trollish.
 
Kashue are you in osteopathy school? Did you go for philosophical reasons? This is no joke. I just feel everyone agrees with this but no one wants to step on anyone else's feet. I am just looking out for people that are having trouble deciding between the two.

Stanford or bust!
 
That's what I was thinking. I don't know why people get on these forums to pick fights. If you want to do that, go somewhere else. Nobody is going to their mind opened or changed in a bicker online.
 
Originally posted by doctorcynical
Kashue are you in osteopathy school? Did you go for philosophical reasons? This is no joke. I just feel everyone agrees with this but no one wants to step on anyone else's feet. I am just looking out for people that are having trouble deciding between the two.
To each his own. Some people may choose to go US DO over US MD for personal reasons. In most cases, if you had the choice it would be smarter to pick US MD if you want to specialize.

However, the argument I made stands for US DO vs. caribbean. The hierarchy in the medical field is US MD, US DO, and than FMG for residency directors as well as the perceived hierarchy in general. I don't think this is necessarily right, but that's how it is in the medical field.
 
These arguments are so petty. There are so many more important things you can put your energy into like trying to fix the current crisis that we as physicians face now, or as medical students will be facing in the future, there is a grim road ahead for all physicians and it certainly does not make a distinction between MD?s & DO?s, PCP?s or specialists. We don?t have the authority we used to, we are told how we can and cannot treat patients by non-physicians, thanks to insurance companies and ?medical necessity clauses? that we allowed to happen because we fell asleep at the wheel. We are getting sued every which way by sweet talking trial lawyers that have convinced this nation that doctors have bottomless pockets, that every baby should be born perfect, and if anything (and I mean anything) goes wrong it?s the doctors fault. Well guess what... we don?t, that cant happen, and no its not. Thanks to these people malpractice is outrageous. Do you know how many private practice ob/gyn?s are in the Bronx right now? On of the most medically undeserved area in the nation. Not one. I?ll say it again. Not one.

And here we sit bickering like children...

Here?s a riddle for all of you. A diabetic goes to a family practice doc, an internist, a nurse practitioner and an endocrinologist. Who gets the most reimbursement? ... they get the same amount.

Well the endocrinologist has done the most training and certainly he can manage a diabetic better than someone straight out of nursing school right? Damn straight. So what?s the point of specializing if we can get the same amount of reimbursement as a nurse? the benefit to the patient, our own lust for learning? Sure, but should not we be rewarded for this? Did you know that every dollar that is paid as an insurance premium, 14 cents actually go to cover health care costs. 16 cents go to advertising. They pay more for friggin? advertisements!! And the rest goes to processing the 3' pile of papers we have to fill out when someone scrapes there knee. Does anyone else find this asinine?

So while we were busy fighting with ourselves, insurance CEO?s, trial lawyers, and non-physician health care workers were busy reaching there hand into our pockets and those of the taxpayers at the cost of patient care*.

Scared, angry? Yeah you should be. It?s your future.

*This is in no way is meant to demonize all trial lawyers or people who work for insurance companies as there are plenty out there with good intentions. I am also certainly not attempting to berate those who have chosen other careers in health care. Especially nurses, because we all love you and absolutely could not function with out you. Im just trying to illustrate a point.

At times I get really upset with these forums because of the constant immature bickering that I see here and the amount of people that seem to take all these posts at face value, to heart, or even worse as words that some ?supreme medical being? has set in stone, and they end up completely missing the big picture. We are all supposed to be professionals, act like it. Nothing is set in stone. If you don?t like it, change it. If it hasn?t been done before, do it. Lastly, for gods sake quit arguing. Sorry but this crap just makes me sick. Every once and awhile you need to stop, take a look at that bigger picture and ask yourself what really matters.

I will be posting this in other threads I am disgusted with.

Thank you for letting me rant, as you can see I was very moved by a health policy lecture I had this afternoon 🙂 which I am almost reiterating. I will now step off my soap box and try to prevent future outbursts such as these from happening. I hope I have not offended anyone, I am only trying to open my future colleague?s eyes to the severity of the problems that face us in the future.


Cowboy
 
Originally posted by doctorcynical
Only go if you can't get in to an allopathic program. Go the islands before these schools. You'll save money and you'll have a better shot at placement in the U.S. 👍

Stanford or bust

My voodoo osteopathic school training landed me interviews at Northwestern, Wash U, Cleveland Clinic and Johns Hopkins among others. I would definitively say that USDO students do have a better shot at landing competitive spots versus overseas grads (having spoken with IMGs getting worked over and left as carrion post prelim surg).

However, no matter what school you go to, if you work hard it pays off. People notice outstanding candidates for various reasons and where they spent their first 2 years with their heads buried in the books doesn't matter. Scoring well on your boards and getting noticed in your clinical years are entirely independent of which institution you trained at...at least that is what I personally have seen.

As a non sequitur I could grab almost any community college associates degree grad, put them in any medical school, and watch them graduate 4 years later. This isn't engineering my friend. Once you graduate none of it makes a damn bit of difference anyways.

Best of luck and see you out there in the real world.
 
I feel like Sns is back from the dead. This guy registered two days ago and has posted an overwhelming number of inflammatory posts. I think it's time for everyone to adjust their ignore lists. Boo.
 
hey doccynical..........didn't you promise to tone it down on 3 different occasions so far!! Your comment is absolutely ludicrus and absured not to mention ignorant ! DO doctors are equally as competent as the MD....FYI they go through the same curriculum. I personally prefer a doctor who is compassionate, knowledgable and understanding and I could give rat's ass whether they have an MD or a DO at the end of their name. 😡
 
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Originally posted by lyragrl
I feel like Sns is back from the dead. This guy registered two days ago and has posted an overwhelming number of inflammatory posts. I think it's time for everyone to adjust their ignore lists. Boo.

No, SnS was funny. drcynical just sucks
 
Foreign medical schools don't have hospitals for you to rotate, do they. Not third year anyway.
 
One Thing I have to say is that ... I actually would go to the caribbean before a DO school BUT ONLY BECAUSE in Canada they do not recognize DO graduates as full fleged physicians. I hope this will change in the future (and it looks like it is) but until then, if I ever decide to return up north (which I might or might not)..... I at least want the option.

But yeah...... obviously if Canada relaxed their laws a little and granted DO's the same rights as MD's than I would probably go to an osteopathic med school rather than a foreign MD one.
 
To answer Cowboy DO's riddle: the one who makes the most money is the physician who supervises the NP. That way the physician can see his/her own patients and gets the reimbursement, but also gets up to half of the reimbursements going to the NP.

However, the fallacy of your riddle rests in the ease and comfort of any of these 4 you listed to manage diabetes, a common condition. If you had multiple sclerosis, you'd be highly advised to go to a neurologist for sure. If you had multiple myeloma, going to a NP would be a highly questionable move.

There are many conditions that specialists would be happy to let internists, PCPs, and NPs manage (headache, backache, sinusitis, diabetes), but specialists trainings involve more these pedestrian conditions. However, because of the bourgois-ing of medicine, specialties such as endocrinology and pediatric specialties (including neuro, cards, and pulm - whose adult equivalents are better reimbursed due to procedures) reward the faithful ones who choose these fields very little more than the PCPs. In fact, FPs who do ER and/or OB frequently make more $ than these specialists. Is it right? No, but that's how the current system rewards physicians and teaches trainees about the value of being one of these specialists. It's something that needs fixing as badly as the malpractice insurance issue, otherwise we will be out of specialists soon. Only when we have a case of difficult-to-manage diabetes and can't find an endocrinologist around will we see the true advantage of having these poorly paid specialists around and feel the bitter aftertaste of the current medical revolution characterized by cost reduction by any means necessary.

We are really starting to have a two-tier system of medicine. On the bottom, those who cannot afford to pay out of pocket go to a modified Canadian system (PCPs and NPs) and get adequate primary care without strong support of specialists. (Slightly to way) above them sit those who can afford to be private payers, who can afford to go to the multispecialty clinics and the executive medicine programs to get the million dollar work-up. Somewhere in between sits the majority of Americans who want to get the care offered by the upper tier but only want to pay the cost of the bottom tier.
 
Originally posted by Gleevec
No, SnS was funny. drcynical just sucks

True, but I think this is an SNS alterego. The threads are for no other reason than to stir up ire and a lot of people are getting sucked in. UCSF = Pink Power Ranger? Please. This is obviously a troll, and a repeat troll to boot. Stop feeding it.
 
Originally posted by ocean11
One Thing I have to say is that ... I actually would go to the caribbean before a DO school BUT ONLY BECAUSE in Canada they do not recognize DO graduates as full fleged physicians. I hope this will change in the future (and it looks like it is) but until then, if I ever decide to return up north (which I might or might not)..... I at least want the option.

But yeah...... obviously if Canada relaxed their laws a little and granted DO's the same rights as MD's than I would probably go to an osteopathic med school rather than a foreign MD one.

Ocean11, it's your lucky day. Check this out:

http://www.aoa.net/international/canada-recognize.pdf

By the way, if this post was too much I'm sorry. I'll tone it down.
 
I'm Glad DO'S are getting more recognition up here, thats fantastic!!!
 
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