Ohio medical schools ranking

[Emmie]

How do you rank all the med schools in the state of Ohio?

Case
CLE clinic
U of Cincinnati
U of Toledo (is this also call medical college of ohio?)
wright state
Ohio state
Northeastern Ohio

Did I miss any?

Thanks.

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[osumc2014]

How do you rank all the med schools in the state of Ohio?

Case
CLE clinic
U of Cincinnati
U of Toledo (is this also call medical college of ohio?)
wright state
Ohio state
Northeastern Ohio

Did I miss any?

Thanks.

Hmm there's 6 + OU which is osteopathic. Cleveland clinic is not a school. Ranking could be very subjective, as for me: From highest to lowest

OSU, UC=Case, NEOUCOM, toledo, wright state.

But like I said people may have different rankings...but I think this is fairly accurate

 

[Emmie]

Thanks. I believe there is a medical school within Cleveland Clinic. I found the info from another post a while ago. I also heard some Clevelanders talking about it. But I could be wrong.

 

[DrYoda]

(is this also call medical college of ohio?)

It used to be then it merged with the University of Toledo.

Cleveland clinic does have a 5yr med school (1 research year plus the 4 standard years) assosciated with Case Western. See the Cleveland clinic Lerner College of Medicine.

 

[buffywannabe]

I would say Case is better than OSU... you should check the school selector by LizzyM, the schools seemed to be listed in a most difficult (best?) to least difficult fashion.

 

[Emmie]

It used to be then it merged with the University of Toledo.

Cleveland clinic does have a 5yr med school (1 research year plus the 4 standard years) assosciated with Case Western. See the Cleveland clinic Lerner College of Medicine.

Does anyone knows how competitive to get in CCLCM? Would you say it's better than Case? Just scan through the website, it's a 5-yrs program, it doesn't mention anything about the avg GPA or the MCAT? Anyone knows?

 

[ChairmanMao]

I would say Case is better than OSU... you should check the school selector by LizzyM, the schools seemed to be listed in a most difficult (best?) to least difficult fashion.

The last time I checked US News and World Report Case was ranked 25 and OSU ranked 26, so essentially Case = OSU since their MCAT and GPA are almost identical. If you were going by ranking and selectivity, then:

1. Cleveland Clinic (most selective given that they get 1300 applications for 30 spots)

2. Case = OSU

3. Cincinnati

4. Toledo

5. Wright State

6. NEOCOM

 

[DrYoda]

Does anyone knows how competitive to get in CCLCM? Would you say it's better than Case? Just scan through the website, it's a 5-yrs program, it doesn't mention anything about the avg GPA or the MCAT? Anyone knows?

I don't know CCLCM's numbers. But based on the very small class size and the fact that everyone gets a full ride I'm betting it's very competitive.

 

[Emmie]

I don't know CCLCM's numbers. But based on the very small class size and the fact that everyone gets a full ride I'm betting it's very competitive.

It looks like all of them are from Ivy league, I bet it is.

 

[Emmie]

The last time I checked US News and World Report Case was ranked 25 and OSU ranked 26, so essentially Case = OSU since their MCAT and GPA are almost identical. If you were going by ranking and selectivity, then:

1. Cleveland Clinic (most selective given that they get 1300 applications for 30 spots)

2. Case = OSU

3. Cincinnati

4. Toledo

5. Wright State

6. NEOCOM

Could you list the rest of the applicants vs. enrollees as well?

p.s.: What's up with the avatar...LOL

 

[BlueElmo]

Could you list the rest of the applicants vs. enrollees as well?

p.s.: What's up with the avatar...LOL

That's DrYoda, of course.

 

[tiedyeddog]

Could you list the rest of the applicants vs. enrollees as well?

p.s.: What's up with the avatar...LOL

OP, look it up. Buy an MSAR....

 

[phospho]

1. The Clinic

2. Case

3. OSU = Cincy

4. Wright State = Toledo

5. NEOUCOM

If you were to go by NIH money, then maybe toledo might be (very slightly) higher than WSU (although only by about one million dollars in NIH money).

However, toledo's acceptance rate is about 10% while WSU's is 6%. I would rate them both on the exact same level since each of them attracts a completely different kind of student population.

In fact, in terms of numbers, WSU has the lowest acceptance rate in the state of ohio, but like I said, that # might be a bit skewed because of student demographics.

 

[osumc2014]

How to even apply CCLCOM?

 

[phospho]

How to even apply CCLCOM?

You apply to Case, and you indicate on your secondary that you would like to also be considered for CCLCM.

Yes, they only charge you one secondary fee...🙂

 

[MossPoh]

I understand it is just a curiosity thing, but saying which schools are better always seems like a pi$$ing match. I always seem to hear mixed things about CCLCM. Their curriculum is just so different that you really have to be a particular type of student I suppose.

 

[phospho]

I understand it is just a curiosity thing, but saying which schools are better always seems like a pi$$ing match. I always seem to hear mixed things about CCLCM. Their curriculum is just so different that you really have to be a particular type of student I suppose.

definitely! i know quite a few people who have the numbers but didn't apply there because they wouldn't want to attend. CCLCM is a good school, but isn't everyone's cup of tea...

 

[Emmie]

1. The Clinic

2. Case

3. OSU = Cincy

4. Wright State = Toledo

5. NEOUCOM

If you were to go by NIH money, then maybe toledo might be (very slightly) higher than WSU (although only by about one million dollars in NIH money).

However, toledo's acceptance rate is about 10% while WSU's is 6%. I would rate them both on the exact same level since each of them attracts a completely different kind of student population.

In fact, in terms of numbers, WSU has the lowest acceptance rate in the state of ohio, but like I said, that # might be a bit skewed because of student demographics.

I'm a bit confused. The clinic and case are private schools, all other ones on your list are public. Don't they take the majority of Ohio residents? How come it's only 10 or 6%? Are you talking about the rate for non OH applicants?

 

[phospho]

I'm a bit confused. The clinic and case are private schools, all other ones on your list are public. Don't they take the majority of Ohio residents? How come it's only 10 or 6%? Are you talking about the rate for non OH applicants?

Nope, it's the rate for instate and OOS applicants... However, don't let the fact that cincy and OSU are state schools fool you - they take as many OOSers as possible. Sometimes as much as 50% - as much as the state will let them. That's why everyone and their mother applies to them, because they're friendly for OOS people.

WSU and NEOUCOM have the lowest acceptance rates because they do the opposite (i.e. they are very unfriendly towards OOSers). Wright State might let 5-8% OOSers come in, while NEOUCOM is like 98% instate.

 

[JJMrK]

IMO, in terms of how much I would want to go there (or not go there):

Case>OSU>>Cincy>>>>>Toledo>>Wright>>>>>DOs

Didn't include the clinic because I would probably never go there.

 

[phospho]

IMO, in terms of how much I would want to go there (or not go there):

Case>OSU>>Cincy>>>>>Toledo>>Wright>>>>>DOs

Didn't include the clinic because I would probably never go there.

LOL, I dropped an acceptance to cincy, Ohio State, and Toledo so I can attend Wright State. I guess it really varies from one person to another.

 

[JJMrK]

LOL, I dropped an acceptance to cincy, Ohio State, and Toledo so I can attend Wright State. I guess it really varies from one person to another.

Definitely.

However, toledo's acceptance rate is about 10% while WSU's is 6%. I would rate them both on the exact same level since each of them attracts a completely different kind of student population.

Can you talk a little bit about this?

 

[phospho]

Can you talk a little bit about this?

Well, about 35% of toledo's incoming class is out of state. Therefore, you'll see a lot more people matching outside of Ohio. On the other hand, WSU attracts the people who are interested in staying here.

You'll see people matching into various specialties from toledo while WSU focuses on primary care. Now, the fact that WSU's students focus on primary care isn't because they're less competitive, but it's because the school is extremely strong in primary care. That's why you may notice that WSU's primary care people usually match into very competitive primary care programs.

Toledo has a big class (about 180 students), while WSU has a very small class size - 100 students.

Wright State is linked to 7 teaching community hospitals, while toledo has its primary teaching hospital - so wright state will give you more of that "community feeling".

I guess it's really hard for me to compare them without sounding biased (and without generalizing), but you'll see what I mean if you interview at both of them. I met two students at WSU who gave up Case acceptances just to attend. I met at least 6 or 7 people like me who gave up Ohio State and Cincy acceptances. You may notice that I focus on the fact that they gave up other schools for WSU because it was probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make. My whole family thought I had gone nuts for not wanting to go to some of the other schools I have been accepted to. It's a very small school where everyone knows everyone, and almost everyone who goes there REALLY wants to go there.

 

[JJMrK]

Well, about 35% of toledo's incoming class is out of state. Therefore, you'll see a lot more people matching outside of Ohio. On the other hand, WSU attracts the people who are interested in staying here.

You'll see people matching into various specialties from toledo while WSU focuses on primary care. Now, the fact that WSU's students focus on primary care isn't because they're less competitive, but it's because the school is extremely strong in primary care. That's why you may notice that WSU's primary care people usually match into very competitive primary care programs.

Toledo has a big class (about 180 students), while WSU has a very small class size - 100 students.

Wright State is linked to 7 teaching community hospitals, while toledo has its primary teaching hospital - so wright state will give you more of that "community feeling".

I guess it's really hard for me to compare them without sounding biased (and without generalizing), but you'll see what I mean if you interview at both of them. I met two students at WSU who gave up Case acceptances just to attend. I met at least 6 or 7 people like me who gave up Ohio State and Cincy acceptances. You may notice that I focus on the fact that they gave up other schools for WSU because it was probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make. My whole family thought I had gone nuts for not wanting to go to some of the other schools I have been accepted to. It's a very small school where everyone knows everyone, and almost everyone who goes there REALLY wants to go there.

Cool, thanks for the info.

 

[Emmie]

Nope, it's the rate for instate and OOS applicants... However, don't let the fact that cincy and OSU are state schools fool you - they take as many OOSers as possible. Sometimes as much as 50% - as much as the state will let them. That's why everyone and their mother applies to them, because they're friendly for OOS people.

WSU and NEOUCOM have the lowest acceptance rates because they do the opposite (i.e. they are very unfriendly towards OOSers). Wright State might let 5-8% OOSers come in, while NEOUCOM is like 98% instate.

So for an mediocre OH resident, he/she'll have a better shot at WSU and NEOUCOM but not Cincy and OSU.

Few months ago I heard that there are 8 med schools (MD) in the state of OH, or did I have Tinnitus for a moment?

 

[Emmie]

Well, about 35% of toledo's incoming class is out of state. Therefore, you'll see a lot more people matching outside of Ohio. On the other hand, WSU attracts the people who are interested in staying here.

You'll see people matching into various specialties from toledo while WSU focuses on primary care. Now, the fact that WSU's students focus on primary care isn't because they're less competitive, but it's because the school is extremely strong in primary care. That's why you may notice that WSU's primary care people usually match into very competitive primary care programs.

Toledo has a big class (about 180 students), while WSU has a very small class size - 100 students.

Wright State is linked to 7 teaching community hospitals, while toledo has its primary teaching hospital - so wright state will give you more of that "community feeling".

I guess it's really hard for me to compare them without sounding biased (and without generalizing), but you'll see what I mean if you interview at both of them. I met two students at WSU who gave up Case acceptances just to attend. I met at least 6 or 7 people like me who gave up Ohio State and Cincy acceptances. You may notice that I focus on the fact that they gave up other schools for WSU because it was probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make. My whole family thought I had gone nuts for not wanting to go to some of the other schools I have been accepted to. It's a very small school where everyone knows everyone, and almost everyone who goes there REALLY wants to go there.

Case is expensive (private school), it's probably explain why some people give it up for a state school.

 

[CCLCMer]

Thanks. I believe there is a medical school within Cleveland Clinic. I found the info from another post a while ago. I also heard some Clevelanders talking about it. But I could be wrong.

No, you're not wrong. The Cleveland Clinic has a medical school program jointly with Case Western. So we are Case students who spend most of our first two years at CCF. After second year, all of the Case students from all three programs (University Program, CCLCM, and MSTP) can rotate and do research at any of the Cleveland hospitals.

Does anyone knows how competitive to get in CCLCM?

I don't know how to answer that question. It's highly competitive, but getting into med school in general is highly competitive. There aren't any American med schools that are having trouble filling their classes. I do think one difference is that CCLCM might care a lot more about fit than some other med schools. Picking the right students for this program is very important to the adcomm because of the group learning and small classes.

Would you say it's better than Case?

No. We ARE part of Case. I think what you're really asking is how to compare CCLCM versus the UP, and you really can't say that either one is "better" than the other. They're different tracks, and which one is "better" is completely subjective depending on what you want in a med school.

Just scan through the website, it's a 5-yrs program, it doesn't mention anything about the avg GPA or the MCAT? Anyone knows?

Our averages are not published separately from the rest of Case. So you should go by whatever averages are published on the main Case med school website.

I don't know CCLCM's numbers. But based on the very small class size and the fact that everyone gets a full ride I'm betting it's very competitive.

We interview about 250 people per year based on around 1400 apps. I don't know if that fits your def of "very competitive", but there are some hard numbers for you.

It looks like all of them are from Ivy league, I bet it is.

Absolutely not true (about all of us being from Ivy League schools). I don't know why people keep saying things like that when it's easy to see for yourself that it's not true. If you look at the class profile (which is for the current second year class), you will find 26 schools represented for the 32 matriculants. Of those 32, one went to Columbia, four went to Cornell, one went to Dartmouth, and one went to Penn, for a grand total of 7. That's less than 1/4 of the class. There are also several people from liberal arts colleges and state schools. So in fact, most of the people in that class did NOT go to Ivy schools. Most of the people in all of the other classes did not go to Ivy schools either.

How to even apply CCLCOM?

As someone already explained, you apply through Case. Case is a nonscreening school. Once you get your secondary, you can check any or all of three boxes for the three Case programs: UP, CCLCM, and/or MSTP. If you choose to apply to CCLCM and/or MSTP, you will be required to fill out some additional essays.

I understand it is just a curiosity thing, but saying which schools are better always seems like a pi$$ing match.

I completely agree. Rating schools by USNWR is stupid, and all of the OH schools are good. Which one you like best is completely a matter of subjective personal preference.

I always seem to hear mixed things about CCLCM. Their curriculum is just so different that you really have to be a particular type of student I suppose.

I agree with this too. CCLCM is not the kind of school that everyone would like, and probably not even most people. That's why fit matters so much here.

For you premeds: if you interview at CCLCM, the adcomm will be evaluating how well they think you would do in this curriculum, and you should be doing the same thing. If this school is not for you, there is no shame in that. I honestly think that a few of my classmates would have been happier if they had gone to more traditional med schools. If any of you have questions about CCLCM, feel free to post them or PM me. I am on gyn right now, so I might not get back to you right away, but I will definitely get back to you.

 

[BlueElmo]

LOL, I dropped an acceptance to cincy, Ohio State, and Toledo so I can attend Wright State. I guess it really varies from one person to another.

Acceptance to Ohio State? Wow, I'm jealous.😀

 

[phospho]

Case is expensive (private school), it's probably explain why some people give it up for a state school.

very true, however, I think out of all the OH schools, Case gives the most scholarships to offset their high tuition.

Few months ago I heard that there are 8 med schools (MD) in the state of OH, or did I have Tinnitus for a moment?

We definitely have only 7, but they are 8 if you want to include the D.O. school.

Acceptance to Ohio State? Wow, I'm jealous.😀

Trust me, in no time at all, you're going to have one just like it 😉

 

[batman1983]

I would say Case is better than OSU... you should check the school selector by LizzyM, the schools seemed to be listed in a most difficult (best?) to least difficult fashion.

While their rankings and stats are similar, I think Case has higher selectivity as a result of being a private institution and thus having OOS and IS applicants. Thus, its selectivity is probably on par with schools like BU, Georgetown, and etc.