Ohio Psych Residency Programs

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I'm interested in staying in the Ohio-Michigan Area for residency. I know a lot about the different Michigan programs, however, I am interested to hear any pros or cons about Ohio Programs. I haven't heard anything about OSU or Cincy...any comments?

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Cincinnati: I worked as an RA in the psychiatry department before medical school, so my info is old. I suspect that the program has some trouble filling because of the location, both Cincinnati itself and the University Hospital being in a somewhat scary part of town. At the time, there were fairly many FMG's (not to say anything about the quality of residents, just that the program had some problems getting US grads). And Cincinnati may technically have fallen on the Union side in the Civil War, but it's in the deep south politically. It's cheap to live in, though, and Clifton, just to the west of UH, was one of my favorite neighborhoods I've ever lived in. The psychiatry department is fairly big and there are several research groups, the two that I know being focused on biological psychiatry and bipolar disorder. If you're interested in underserved and urban, it's a great spot. The hospital has a whole separate psych ER (but in the main hospital) and has one of the top emergency psych programs. If you're thinking about child psych, the Children's Hospital is just across the street from UH and is quite good.

Case Western: I went to med school there but didn't have a lot of contact with the psych department because I did my core clerkship at the Cleveland Clinic. Faculty weren't exactly welcoming pre-clinical students with open arms either. Like Cincinnati, the residency has some problems attracting US grads, for the same reasons (only winter is far, far, worse in Cleveland than Cincinnati). Rumor has it that the director of the child program is making efforts to attract star faculty and build a large research program. I didn't investigate because I really didn't want to stay in Ohio. There's no child inpatient unit on campus, residents go to a local home for these rotations. A new program director has joined since my class went through and I've heard that he is very intense, some love him and some are miserable.

Cleveland Clinic: the department seems to exist so that the hospital has psychiatrists to do C/L. The C/L experience was great- lots of weird cases. However, I've heard that the hospital no longer has an inpatient unit, adult or child. Assuming that the residency still exists, I guess that the residents have to go to other hospitals for inpatient rotations? Also mostly FMG's. Call was rough and I've heard that the medicine rotations are painful, but maybe it's changed since I was there.
 
alina_s said:
Cincinnati: I worked as an RA in the psychiatry department before medical school, so my info is old. I suspect that the program has some trouble filling because of the location, both Cincinnati itself and the University Hospital being in a somewhat scary part of town. At the time, there were fairly many FMG's (not to say anything about the quality of residents, just that the program had some problems getting US grads). And Cincinnati may technically have fallen on the Union side in the Civil War, but it's in the deep south politically. It's cheap to live in, though, and Clifton, just to the west of UH, was one of my favorite neighborhoods I've ever lived in. The psychiatry department is fairly big and there are several research groups, the two that I know being focused on biological psychiatry and bipolar disorder. If you're interested in underserved and urban, it's a great spot. The hospital has a whole separate psych ER (but in the main hospital) and has one of the top emergency psych programs. If you're thinking about child psych, the Children's Hospital is just across the street from UH and is quite good.

Case Western: I went to med school there but didn't have a lot of contact with the psych department because I did my core clerkship at the Cleveland Clinic. Faculty weren't exactly welcoming pre-clinical students with open arms either. Like Cincinnati, the residency has some problems attracting US grads, for the same reasons (only winter is far, far, worse in Cleveland than Cincinnati). Rumor has it that the director of the child program is making efforts to attract star faculty and build a large research program. I didn't investigate because I really didn't want to stay in Ohio. There's no child inpatient unit on campus, residents go to a local home for these rotations. A new program director has joined since my class went through and I've heard that he is very intense, some love him and some are miserable.

Cleveland Clinic: the department seems to exist so that the hospital has psychiatrists to do C/L. The C/L experience was great- lots of weird cases. However, I've heard that the hospital no longer has an inpatient unit, adult or child. Assuming that the residency still exists, I guess that the residents have to go to other hospitals for inpatient rotations? Also mostly FMG's. Call was rough and I've heard that the medicine rotations are painful, but maybe it's changed since I was there.


Hmm the Cleveland programs don't sound so great. No inpatient unit at the Clinic...that doesn't sound good.

Cincy sounds like a good program, although I agree the area around the hospital is bad. How long ago were you an RA in the psych dept at Cincy? Just wondering if much has changed since then.
 
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Dreamin said:
Hmm the Cleveland programs don't sound so great. No inpatient unit at the Clinic...that doesn't sound good.
Can't say much about Cincinnati or CCF. The program at Case Western has been changing quite a bit. The new program director (I think he has been there for 3 years? maybe 2?) came in with a lot of ambition to beef up the program, and all of the residents I came into contact with spoke very highly of him. He goes to bat for them and has (so I have been told) made a lot of changes not just in terms of quality of life for the residents but also in terms of their learning. It's certainly possible that some residents are miserable under him, but I didn't see any of that during my clerkship there last year. The program director has an interesting background -- he started out in emergency medicine, then decided to retrain in anesthesia, and then developed a latex allergy and so retrained in psychiatry. Freely admits that psychiatry wasn't what he started out intending to do, but he loves it. He's an intense interviewer and definitely rocks the hard sell. (I think he also has an MBA?) He also told me that when it comes time to ranking candidates, he calls each person who wrote a letter of recommendation on behalf of someone he is thinking about ranking. Seems to suggest he is serious about evaluating candidates for the residency and has a long term outlook in terms of improving the quality of the program.

EDIT: AFAIK Case/UH does not have a sitting chair for the department. There is currently an interim chair and a search is underway for a permanent chair.

HTH.
Cheers
-AT.
 
I'm a 4th year med student at UC. I think the program is quite good, and I would have seriously considered staying here for residency, except that I'm not from the midwest and wanted to move back south.

As mentioned above, it has a large psych ER, one of the busiest in the nation, and an excellent children's hospital with an inpatient unit, and a VA. They are also very accomodating if you want to do research, and have a formal research track. Paul Keck and Susan McElroy are probably the most well-known of the clinical research faculty. The PD (Warren Liang) is a great guy, and a good advocate. And the psych program is well respected among the rest of the medical center.

I don't think the area around the hospital is insanely bad. I mean, it's not a cush surburban hospital, but it's certainly no worse than most of the other major urban hospitals that I visited during my residency interviews. Plus, the university has been buying up a lot of the low-income housing around the medical center and turning it into swanky condos, so it's getting better.

Yeah, Cinci is very conservative, but there are little liberal enclaves. I live in Clifton, which is a little bohemian neighborhood with a lot of character and within walking distance to the medical center. Northside is another liberal and up-and-coming neighborhood. It's very cheap here - your salary will go a long way.

One caveat about the program: the chair stepped down a few weeks ago. Steve Strakowski, the head of the imaging center, is the iterim chair while they search for a new chair.

They're building a psych hospital out in the burbs, but I don't know a lot of details about it. It's supposed to open in 2008 I think.

Hope this helps. Feel free to PM me with more questions.
 
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