Have you taken a practice CBSE for a score estimate?
It looked like the earliest deadline of applications was 09/01. I think I should have my score back sometime in august hopefully. Willing to apply to as many schools as necessary. My last practice was 71. Still have 2 months until exam so hoping for improvement.
You’ll do great if you can send everything in by then! Just make sure everything is put in order to click submit. Apply everywhere (and I mean that, as much as you can afford). I know people who applied to 40-60 programs because it was worth it to them to match. 70+, solid class rank, and a great application. No way August will be too late to apply!
I agree! I applied to 32 programs but I know some people applied to more...granted I applied in 2019 before COVID. During COVID with virtual interviews...there number of programs applied to drastically went up!
Thank you!
Would be happy at either.
Would you say there is like a CBSE score cut off? like if you score less than X dont even bother applying.
Dependent on many factors. 4 vs 6, intern year vs no intern year, personality and likeability, class rank, your uniqueness as a candidate, your letters, research, and probably most of all the program and PD looking at your application.
75+ for 6-years.
Can confirm that is absolutely not true. I knew plenty this cycle with 64-69 range that got 7-10+ and matched at 6 year programs this cycle.
Again hard to say. It felt like a 50-50 shot for people. A lot of the 4 years took interns and idk what their CBSE score was. I also had a lot of friends with 70’s and 75’s and above who did not match.
would you say that more interns were accepted this cycle than previous cycles compared to straight out of dental school? wondering if maybe it was due to lack of externships this cycle and programs meeting fewer applicants?
i felt like it was 50/50 at almost all programs my friends matched at. i don't think it is attributed to externships. I think it is more attributed to the rise in applicant numbers, and the sheer numbers of interns applying. many interns end up at the programs they interned at.
If you look at the post-match stats from 2020 and then 2021, only 11 more spots were matched by a graduate that wasn't in dental school the year of applying (i.e. internship, GPR, private practice) than the year before. I would've expected that number to be a lot higher with the COVID year, personally. But, for "the year of the intern" that we all talked about on here, it really wasn't.
| Year | Applicants | Applicants matched | match rate | D4s matched | non-D4 matched |
2020 | 438 | 230 | 52.5% | 147 | 83 |
2021 | 493 | 235 | 47.7% | 141 | 94 |
Great chart. Looks like it’s just tough to match in general. I
Agreed.
The number who applied is actually higher than 438, since this number does not count those who applied but did not submit a rank list. I know of some people who received zero interview invites and so didn't even submit a rank list-they are not counted as part of the 438. So, in actuality, the number applying is higher than 438, and the match rate for those applying is lower than 52%.
Personal anecdotes!
The Match categorizes individuals who were not ranked by a single program as "non-acceptable" applicants. With that said, the % of non-acceptable applicants actually increased from 2020 to 2021 (or, % of "acceptable" applicants decreased).
Personal anecdotes are fallacies when conclusions are loosely drawn from personal experience to refute statistical data with a quality sample size; bergus95, however, illustrated the fact that people do get accepted to 6-years with scores lower than 75. Does the data show only people with 75+ match? You made the claim not to even bother applying if you have less than a 75. Where’s your non-anecdotal evidence that people with scores under 75 should refrain from applying?
I want to just be clear, that I think people with sub 70’s should aim to take the exam one more time if they can. You will be screened out by many programs with a sub 65 as well as a 70’s score, both 4 and 6. At the highly desired programs that may be a 75. Even an 80. At the same time, many programs will review your application with a 65-70. I know this firsthand. Many of my peers who matched to 6 year programs this year had a 64-70. They were otherwise stellar applicants.
The question posed was what cutoff should one refrain from applying? Based off your very small sample size, One should absolutely apply with a sub 75 since the majority of OMFS matched applicants have below a 75.
I agree. The OP asked if there is a score below which one should not even bother applying, and you responded directly stating 75+ for 6-years. It’s a clearly implied claim. But yes I agree, 75+ should be the goal, but not a rigid necessity.
what programs sent out numbers? was this real data?
One program sent in its interview offer letter the number of applicants and average CBSE, another mentioned it in some email they sent out. This shouldn’t be hush hush. You can either email the PD or the admin and ask. Most of them will tell you.
ah okay, so pretty limited data set. I had a friend who did urology and every year all the applicants compile this awesome excel spreadsheet of where they matched, their step scores and other stats for future years to have.
I wish we had that. It’s usually a self selecting group that posts.
Put together a solid app, and don’t look back if it’s what you want
