OMFS Programs that only take/Prefer Non-categorical interns?

[Van Der Woude]

Hi guys, so I figured I would start a thread for OMFS programs that are known to prefer Non-categorical interns for their categorical positions. Please add to the list if you have time.

-Temple
-Miami
-Christiana Care (Delaware)

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[Tetris1000]

Brooklyn Hospital Center has a history of accepting interns

-Temple
-Miami
-Christiana Care (Delaware)
-Brooklyn Hospital Center

 

[PointEstimate]

Maryland

 

[Just_Keep_Swimming]

Allegheny

 

[Tetris1000]

Maryland

Allegheny

-Temple
-Miami
-Christiana Care (Delaware)
-Brooklyn Hospital Center
-Maryland
-Allegheny

 

[Tootyfruity]

Most 4 year hospital programs

 

[omfsing]

Parkland - at least when Tiwana was PD

 

[PhansterZ]

There are certain programs that have a track record for taking their own non-cats. This can be especially frustrating to those who apply to 4 year programs, go to the interview and find out that their non-cat has that 1 position pencilled in.


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[Kabek]

There are certain programs that have a track record for taking their own non-cats. This can be especially frustrating to those who apply to 4 year programs, go to the interview and find out that their non-cat has that 1 position pencilled in.


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You mean like UMKC, there 4 year spot interview is actually for a non categorical spot the next year if don't match. What made it even worse was that was one of most expensive places to get to.

 

[avangusva]

Parkland - at least when Tiwana was PD

In the past two years Dr. Schlieve has interviewed three (maybe four?) JPS or Parkland non-cats. I think a good non-cat would be considered strongly.

I think every non-cat has matched (that's 6-7 per year) in the past few years.

 

[amali]

The only places where I've heard that this happens, is when the residency takes about 5 non-cat. interns, and then 1 of the 5 gets accepted categorically next year. From my understanding, It's not as extreme as you make it sound.

There are numerous programs with the typical 1-2 noncats that tend to take their own non-categoricals the following year. PhansterZ is completely correct in that it is very frustrating for applicants to travel across the country for interviews only to realize the program is definitely taking their own intern and the interview was really just a courtesy.

 

[Life of Pablo]

Sorry for bumping an old thread, but I'm curious if anyone knows if any other programs out there that do this. Also, are the ones listed on this thread still accurate?

 

[bruin2013]

Montefiore, WVU, Montefiore, OSU, Brooklyn

 

[SaltyCFTR]

UMKC still does this

 

[deleted913442]

any word on Christiana? I know they've upped the number of residents per PGY from 2 to 3 as of a few years ago.

 

[bruin2013]

-Temple
-Miami
-Christiana Care (Delaware)
-Brooklyn Hospital Center
-Maryland
-Allegheny
-OSU
-Monte
-UMKC
-WVU

 

[deleted913442]

-Temple
-UCSF
-Miami
-Christiana Care (Delaware)
-Brooklyn Hospital Center
-Maryland
-Allegheny
-OSU
-Monte
-UMKC
-WVU

are you just copying and pasting this from above or did you actually do some digging lol

 

[bruin2013]

are you just copying and pasting this from above or did you actually do some digging lol

copying and adding in what someone messaged me.

 

[deleted913442]

This seems like a difficult question to answer because this changes depending on the current program directors and attendings and the quality of non categorical interns every year. I would take these lists with a grain of salt.

I think it’d be sensible to go where you think you would do best as an intern (day to day performance, letters of rec., personal fit.)

Regardless, good luck everyone.

Agreed! I think @Life of Pablo was asking because as an applicant trying to get in, he would rather look at programs that don't have commitments to their interns (like UMKC, where it would be a waste of a lot of money to maybe apply there for the 1 spot reserved for an intern).

 

[Life of Pablo]

This seems like a difficult question to answer because this changes depending on the current program directors and attendings and the quality of non categorical interns every year. I would take these lists with a grain of salt.

I think it’d be sensible to go where you think you would do best as an intern (day to day performance, letters of rec., personal fit.)

Regardless, good luck everyone.

That's why I'm trying to get updates because it's been a few years so things have probably changed. I agree it's good to go where you'd do best, but I also don't want to invest all my time/money externing and applying to programs that have their interns penciled in. I have nothing against these type of programs, I just want to make sure I have a reasonable chance at the programs I'm applying to. This is a long and expensive process, so I'll take any advice I can get especially when the website for most programs doesn't provide much information.

This is no different than when we applied to dental school. Certain schools value certain things. If you don't have the "thing" that the school values, there's not point in applying there.

 

[Life of Pablo]

Doesn’t it seems somewhat suspicious when a program is not transparent about these things?

It's in their best interest not to be. How many people would show up to the interview if they knew, in all likelihood, the intern was going to get the spot.

 

[bruin2013]

Are we sure that UMKC does this, or is this just a preference?

 

[wedelstaedt]

Considering the decrease in experience in dental school and externships does anyone else think programs may be more inclined to take on their interns this year. Why spend extra time and effort when your intern can easily transition into PGY1

 

[deleted913442]

Considering the decrease in experience in dental school and externships does anyone else think programs may be more inclined to take on their interns this year. Why spend extra time and effort when your intern can easily transition into PGY1

Nah I really don't agree with this. 2-3 less months in clinic drilling and filling doesn't really correlate to residency success. You could argue that the interns are also less experienced because they're in the hospitals helping out COVID and doing less OMFS stuff.

 

[Life of Pablo]

Considering the decrease in experience in dental school and externships does anyone else think programs may be more inclined to take on their interns this year. Why spend extra time and effort when your intern can easily transition into PGY1

I mean if this was true, wouldn't it apply regardless of the pandemic? Since it doesn't, there has to be more to the equation than just the experience you've received.

 

[BYU4you]

I think it would be easier to figure out which programs DONT take their interns. I think most programs would take their non-cat if they like what they see and if they boost their scores if necessary. If they like them why not take them versus risking it on someone they don't know?

 

[Arthur Jeffries]

Montefiore, WVU, Montefiore, OSU, Brooklyn

almost positive OSU has no specific preference