OMG Video Secondary????

[21Rush12]

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LOL oh my God the thought of being presented with a question and then immediately having to answer it on camera is giving me palpitations.

Do you have OSCE/standardized patient encounters at your school? Ours are video recorded and we have to watch ourselves and critique afterward. It's horrid.


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[eljefemdfuturo]

How are people already getting secondaries?? WTF I haven't even submitted my primary yet

These emails aren't secondary invites, they're just confirming that they've received the primary and are giving us info regarding the secondaries (should we be invited to do them)

 

[bananafish94]

Everybody's forgetting the worst part about the EM "standardized interview." It's not even watched by the programs you're applying to; it's scored by a third-party source. Oh my god, who thought this was a good idea?

AAMC Standardized Video Interview

 

[hungrybox]

Sounds terrible

 

[bananafish94]

That was my thought as well. I'm the least photogenic person I have ever met, and I have an, uh, distinctive voice. Having to submit a video secondary would probably tank my app.

Edit: apparently this was a reference to some thread that I missed...but still. Unconscious bias to favor attractive people is definitely real!

Do you have OSCE/standardized patient encounters at your school? Ours are video recorded and we have to watch ourselves and critique afterward. It's horrid.

Those videotaped standardized patient encounters taught me things about my voice that I didn't know and didn't want to know.

 

[Lannister]

Do you have OSCE/standardized patient encounters at your school? Ours are video recorded and we have to watch ourselves and critique afterward. It's horrid.


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Ours are recorded too but we don't get to watch them! That sounds pretty bad but I also feel like it would be helpful.

 

[Tenk]

Wow I should totally make a business out of this with my video editing skills and knowledge of medicine...

 

[P0ke]

If you choose to dress up your top half only, and do the video interview in your underwear, make sure you don't stand up at all, and make sure there are no mirrors behind you.

 

[Pusheen]

If you choose to dress up your top half only, and do the video interview in your underwear, make sure you don't stand up at all, and make sure there are no mirrors behind you.

See, I would totally do this. With my bottom half still in bed

 

[Kr#36]

I am really curious about the parameters on which they will base a decision to invite to an interview. Granted the answer to each question must be direct, concise, appropriate etc., but could other factors like appearance, attractiveness, likability etc. of the applicant also play an unspoken role in the determination to extend an invite?

Do those factors that you list not play a role in the patients' experience with their physician? I am not saying they do or do not, but I know where my money would go if I were a betting man.

 

[CyrilFiggis]

Adaptation is key. There will never be an ideal approach to the application process. Some people love CASPer some hate it. Some people say, "I'm terrible at essays and selling myself, if only I could get an interview I could show them what a good applicant I am." Then there are the 4.0 GPA, 520+ MCAT applicant that gets rejected post-interview because they have the personality of a raw potato. Honestly, you just have to take it in stride. Hell, when I applied to undergrad, we were still mailing applications and the Common App was barely accepted.

 

[SpoiledMilk]

Do those factors that you list not play a role in the patients' experience with their physician? I am not saying they do or do not, but I know where my money would go if I were a betting man.

I can't really say whether they do or not, but based on my 10+ years experience as a volunteer pre-med in a major urban ED observing physicians' interactions with a variety of patients, I have not witnessed a scene where the patient in need of medical treatment has refused treatment because the doctor had a huge boil on his/her face or had a hairy mole or is balding with an extreme comb over, etc. However, I have been privy to patients with different religious beliefs requesting that the treating doctors and nurses be of the same gender. The professionalism of the physicians and nursing staff have granted these requests without any objection.

Other than that, while it is possible and plausible, I have never witnessed it.

 

[Kr#36]

I can't really say whether they do or not, but based on my 10+ years experience as a volunteer pre-med in a major urban ED observing physicians' interactions with a variety of patients, I have not witnessed a scene where the patient in need of medical treatment has refused treatment because the doctor had a huge boil on his/her face or had a hairy mole or is balding with an extreme comb over, etc. However, I have been privy to patients with different religious beliefs requesting that the treating doctors and nurses be of the same gender. The professionalism of the physicians and nursing staff have granted these requests without any objection.

Other than that, while it is possible and plausible, I have never witnessed it.

Agreed I've never witnessed anything like that either. However, there are studies that show that good looking people are more trustworthy/are favored in certain scenarios. If you are a John Stamos look-alike out there applying, its plausible that you could garner some sub-conscious favoritism from an evaluator.

 

[SpoiledMilk]

Agreed I've never witnessed anything like that either. However, there are studies that show that good looking people are more trustworthy/are favored in certain scenarios. If you are a John Stamos look-alike out there applying, its plausible that you could garner some sub-conscious favoritism from an evaluator.

Although I am aware of those studies also, I don't need them to validate those findings. I have been in non medical professional workplaces where "beauty" overtly and covertly trumps productivity and reliability. Such is life....

 

[The ED is for Me]

Has anyone done the video secondary yet? Want to provide some insight as to what the 3 questions are? Pretty please

 

[Dr. Stalker]

You would prefer just MCAT and gpa?!
That's basically all we get in the primary (along with an over-sanitized PS...)

I'd prefer if a school only granted a secondary to students that are invited for an interview; it would help applicants save some $$

 

[gyngyn]

I'd prefer if a school only granted a secondary to students that are invited for an interview; it would help applicants save some $$

The secondary fee is the only thing that keeps applicants from applying everywhere!

I'd happily send out secondaries for free if there were a limit on the total number of secondaries allowed.
Something like all IS publics plus 10, would be fine.

 

[Dr. Stalker]

The secondary fee is the only thing that keeps applicants from applying everywhere!

I'd happily send out secondaries for free if there were a limit on the total number of secondaries allowed.
Something like all IS publics plus 10, would be fine.

That's kind of what I meant. If 7k students apply to a school that interviews, say, 700 students, based on PS, AMCAS, MCAT+GPA, 700 students are chosen to receive secondaries and concurrently invited for interview. This way only those 700 have to pay for the secondary because it counts for him/her.

 

[BlueCircle]

I guess I'm in the minority but this actually sounds pretty cool. I'm hoping one of the schools I applied to gives me a video secondary.

 

[P0ke]

I remember one of the med schools that talked at my undergrad said something to the effect of "some of the more ethical medical schools only send out secondaries to qualified individuals. Unfortunately, our school doesn't and we send our $100 secondary to nearly everyone".

The secondary fee is the only thing that keeps applicants from applying everywhere!

I'd happily send out secondaries for free if there were a limit on the total number of secondaries allowed.
Something like all IS publics plus 10, would be fine.