On fellowships and OMFS

[fightingspirit]

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how long is a fellowship? is it paid? why do some OMFS peeps go to fellowships after completing their residency?

thanks..

 

[OMFSdoc]

how long is a fellowship? is it paid? why do some OMFS peeps go to fellowships after completing their residency?

thanks..

Generally 1 year. Paid ~50-60k/yr. More specific training in one area of OMFS (i.e. Cancer, Craniofacial or Plastics). These areas usually don't get too much exposure in most programs.

 

[Stanford Fencer]

actually most fellowships i've read about pay less than that. a fellow is paid less than the residents.

i know it makes no sense.

i think currently, 1 cosmetic and 2 oncology fellowships are recognized/accredited by aaoms. nevertheless, there are certainly more fellowship programs.

i wonder if there are any OMFS who went into fellowships over on the medical side.

 

[Yah-E]

actually most fellowships i've read about pay less than that. a fellow is paid less than the residents.

Stanford Fencer is right on this one. Every OMFS fellowship stipend is much lower than $40K/year. The ones I've seen are around $26K/year for 1-year Facial Comestic fellowships.

i think currently, 1 cosmetic and 2 oncology fellowships are recognized/accredited by aaoms.

There are more than that. I've obtain a list of AAOMS recognized fellowship residency spots a couple of years ago, there are definitely more than what you have listed above, not much more, but more. You know how I like to plan ahead as always! 😉

i wonder if there are any OMFS who went into fellowships over on the medical side.

I've heard and met graduated OMFSs (who completed OMFS residencies and not jumped ships) who went onto full-blown Otorhinolaryngology or Plastics Reconstructive or American College of Surgeons (ACS) recognized Facial Plastics residencies/fellowships. So there are definitely OMFSs who went on medical fellowships.

 

[Yah-E]

why do some OMFS peeps go to fellowships after completing their residency?

To sub-specialize and/or receive more intense training in certain scope of practice.

OR

To avoid making money

OR

To accrue more debt

 

[Bitters]

You guys realize that if you do one of the aaoms recognized fellowships you're obligated to 5 yrs in academics.

 

[Yah-E]

You guys realize that if you do one of the aaoms recognized fellowships you're obligated to 5 yrs in academics.

WHAT? !

 

[TiggerJSA]

You guys realize that if you do one of the aaoms recognized fellowships you're obligated to 5 yrs in academics.

Is that really true????? 😱

 

[Yah-E]

You guys realize that if you do one of the aaoms recognized fellowships you're obligated to 5 yrs in academics.

I don't believe this is true. Please provide more solid evidence.

Although....everyone that I know who's complete a 1-year Facial Comestics Fellowship after OMFS are all program directors and faculty members. This is very interesting.

Please do share where and how you got this info. Very curious.

 

[toofache32]

You guys realize that if you do one of the aaoms recognized fellowships you're obligated to 5 yrs in academics.

I think you're thinking of the OMSF-sponsored fellowships which require 2-3 years in academics or you have to pay back the $40G they give you during fellowship.

http://www.omsfoundation.org/about/research.html

 

[Yah-E]

I think you're thinking of the OMSF-sponsored fellowships which require 2-3 years in academics or you have to pay back the $40G they give you during fellowship.

This makes more sense.

 

[Bitters]

Sorry not exactly correct in the above statement but the requirements are located at the following link.

Its on page 4

2 yrs full time
5 part time
loan

 

[Bitters]

Sorry not exactly correct in the above statement but the requirements are located at the following link.

Its on page 4

2 yrs full time
5 part time
loan

http://www.omsfoundation.org/pdf/clincal_fellowship_guidelines.pdf#search='aaoms%20fellowship'

 

[Bitters]

http://www.aaoms.org/members/pdf/marapr03Today.pdf#search='aaoms%20fellowship'

This one is from the aaoms newsletter in 2003, state that it is three year. Cant imagine its changed

 

[Yah-E]

OMSF and regular AAOMS fellowships are two complete different things!

If a fellowship possition is sponsored by OMSF, then yes, you must pay back some dues.

 

[Bitters]

I just posted a link that said the same thing about aaoms

 

[Yah-E]

I just posted a link that said the same thing about aaoms

That's was an AAOMS publication, AAOMS TODAY, talking about OMSF sponsored fellowships.

Commission of Dental Accreditation (CODA) fellowships recognized by AAOMS not necessarily is part of the OMSF sponsored fellowships. Dude, to be honest, I don't even know for sure and I'm not going to worry about this! I have graduation requirements to worry about yet and USMLE Step 1 next!

Thanks for the info though.

 

[Bitters]

Stop posting on the residency forum until you actually are one. Im fully aware of coda.

 

[Yah-E]

that is nasty!

 

[GatorDMD]

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[flat4]

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Wow. Now she's gonna need one of these:

Good to know you toof.

 

[Doggie]

Wow. Now she's gonna need one of these:

Good to know you toof.

What's does she need? A golden shower?

 

[fightingspirit]

thanks guys....now from your posts, it seems that if an OMFS wishes to pursue further training in plastics or oncosurgery and is not interested in academics, then he/she is better off shooting for an allopathic-medicine-sponsored fellowship. but does that not mean that he/she would be competing against the meds? in this case, is it reasonable to assume that 4-yr OMFS peeps would be less competitive than their dual degree counterparts? is there a 4-yr OMFS grad on SDN who is pursuing a fellowship? why is there a fellowship in plastics when there is already a plastic surgery residency program for the meds?

thanks in advance for making this thread informative..... 🙂

 

[scalpel2008]

Technically, the "plastics" fellowship for OMS is cosmetic surgery. These general/facial cosmetic surgery fellowships are under the guidelines of the American Academy of Cosmetic Surgery. In addition, ENT, Ophthalmology, Derm, Gen Surg and even Ob/Gyn aply for the same fellowships. As an OMS, you need an MD to be eligible for these. OMS cannot pursue a Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery fellowship unless one gets certified in PRS which requires about 2-3 years of residency (not fellowship) after OMS.

 

[toofache32]

What's does she need? A golden shower?

Sick bastard.

 

[GatorDMD]

Sick bastard.

all you cats are sick!

 

[mygradessuck]

the fellowship at our program is different... it goes to a fresh grad. from the school every year and you are basically faculty in the undergrad clinic.

 

[fightingspirit]

the fellowship at our program is different... it goes to a fresh grad. from the school every year and you are basically faculty in the undergrad clinic.

thanks.....this is one of the few posts in this thread tht addressed the main issue of it. 👍

 

[scalpel2008]

the fellowship at our program is different... it goes to a fresh grad. from the school every year and you are basically faculty in the undergrad clinic.

actually that is not the OMS fellowship the original question is describing. what you are talking about, although often called a "fellowship", is more of a transitional year, which a recent grad sometimes does before getting into residency. A fellowship, in the true sense of the word, is post-residency training for super-specializing, whether it is cosmetics, oncology, trauma, TMJ, craniofacial etc for OMS.

 

[toofache32]

the fellowship at our program is different... it goes to a fresh grad. from the school every year and you are basically faculty in the undergrad clinic.

Where are you?

 

[Bitters]

we like to refer to them as red shirts

 

[esclavo]

Where are you?

my guess is Michigan or Nebraska....that fellowship he's talking about isn't anything more than hanging out in the undergrad Oral Surgery clinic for a year. No rounds, no real OR experience, no facial trauma call, no pimpin... not like a true internship in OMFS.... 👎 some interships at some institutions are like this tooo... nice life style, but not good for getting into programs to do a residency because your not really much farther down the road than a dental student

 

[mygradessuck]

my guess is Michigan or Nebraska....that fellowship he's talking about isn't anything more than hanging out in the undergrad Oral Surgery clinic for a year. No rounds, no real OR experience, no facial trauma call, no pimpin... not like a true internship in OMFS.... 👎 some interships at some institutions are like this tooo... nice life style, but not good for getting into programs to do a residency because your not really much farther down the road than a dental student

Close... KC. And you hit the nail on the head... nice life style... but no real experience... no sedations... no impacted thirds... just all stuff the 3rd years **** up and you have to go digging after.