Opening in Chicago suburbs

[buddy 2004]

Opening for interventional pain physician in the Chicago suburbs for large multispecialty group including primary care, ortho spine, most other medical specialties. Epic EMR, office based fluoro suite and also ASC, shareholder track. Other pain doctors in the group doing about 9-10k RVU. Mix of managed care, private, no public aid.

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[Status Sciaticus]

Opening for interventional pain physician in the Chicago suburbs for large multispecialty group including primary care, ortho spine, most other medical specialties. Epic EMR, office based fluoro suite and also ASC, shareholder track. Other pain doctors in the group doing about 9-10k RVU. Mix of managed care, private, no public aid.

PM for details and contact information for the (in-house) physician recruitment specialist.

Can you list the comps, $$/RVU, etc...?

 

[buddy 2004]

Can you list the comps, $$/RVU, etc...?

I do not know details about comparison rates in other practices, you would have to reach out to them.

Please contact me via private message directly with your name and email/phone to discuss more firm numbers if you are interested. I don't want to put very specific information online here (ranges from 40s-60s). Of course, if you are just after the highest RVU rate you will do better hospital employed, in the south, or rural areas, but I want to appeal to other physicians who have more interest in other factors such as living in a large metropolitan area.

 

[Status Sciaticus]

I do not know details about comparison rates in other practices, you would have to reach out to them.

Please contact me via private message directly with your name and email/phone to discuss more firm numbers if you are interested. I don't want to put very specific information online here (ranges from 40s-60s). Of course, if you are just after the highest RVU rate you will do better hospital employed, in the south, or rural areas, but I want to appeal to other physicians who have more interest in other factors such as living in a large metropolitan area.

Yep, interested in living in a larger metro area, just not for 400-600k.

 

[PMROralBoards]

Yep, interested in living in a larger metro area, just not for 400-600k.

I think he might actually mean wrvu between 40s and 60s…. Yikes

 

[BobBarker]

He probably does mean that. BCBS Illinois pays great, pays fantastic actually. It pays about twice as much as a traditional Medicare case for me. All of mine have been UPS employees.

 

[Status Sciaticus]

I think he might actually mean wrvu between 40s and 60s…. Yikes

He probably does mean that. BCBS Illinois pays great, pays fantastic actually. It pays about twice as much as a traditional Medicare case for me. All of mine have been UPS employees.

whether its 400-600k salary or 40-60/rvu, both numbers are trash.

 

[BobBarker]

It is hard to quantify in a hard, grinding environment like we have in OK. We get like $150 for a unilateral SI joint injection but you could do two of them in my office vs at the hopd.

 

[BobBarker]

Private practice owners are reluctant to step out on big salaries as we have our fellow physicians crying about seeing 10 patients a day in other forums like the physician community Facebook and mostly getting positive feedback from their physician peers that the “system” is at fault and not that they are failing themselves, their potential patients, and their employers.

 

[BoardingDoc]

Private practice owners are reluctant to step out on big salaries as we have our fellow physicians crying about seeing 10 patients a day in other forums like the physician community Facebook and mostly getting positive feedback from their physician peers that the “system” is at fault and not that they are failing themselves, their potential patients, and their employers.

I'm not active on FB but are there really a plurality of pain docs who expect to see 10 patients a day?

I'm curious what actual expectations are. Personally, I'd want to be as busy as possible. 1: because I'd be bored AF if not and 2: because that's what I did in EM prior to pain in a purely productivity based comp model. If I'm not keep what I kill, I'm not interested.

 

[BobBarker]

It was someone either in sports med or pain.

 

[IYKYK]

whether its 400-600k salary or 40-60/rvu, both numbers are trash.

What salary are you looking for in a large metro area? This seems pretty on par with PP I've seen.

 

[Status Sciaticus]

70-75/RVU.
10,000-12,000 RVUs per year.
ASC ownership offered if non-HOPD setting

 

[Ronin1]

70-75/RVU.
10,000-12,000 RVUs per year.
ASC ownership offered if non-HOPD setting

Maybe at your established peak. Don’t think anyone is going to guarantee those numbers to start in any desirable location

 

[IYKYK]

70-75/RVU.
10,000-12,000 RVUs per year.
ASC ownership offered if non-HOPD setting

Where have you seen this? I haven't seen 70-75/RVU anywhere. ASC ownership is a given for me too but noone can guarantee 10,000-12,000 RVU/yr. Thats up to you

 

[Status Sciaticus]

Maybe at your established peak. Don’t think anyone is going to guarantee those numbers to start in any desirable location

Where have you seen this? I haven't seen 70-75/RVU anywhere. ASC ownership is a given for me too but noone can guarantee 10,000-12,000 RVU/yr. Thats up to you

I just ask what the median or average number of RVUs being generated by the pain docs are in their practice. I’m not asking them to guarantee 12k RVUs, just some proof that there is that level of volume to work with, even if it is a few years out.

I do require that the new patients are distributed evenly so that you’re not working harder than the other docs to get non-requested referrals.

3/8 places I interviewed with had that RVU number.

 

[Ronin1]

I just ask what the median or average number of RVUs being generated by the pain docs are in their practice. I’m not asking them to guarantee 12k RVUs, just some proof that there is that level of volume to work with, even if it is a few years out.

I do require that the new patients are distributed evenly so that you’re not working harder than the other docs to get non-requested referrals.

3/8 places I interviewed with had that RVU number.

So I’ve been between 10500-11000 wrvus annually for the last 3 years at a HOPD job. It works out to 72/wrvu if you add in all the metrics etc.

However our latest guy is approaching the 2 year mark and is only about 7500/annual at this point. So he comes off his guarantee and needs to continue to get busier to hit bonus targets.

He probably sees 8-10x the number of new patients I see on average.

 

[powermd]

I just ran the numbers. My OB PP averaged about $81/wrvu last year. I have a significant amount of cash pay, so that brings up the average. I could grow to 2x what I am now in terms of volume. I saw only 414 new patients in the last 12 mos.

 

[IYKYK]

I just ask what the median or average number of RVUs being generated by the pain docs are in their practice. I’m not asking them to guarantee 12k RVUs, just some proof that there is that level of volume to work with, even if it is a few years out.

I do require that the new patients are distributed evenly so that you’re not working harder than the other docs to get non-requested referrals.

3/8 places I interviewed with had that RVU number.

Wow I've been interviewing at the wrong places. What location were these in?

I just ran the numbers. My OB PP averaged about $81/wrvu last year. I have a significant amount of cash pay, so that brings up the average. I could grow to 2x what I am now in terms of volume. I saw only 414 new patients in the last 12 mos.

What is OB PP?

 

[cowboydoc]

Wow I've been interviewing at the wrong places. What location were these in?


What is OB PP?

Office based private practice.

 

[buddy 2004]

Thanks for all the engagement on my post. Yes, it is difficult to compete based on salary alone, and for the anesthesiologists it is even harder to compare. I am just trying to help out anyone who is looking for a decent opportunity in a more metropolitan area. If you can live on $500k per year working M-F, 8-5, this may be appealing. Can live in the suburbs to raise a family or live in the city and reverse commute.

I didn't think I would have to elaborate in detail, but here we are. I asked chat-gpt to help:

Professional Advantages:​

1. Professional Growth Opportunities: Access to world-renowned hospitals, academic institutions, and networking with top professionals in the medical field.
2. Diverse Patient Population: Exposure to a wide variety of cases and conditions due to the diverse and urban patient population, enhancing clinical skills.
3. Collaboration: Opportunity to work in a multi-specialty group, encouraging teamwork and coordinated care.
4. Continuing Education: Proximity to conferences, seminars, and CME opportunities offered in Chicago.

Lifestyle Benefits:​

1. Urban Amenities: Access to cultural attractions, restaurants, entertainment, and shopping in Chicago.
2. Family-Friendly Suburbs: Excellent school districts, safe neighborhoods, and family-oriented communities.
3. Travel Hub: Chicago’s central location and major airports make it convenient for travel.

Work-Life Balance:​

1. Predictable Schedule: Highlight flexibility in scheduling, shorter commutes within the suburbs, or limited on-call hours compared to rural settings.
2. Spousal Employment Opportunities: More career opportunities for spouses or partners in a large metro area.