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i know nbme 4 and 6 both had questions asking about eye disorders and seeing how FA and goljan don't really mention them, what are some of the major symptoms that are common to each of the ear problems (cataracts + macular degeneration + glaucoma)?

i think glaucoma presents with loss of peripheral vision?
 
i know nbme 4 and 6 both had questions asking about eye disorders and seeing how FA and goljan don't really mention them, what are some of the major symptoms that are common to each of the ear problems (cataracts + macular degeneration + glaucoma)?

i think glaucoma presents with loss of peripheral vision?

EXCELLENT question. Consider these freebies on boards so please do not mess these up! I'm going to try to explain this UW style and throw in some pics/diagrams since ophtho is very visual (ha!)...

Cataracts - there are actually several types of cataracts but for boards purposes know that the decrease in vision or blurring is GRADUAL (months to years) and often associated with AGE. So the vignette may say "70 yr old p/w gradual visual BLURRING and GLARE over the past several years. Glasses does not help. Funduscopic exam is difficult due to a blurry view of the retina." Clearly, the blurry view is due to the OPACIFIED cataract obstructing your view when you look into the eye.

Short story: GRADUAL BLURRINESS, GLARE, AGE, AND OPACIFICATION OF LENS.

Macular degeneration - there are 2 types but for boards purposes know that it is generally a disease of the elderly (> 50), visual loss can be gradual or sudden BUT the patient experiences DISTORTION OF STRAIGHT LINES/EDGES and often has a CENTRAL BLIND SPOT. On funduscopic exam you see MACULAR DRUSEN. Here's what macular drusen looks like:

http://www.macula.org/images/retina_drusen.jpg

Short story: AGE, DISTORTION OF STRAIGHT LINES/EDGES, CENTRAL BLIND SPOT and perhaps a picture of MACULAR DRUSEN.


Glaucoma - there are several types. Two are most important for boards purposes. The most common type is POAG (Primary OPEN-Angle Glaucoma) and is associated with ELEVATED EYE PRESSURE (normal is around 10-20mm Hg so elevated is anything > 22mm Hg!) and most common in AFRICAN AMERICANS. Visual loss is once again GRADUAL but there is LOSS OF PERIPHERAL VISION -- which is demonstrated by visual field test (with a machine called the Humphrey, not the wiggle your fingers in a bowl crap you learned in med school). Here's an example of a right eye with a superior arcuate defect on visual field testing most likely due to POAG:

http://smtp1.jobsoned.com/emailimages/op/0806_ogs/case_3a.gif

Here's an EXCELLENT pic with description of the increased "cup to disc" ratio that you see in glaucoma:

http://www.revoptom.com/osc/3146/Analysis.jpg

Short story: AFRICAN AMERICAN, ELEVATED EYE PRESSURE (painless), GRADUAL LOSS OF PERIPHERAL VISION AND INCREASED CUP TO DISC RATIO.


The 2nd type of glaucoma is an ophthalmic emergency, hence why they always ask it on Step 1, 2 and 3! In Acute angle-CLOSURE glaucoma the patient p/w UNILATERAL PAIN, MARKEDLY ELEVATED EYE PRESSURES (> 40mm Hg...I've even seen a pt with an eye pressure of > 70mm Hg! Ouch!), BLURRED VISION, REDNESS, HEADACHE AND NAUSEA AND VOMITING! If you don't remember anything else I said up to this point, please remember this type of glaucoma as it is likely to show up on your exam and you may see it in practice. Time is of the essense in this scenario! (similar to an MI). Early intervention is critical b/c at eye pressures that high (> 40mm Hg) the pt's optic nerve fibers are taking a beating and dying quick! And once they lose their vision, it's gone forever. Not good guys. Here's a schematic that describes the concept of "angle-closure":

http://www.merckfrosst.ca/images/en/patients/diseases/glaucoma/glauc_closed.jpg

Short story: UNILATERAL PAIN, BLURRED VISION, MARKEDLY ELEVATED EYE PRESSURES (> 40mm Hg), REDNESS, HEADACHE, NAUSEA AND VOMITING. A true ophthalmic emergency! Otherwise, don't wake me up when I'm on-call. j/k!

Hope that clears things up a bit. G'luck on Step 1 guys.
 
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EXCELLENT question. Consider these freebies on boards so please do not mess these up! I'm going to try to explain this UW style and throw in some pics/diagrams since ophtho is very visual (ha!)...

Cataracts - there are actually several types of cataracts but for boards purposes know that the decrease in vision or blurring is GRADUAL (months to years) and often associated with AGE. So the vignette may say "70 yr old p/w gradual visual BLURRING and GLARE over the past several years. Glasses does not help. Funduscopic exam is difficult due to a blurry view of the retina." Clearly, the blurry view is due to the OPACIFIED cataract obstructing your view when you look into the eye.

Short story: GRADUAL BLURRINESS, GLARE, AGE, AND OPACIFICATION OF LENS.

Macular degeneration - there are 2 types but for boards purposes know that it is generally a disease of the elderly (> 50), visual loss can be gradual or sudden BUT the patient experiences DISTORTION OF STRAIGHT LINES/EDGES and often has a CENTRAL BLIND SPOT. On funduscopic exam you see MACULAR DRUSEN. Here's what macular drusen looks like:

http://www.macula.org/images/retina_drusen.jpg

Short story: AGE, DISTORTION OF STRAIGHT LINES/EDGES, CENTRAL BLIND SPOT and perhaps a picture of MACULAR DRUSEN.


Glaucoma - there are several types. Two are most important for boards purposes. The most common type is POAG (Primary OPEN-Angle Glaucoma) and is associated with ELEVATED EYE PRESSURE (normal is around 10-20mm Hg so elevated is anything > 22mm Hg!) and most common in AFRICAN AMERICANS. Visual loss is once again GRADUAL but there is LOSS OF PERIPHERAL VISION -- which is demonstrated by visual field test (with a machine called the Humphrey, not the wiggle your fingers in a bowl crap you learned in med school). Here's an example of a right eye with a superior arcuate defect on visual field testing most likely due to POAG:

http://smtp1.jobsoned.com/emailimages/op/0806_ogs/case_3a.gif

Here's an EXCELLENT pic with description of the increased "cup to disc" ratio that you see in glaucoma:

http://www.revoptom.com/osc/3146/Analysis.jpg

Short story: AFRICAN AMERICAN, ELEVATED EYE PRESSURE (painless), GRADUAL LOSS OF PERIPHERAL VISION AND INCREASED CUP TO DISC RATIO.


The 2nd type of glaucoma is an ophthalmic emergency, hence why they always ask it on Step 1, 2 and 3! In Acute angle-CLOSURE glaucoma the patient p/w UNILATERAL PAIN, MARKEDLY ELEVATED EYE PRESSURES (> 40mm Hg...I've even seen a pt with an eye pressure of > 70mm Hg! Ouch!), BLURRED VISION, REDNESS, HEADACHE AND NAUSEA AND VOMITING! If you don't remember anything else I said up to this point, please remember this type of glaucoma as it is likely to show up on your exam and you may see it in practice. Time is of the essense in this scenario! (similar to an MI). Early intervention is critical b/c at eye pressures that high (> 40mm Hg) the pt's optic nerve fibers are taking a beating and dying quick! And once they lose their vision, it's gone forever. Not good guys. Here's a schematic that describes the concept of "angle-closure":

http://www.merckfrosst.ca/images/en/patients/diseases/glaucoma/glauc_closed.jpg

Short story: UNILATERAL PAIN, BLURRED VISION, MARKEDLY ELEVATED EYE PRESSURES (> 40mm Hg), REDNESS, HEADACHE, NAUSEA AND VOMITING. A true ophthalmic emergency! Otherwise, don't wake me up when I'm on-call. j/k!

Hope that clears things up a bit. G'luck on Step 1 guys.

thanks a bunch!!
 
doctorsaib...

Seems like I remember hearing/being taught/imagining that one of the earliest presenting symptoms or complaints in many cases of macular degeneration is difficulty in recognizing faces. Is that true? It would make sense that your brain can fill in environments much easier than a face, and if this is true it seems like something right up the USMLE alley for a patient presentation... "68 year old male comes to your office complaining of difficulty recognizing faces with no other visual complaints..."
 
doctorsaib...

Seems like I remember hearing/being taught/imagining that one of the earliest presenting symptoms or complaints in many cases of macular degeneration is difficulty in recognizing faces. Is that true? It would make sense that your brain can fill in environments much easier than a face, and if this is true it seems like something right up the USMLE alley for a patient presentation... "68 year old male comes to your office complaining of difficulty recognizing faces with no other visual complaints..."

Very true.

The difficulty making out peoples faces is due to the CENTRAL BLIND SPOT!

Why central? B/c when you're looking directly at something, you're using your macula/fovea to help you see it. That is the area of the retina that helps you see the sharpest.

With maculopathies, there is a progressive loss of macular function, so when you look at something directly (i.e. peoples faces) the image is distorted and as the dz progresses you develop a central blind spot. Sucks real bad. Don't get old (and stop smoking!).
 
Yeah, my grandpa had macular degeneration. Very strange disease. I remember him noticing a grape tomato fall out of the refrigerator and roll under the edge of the cabinet when the lights were very dim... caught it out of the corner of his eye. None of the rest of us in the room saw it and had a hard time even finding it on the floor in the dim light. On another occasion, he called my parents thinking someone had stolen the car out of the garage. He opened the garage door, and I guess the glare of the sunlight coming in was enough to keep him from being able to see it - a full ten feet in front of him.
 
DOCTORSAIB, wanted to say thanks for this post, I got a question on my exam about an eye problem, and your post helped me answer it. I wouldn't have remembered from class, so thanks!
 
DOCTORSAIB, wanted to say thanks for this post, I got a question on my exam about an eye problem, and your post helped me answer it. I wouldn't have remembered from class, so thanks!

DOCTORSAIB, I'll take a look at your long post another time, just to make sure everything is accurate....:laugh:
 
Had a question on the exam with guy having trouble with glare (oncoming traffic light) and fluctuating lights at night + 70 yrs old --

I was btw cataracts and macular degeneration - what is it? seriously both have sensitivity to glare 😕
 
DOCTORSAIB, wanted to say thanks for this post, I got a question on my exam about an eye problem, and your post helped me answer it. I wouldn't have remembered from class, so thanks!

Excellent! Glad you nailed the question. You never know, could be the one question that puts you into the next score range (249 vs 250).

DOCTORSAIB, I'll take a look at your long post another time, just to make sure everything is accurate....:laugh:

If there's anyone I don't mind correcting me it's you bro. Just don't get too koon waz (inside joke).

Thank you sooo much Doctorsaib. It was very helpful 🙂

You're very welcome..🙂

Had a question on the exam with guy having trouble with glare (oncoming traffic light) and fluctuating lights at night + 70 yrs old --

I was btw cataracts and macular degeneration - what is it? seriously both have sensitivity to glare 😕

I would have picked cataracts with that one. Thats an easy one man. Come on! haha. j/k.

If they wanted you to pick MD, they would have put DISTORTION OF STRAIGHT LINES or CENTRAL BLIND SPOT. Trust me, these questions aren't that difficult. You just have to know what to look for -- i.e more buzzword-oriented.
 
forgot to mention this earlier, but this post got me a question on step 1. i would have missed it otherwise, guaranteed. thanks dr. saib!! i owe you the value of at least one point (what's this worth, maybe a ham sandwich?)
 
I wish I'd seen this post before my exam--it might've given me something to go off. My test had an ophtho question too but it was image-based and there weren't any keywords in the question stem. And I'd even done Goljan's eye chapter in the RoP qbook. :-(
 
Excellent! Glad you nailed the question. You never know, could be the one question that puts you into the next score range (249 vs 250).



If there's anyone I don't mind correcting me it's you bro. Just don't get too koon waz (inside joke).



You're very welcome..🙂



I would have picked cataracts with that one. Thats an easy one man. Come on! haha. j/k.

If they wanted you to pick MD, they would have put DISTORTION OF STRAIGHT LINES or CENTRAL BLIND SPOT. Trust me, these questions aren't that difficult. You just have to know what to look for -- i.e more buzzword-oriented.


yea...dammit. Another one where my gut feeling was correct and reasoning screwed me. count of questions where I had the right answer and then changed it to wrong one = 6. great.

btw, they didn't give central blind spot or anything. So yea, catarcts has to be it. I tried looking it up - I found this http://www.asaging.org/CDC/module4/phase2/phase2_2a.cfm

the table show MD as traffic problem + glare. But you are correct. It just makes sense (lens, refraction crap, glare problems DUH!)
 
Just wanted to bump this and thank the good doctor for posting it.

I had an ophtho question that I was able to answer just based on his post. Thankfully I read this post a couple of hours before I took the test.

At least I know I got 1 question correct on this test.
 
Just wanted to bump this and thank the good doctor for posting it.

I had an ophtho question that I was able to answer just based on his post. Thankfully I read this post a couple of hours before I took the test.

At least I know I got 1 question correct on this test.

Talk about cutting it close!

Glad people are finding this thread helpful. Ophtho is poorly explained in a lot of review books and not really covered in the preclinical years in med school (1-2 lectures on "the eye" doesn't count).

If you're reading this thread and haven't taken the exam yet, PLEASE PRINT OUT WHAT I WROTE ABOVE AND ADD IT TO YOUR FA! The ophtho questions on the USMLE/COMLEX are very easy. Make sure you nail them to maximize your score!
 
Talk about cutting it close!

Glad people are finding this thread helpful. Ophtho is poorly explained in a lot of review books and not really covered in the preclinical years in med school (1-2 lectures on "the eye" doesn't count).

If you're reading this thread and haven't taken the exam yet, PLEASE PRINT OUT WHAT I WROTE ABOVE AND ADD IT TO YOUR FA! The ophtho questions on the USMLE/COMLEX are very easy. Make sure you nail them to maximize your score!

I agree. Your post above is a wonderful resource. Another thing you may want to add to it is a brief description on iritis/ciliary flush, and conjunctivitis. I believe I had a path shelf question or two on these topics.
 

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