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I have a question regarding a problem in the organic odyssey chapter 11 # 38. I attached a picture of the problem to this thread. I thought that the answer would be B because after protonating the OH you would have a strong nucleophile, Br-. So, I thought that it would undergo SN2. However, the answer is A indicating that it undergoes SN1. Could someone please explain why it goes Sn1 and not SN2? Is it because the solvent is overall protic?

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First Br- isn't a very good nucleophile. If I remember correctly, conjucated bases of strong acids are weak nucleophiles.
H2O is a very good leaving group. It falls off making a secondary carbocation.
There is a 1,2 hydride shift from C2 to C3 resulting in a tertiary carboation on C2. Then the Br attackes the tertiary carbocation resulting in 2 bromo iso pentane

Edit: Check that Br- is a weak base because it's the conjugate base of a strong acid. Weak bases make good nucleophiles. Br is a good nucleophile.
 
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Here are some of my notes from my last semester of ochem. It really helped me keep it organized and clear in my head.

Because it is a secondary alcohol it would be an Sn1 reaction. And thus it would occur in multiple steps and a carbocation would form. And then there would be a hydride shift resulting in the most stable conformation which is with the tertiary carbon. The ranking of stability is 3>2>1. If it was a primary Alcohol rather than a secondary it would result in an Sn2 reaction and there would be no hydride shift.
 

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Here are some of my notes from my last semester of ochem. It really helped me keep it organized and clear in my head.

Because it is a secondary alcohol it would be an Sn1 reaction. And thus it would occur in multiple steps and a carbocation would form. And then there would be a hydride shift resulting in the most stable conformation which is with the tertiary carbon. The ranking of stability is 3>2>1. If it was a primary Alcohol rather than a secondary it would result in an Sn2 reaction and there would be no hydride shift.

This is really helpful. Thanks for the response!
 
I have a question regarding a problem in the organic odyssey chapter 11 # 38. I attached a picture of the problem to this thread. I thought that the answer would be B because after protonating the OH you would have a strong nucleophile, Br-. So, I thought that it would undergo SN2. However, the answer is A indicating that it undergoes SN1. Could someone please explain why it goes Sn1 and not SN2? Is it because the solvent is overall protic?

Thank you

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Not a chance. You have a branched secondary alcohol. Protonation would form a secondary carbocation that can easily rearrange into a highly stable tertiary carbocation. This rearrangement is so rapid, it would surely beat any direct attack. As a general rule, secondary and tertiary alcohol react by Sn1 or E1 processes .

Hope this helps.

Dr. Romano
 
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