origin and insertion

[ptmiami]

In grad school will we be expected to know (and learn) exactly where on the bone do the muscles attach or just the bone it attaches to?

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[kdubz7w7]

In grad school will we be expected to know (and learn) exactly where on the bone do the muscles attach or just the bone it attaches to?

You will need to know the precise location, as well as the name of that precise location.

 

[deleted797640]

Yup precise location, for example supraspinatus inserts on the superior facet of the greater tubercle of the humerus. Then included origin, its action, innervation and its location on a cadaver for practical exams. Then you will need to apply this for more critical thinking questions on written exams such as what muscle lies above it or what bony prominence does it insert under, things along these lines.

 

[ptbusiness]

I believe we were tested maybe once on the information previous people mentioned (maybe during the first semester or anatomy). If you retain it during the program, it is probably helpful to make more sense out of more in-depth material. But if you forget all those details, it still will not prevent you from succeed in the program. When you start working, you can look up all that information as needed and in the real-case context it will make more sense to you.

 

[truthseeker]

I believe we were tested maybe once on the information previous people mentioned (maybe during the first semester or anatomy). If you retain it during the program, it is probably helpful to make more sense out of more in-depth material. But if you forget all those details, it still will not prevent you from succeed in the program. When you start working, you can look up all that information as needed and in the real-case context it will make more sense to you.

I hope that is not how you practice. What is it that you actually think you need to retain? anatomy, neurophysiology, biomechanics, those things need to be second nature to you so you can process the evaluation and know what questions to ask. If you fail to really ingrain those things, you will not be as capable of discerning what tissue is inflamed, why it is inflamed, and address the cause of the problem your patients have.

Learn the material. It is essential to be a GOOD clinician.

 

[deleted797640]

I hope that is not how you practice. What is it that you actually think you need to retain? anatomy, neurophysiology, biomechanics, those things need to be second nature to you so you can process the evaluation and know what questions to ask. If you fail to really ingrain those things, you will not be as capable of discerning what tissue is inflamed, why it is inflamed, and address the cause of the problem your patients have.

Learn the material. It is essential to be a GOOD clinician.

I think what he is trying to get across is when you begin to practice say in an outpatient orthopedic setting the information needed to succeed in that setting will repeat, build on your education as a DPT and become ingrained over time due to familiarity. Let's not pretend PT's get out of school begin practicing in one setting and 10-15 years later remember all the details of how to do neonatal positioning or would be competent in treating pediatric specific issues. That is why specialties exist, this is how I took the response.

 

[truthseeker]

I didn't take it that way

 

[ptbusiness]

I hope that is not how you practice. What is it that you actually think you need to retain? anatomy, neurophysiology, biomechanics, those things need to be second nature to you so you can process the evaluation and know what questions to ask. If you fail to really ingrain those things, you will not be as capable of discerning what tissue is inflamed, why it is inflamed, and address the cause of the problem your patients have.

This information is definitely important in ortho outpatient settings. If you treat people with brain injuries all day long, it will not matter whether or not you remember where long head of biceps is inserted. Just really depends on the setting where you practice and conditions that you treat.