Osteopathic Residencies

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You dont hear too much talk about Osteopathic programs. Which ones are the strong ones? What kind of fellowship opportunities are there? How competative is it (ie board scores, extra curriculars, LOR's)

Also what programs are linked, which are pyramid style.
I looked and only found 14 programs, anyone know how many spots does that makes?

PS- i dont really expect anyone to respond to this, people never respond to questions like this. But i thought id give it a shot. If anyone has done rotations at any of these programs any input would be much appreciated.
 
Cowboy DO said:
You dont hear too much talk about Osteopathic programs. Which ones are the strong ones? What kind of fellowship opportunities are there? How competative is it (ie board scores, extra curriculars, LOR's)

Also what programs are linked, which are pyramid style.
I looked and only found 14 programs, anyone know how many spots does that makes?

PS- i dont really expect anyone to respond to this, people never respond to questions like this. But i thought id give it a shot. If anyone has done rotations at any of these programs any input would be much appreciated.

I've looked into the programs and was disappointed at the lack of information, too. I'll tell you what I've learned, which I believe is accurate but if someone else knows more, please feel free to correct me. There are only 2 linked programs: Henry Ford in Warren, MI and the one in Pontiac, MI. I totaled up the number of slots and there are approximately 117 TOTAL residency spots, for a breakdown of approximately 32 NEW residents each year. The "word on the street" is if you don't rotate at the specific location in which you want to match, you will be at a considerable disadvantage. Whether or not that's true, I don't know yet. But I have been lurking on this site and aunt minnie for a couple of years now and that's the impression I've received.

Here is an email I received about 2 weeks ago from the PD in Texas:

> Thank you for your inquiry into our residency program. Sorry if this
> reply is late in coming. The e-mail address on the AOCR website is my
> home e-mail which I almost never use, but there was no other e-mail
> address to use at the time.
>
> To briefly explain our situation here: The hospital at which our
> radiology residency was based closed in October 2004 (the Osteopathic
> Medical Center of Texas in Ft. Worth, TX)at which time we were able to
> transfer only the 6 radiology residency slots over to the county
> hospital here in Ft. Worth, John Peter Smith Hospital. The way this
> worked was our 6 residents came with their own funding from their
> previous program, but the funding ONLY applied to each individual
> resident. When each of those residents graduates, there will be no
> more funding available. That means the radiology residency program
> will no longer exist. That is the bad news.
>
> The good news is that John Peter Smith Hospital wants to continue the
> radiology residency program and wants to increase the number of slots to 8 residents. We are at this time trying to find funding for up to 8 radiology residents. When and if we get this funding is the deciding factor. I am hopeful that we will know something by September or October of 2005. If we do get approved, that means we will probably be able to start the new program in July 2006 (with a little luck.)
>
> So until we know whether we even will continue the residency, we are
> not interviewing or taking applications at this time. My advice is to
> stay in touch with the AOCR as they will be one of the first to know
> whether we are going to continue and be approved with slots and
> funding. I am recieving so many e-mails that I probably won't have
> time to answer them all. If we do get funding, we will be getting a
> different e-mail address with the base at John Peter Smith Hospital.
>
> Good luck to you--if you are interested in radiology you have already
> made the first right choice. As one of my attendings told me during
> my first year as a radiology resident: "A bad day in radiology is
> better than a good day in any other field of medicine." This is
> becoming more true every year.
>
> Scott McGuire D.O.
> Radiology Residency Director
> John Peter Smith Hospital
> Ft. Worth, Texas


This sounds bad to me. I was pursuing an elective rotation there but doubt I'll continue to do so. I did have a rotation set up in New York but they don't have housing for any other students besides those at PCOM, so I cancelled that one, too. That's about all I know. Anyone else???
 
There is some info on AOCR.org. The Ohio programs at Grandview in Dayton and Doctors Hospital in Columbus were linked when I was applying (2 years ago.)
 
As far as I know, all the DO radiology programs are linked to an internship.

I never rotated at any of the DO rads programs but interviewed at 4 of them: Henry Ford Bi-County/Wyandotte, Pontiac, Doctors Hospital in Columbus, and St. James in Olympia Fields. Henry Ford had 2-3 spots I think, Pontiac 2, St. James 1, and Doctors 2. Don't quote me on that though. I withdrew from the DO match to pursue an MD residency, but probably would have ranked them as I listed them. I applied but did not get an interview at Botsford, which of course is likely because I didn't rotate there. I agree with the above poster regarding your chances without rotating at the program...slim to none. Although I interviewed at these programs, it seemed apparent that they already knew who they were going to take, and I never met a resident at any program who HADN'T rotated at the program as a medical student. I guess there is nothing terribly wrong with that policy, but its important to be aware of as an applicant.

All sites seemed to very "private practice" oriented, in which your training was similar to what it would be like in private practice....some programs not having set rotations like you have at academic centers, such as Chest, MSK, IR, etc. At the DO programs you frequently read different studies throughout the day, which some might rate as an advantage or disadvantage. Conferences were pretty rare in most respects, with the exception being Henry Ford Bi-County/Wyandotte and Pontiac in which you (along with other area MI residents) drive to Lansing on Tuesdays for all day conferences at Michigan State U.

Program graduates didn't seem to have too much difficulty getting fellowships, but many fellowships aren't filling right now b/c lots of grads are going into private practice apparently...If things change, or if you really want a competitive fellowship, there might be difficulty I guess.

I chose a more academic MD residency b/c I knew I would be happier. If you have a family and don't want to move them for internship, then residency, and/or you want to be able to afford a house, then the DO programs would be pretty well suited, especially if you want to go straight into private practice. These were just my observations and opinions so take them for what you feel they are worth.
 
Hey Heeed!...

I got that same email. Word for word. Rather ominous, I agree. And I was actually under the impression that it was a personalized response. Egad.

BP
 
I just went on the Opportunities website and NONE of the programs show any OGME 1 spots or salary info, even the 2 programs I've been told are linked. WTF 😡
 
Vince,

How hard did you find it to match into an allopathic program. At this point im thinking it might even be easier to match allo if you rank enough programs, just from the sheer number of programs.
 
Very Very Very Very Very Hard.
 
Thats helpful...care to elaborate?
 
It's just hard in my opinion...it's more competitive as a D.O. I think.

You need everything else that other applicants/MD's need:
1. Great board scores.
2. Great LORs
3. Great grades in clinicals
4. A very good rotation/impression at a program you are interested in
5. Research defintely helps, but not vital I guess

I have a feeling its difficult for a MD Rads residency program director(and other residency programs too) to judge DO applicants...the only comparing score is often USMLE Step 1. It's important to ask yourself..."Why should they take a D.O. vs. an M.D.?" "Why should they take you?"

If you can show them the answer maybe when you rotate through their department or your CV reflects you well, then you should have a shot.

Applying for radiology was the most stressful thing I have ever experienced and I applied very broadly to lots and lots of programs and only got about a 10% interview rate through the MD programs. About 90% interview rate through DO programs although didn't rotate at one so slim chances anyways......And if you do rotate at a DO rads residency, and also apply to MD residencies, then of course you have to decide when it comes match time do you stay in the DO match and risk getting dropped from the MD match, or do you go for the MD rads program and risk not matching and perhaps not getting to do radiology as a specialty.

(Like I said...Very very very difficult). Just my 2 cents.

Shoot for your goals as always.....
 
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