Outreach to homeless individuals with mental illness

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This issue has been driving me crazy (no pun) over the past couple of years (so please forgive my liberal use of capitalization): Why the hell are ACUTELY PSYCHOTIC individuals roaming the streets of every major city in this country? I have a really hard time focusing on counseling college students struggling with academic stressors at my externship site when outside my building there are a couple of people that are extremely disheveled and responding to internal stimuli roaming the streets without treatment. I live in a large city and see this almost every day on the way to class/externship. I have recently approached several of these individuals and spoke with them briefly. It seems reasonable that many of them, if sitting in an ER or a psychologist's office, would warrant an involuntary commitment due to psychotic symptoms. Why isn't there some mechanism in place to handle these situations or at least offer an evaluation? When do we (not just providers, but society, police, etc.) step in and say that this person is in crisis? Society's current approach seems to be to to wait until they attack someone, trespass, get victimized, require hospitalization due to dehydration and malnourishment, or attempt suicide and hopefully survive and then the police usually intervene.

Yes, I know the mental health system has problems (to say the least) but there has to be some better way of handling these situations. What are some ways of improving our outreach to this population (homeless individuals that appear to be suffering from acute psychosis, mania, etc)?

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It also depends on the city and the available resources. I know where I used to live in Pittsburgh, there is what's called "Operation Safety Net" which was developed my a local doctor a little more than a decade ago. It is basically street medicine, but I know they also have a psychiatric team including psychiatrist, therapists and case managers.
 
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There are currently outreach programs available in some cities. However, also keep in mind that 1) involuntary commitment should generally be the very last step in the mental health treatment process, and requires that the individuals are a grave danger to themselves or others; if these people are simply wandering the streets so to speak, they are not necessarily in significant danger of directly harming themselves or others; 2) PECs only last for, at most, a couple days; even when extended via CEC they only last for about a week; 3) in general, even with a PEC or CEC, once the individual is no longer a grave danger, unless they wish to remain in treatment, they must be released.

I know some of the programs I've seen will use contingency management principles, especially with comorbid substance abuse, in working with this population. You can also attempt to setup community supports, and/or educate individuals on how to take advantage of these supports if they already exist. All in all, though, it's definitely a very complex problem that will require intervention in many different life domains.
 
That Frontline link heavily quotes a book called Out of the Shadows: Confronting America's Mental Illness Crisis. I have read this book and highly recommend it.

I know Szasz's thoughts on involuntary commitment, but I also see so many people who are floridly psychotic yet not in imminent risk, and their quality of life is terrible. It's an awful double-edged sword.
 
That Frontline link heavily quotes a book called Out of the Shadows: Confronting America's Mental Illness Crisis. I have read this book and highly recommend it.

I know Szasz's thoughts on involuntary commitment, but I also see so many people who are floridly psychotic yet not in imminent risk, and their quality of life is terrible. It's an awful double-edged sword.

agree with everything here.
 
How are we to know their quality of life? Many of these people have repeatedly been through some system and refused treatment. I personally know one severely mentally ill individual, who was in my class in elementary school, who claims the medications "cause them pain" (whatever that means). Every couple of months, they land back in the hospital.

At least all major cities have shelters and food banks during severe weather. I feel like I'm playing the devil here, but is it possible that not everyone has to be treated? Perhaps their own world is where they are happiest. Especially once their illness has robbed them of a lot of their brain function.
 
How are we to know their quality of life? Many of these people have repeatedly been through some system and refused treatment. I personally know one severely mentally ill individual, who was in my class in elementary school, who claims the medications "cause them pain" (whatever that means). Every couple of months, they land back in the hospital.

At least all major cities have shelters and food banks during severe weather. I feel like I'm playing the devil here, but is it possible that not everyone has to be treated? Perhaps their own world is where they are happiest. Especially once their illness has robbed them of a lot of their brain function.

I agree with you. Since we no longer institutionalize the severely mentally ill, medicating them is the standard treatment--and, understandably, this is intolerable to some due to the side effects. We just don't have an ideal solution, sadly.
 
How are we to know their quality of life? Many of these people have repeatedly been through some system and refused treatment. I personally know one severely mentally ill individual, who was in my class in elementary school, who claims the medications "cause them pain" (whatever that means). Every couple of months, they land back in the hospital.

At least all major cities have shelters and food banks during severe weather. I feel like I'm playing the devil here, but is it possible that not everyone has to be treated? Perhaps their own world is where they are happiest. Especially once their illness has robbed them of a lot of their brain function.

Thank you for posting this as it raises some good points. I hear ya. I know several people that would fit with what you are saying, but there are several important things you are missing. Living with psychosis and refusing to take medication because you don't like the side effects is one thing, living on the streets in not so safe parts of town and eating out of garbage cans while acutely psychotic is another (in my mind). Is this a crisis that requires hospitalization? It would certainly vary from person to person. Regardless of where you fall on the argument no one is really asking the question which is what bothers me. Also, we don't have a very accurate way of determining if these individuals are safe and where exactly their lifestyle will lead them, and there are very few preventative measures (at least in my area) to intervene with them, only reactionary measures (police intervention after a person attacks someone or bothers someone, etc.). And the reactionary measures aren't very effective (and often involve the legal system).

To your first point, how do you determine that they are able to accurately judge their quality of life? There is no mechanism in place to determine that. Do they understand the full implications of their illness and how it may not only influence them but others around them? With schizoaffective disorder, bipolar disorder, etc. just because they are doing okay now, what happens when their mania progresses? Are they aware of the different medication options that are available (even if they have had a bad experience with one of them) and the community resources available to them? We don't really know for many of these people, and no one seems to care to ask. I am not implying we need to institutionalize them, but we need to seriously ask the question. By not intervening we may be indirectly institutionalizing them to homeless shelters or temporary stints of incarceration (as the articles above point out). These things will create a vicious cycle that gives them less of an option of choosing to get treatment, get disability from the government, and living a semi-normal life.

We as a society, and many of us in our profession, have completely ignored the wellness model and the social model of disability with regards to this population.
 
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One of the vexing things about the homeless population is that a large portion have a strange sense of independence in their "roaming".

It is a fine line...that between making reasonable attempts to help when necessary, and failing to accept life and the vicissitudes of the human condition.
 
I agree with you. Since we no longer institutionalize the severely mentally ill, medicating them is the standard treatment--and, understandably, this is intolerable to some due to the side effects. We just don't have an ideal solution, sadly.
There are programs to integrate severely disabled people enabling them live functional lives, but they are expensive. Institutionalization is cheaper and more appropriate for the severely mentally ill, but deprives them of their human rights. I think it really is a catch-22.
Thank you for posting this as it raises some good points. I hear ya. I know several people that would fit with what you are saying, but there are several important things you are missing. Living with psychosis and refusing to take medication because you don't like the side effects is one thing, living on the streets in not so safe parts of town and eating out of garbage cans while acutely psychotic is another (in my mind). Is this a crisis that requires hospitalization? It would certainly vary from person to person. Regardless of where you fall on the argument no one is really asking the question which is what bothers me. Also, we don't have a very accurate way of determining if these individuals are safe and where exactly their lifestyle will lead them, and there are very few preventative measures (at least in my area) to intervene with them, only reactionary measures (police intervention after a person attacks someone or bothers someone, etc.). And the reactionary measures aren't very effective (and often involve the legal system).

To your first point, how do you determine that they are able to accurately judge their quality of life? There is no mechanism in place to determine that. Do they understand the full implications of their illness and how it may not only influence them but others around them? With schizoaffective disorder, bipolar disorder, etc. just because they are doing okay now, what happens when their mania progresses? Are they aware of the different medication options that are available (even if they have had a bad experience with one of them) and the community resources available to them? We don't really know for many of these people, and no one seems to care to ask. I am not implying we need to institutionalize them, but we need to seriously ask the question. By not intervening we may be indirectly institutionalizing them to homeless shelters or temporary stints of incarceration (as the articles above point out). These things will create a vicious cycle that gives them less of an option of choosing to get treatment, get disability from the government, and living a semi-normal life.

We as a society, and many of us in our profession, have completely ignored the wellness model and the social model of disability with regards to this population.
I appreciate your responding in depth. 🙂
To add to your first point, severe mental illness is often the result of both nature and nurture, and I believe that these people are very susceptible to abuse, especially since they are not considered "respectable". Few people will defend the resident homeless lady who is regularly being visited by various men and we really don't have a long-term way to follow up after they are released to the street. The fact is, their lifestyle is not safe.

On the other hand, you can't just drive around town picking up anyone who looks strange, give them a psych eval, involuntarily commit them if necessary. The result will be major human rights violations at great cost to the hospital. And you must have a follow up program, or you'll be checking in the same people over and over again.

You are correct that we can't measure quality of life, since it is an individual perception. I may require internet access to have a good quality of life, but another person may be happy gathering mangoes in the Amazon as a day laborer. Who are we to determine someone else's quality of life? Maybe some people are meant to test us, to see if we can treat people who refuse to be normal with the same respect we treat humans we think we understand.

From their perspective, the discomfort caused by the medications may outweigh its normalizing effect on their brain. A schizophrenic who understands "the full implications of their illness and how it may not only influence them but others around them" may be depressed knowing that they will always need other's help, can look forward to decreased cognitive ability after each episode, and are unlikely to achieve their original ambitions, in addition to any side effects. I think that for some people, living in their own world, even though it means being on the streets may be less distressing.

In my opinion, forcing medication, so that a person can experience normality, borders on a human rights violation. If a person WANTS to be normal, then we should help them. But we can't help everyone, we need to figure out what is best for each person. Maybe some people need to be institutionalized, and we could start such institutions just as for the developmentally disabled. But running them would be very difficult - we have enough abuses in geriatric nursing homes.

I agree with you that we need to ask the question, but I disagree that floridly psychotic people on the street are necessarily a bad thing. You say that regular use of homeless shelters is a form of "indirectly institutionalizing" but it would seem to me that homeless shelters are very positive. As long as they are protected, have a place to go if they are hungry or need shelter, and treatment is offered to them, we can expect a certain percentage will choose to remain on the street who are harmless and simply add human color.
 
There are programs to integrate severely disabled people enabling them live functional lives, but they are expensive. Institutionalization is cheaper and more appropriate for the severely mentally ill, but deprives them of their human rights. I think it really is a catch-22.

I appreciate your responding in depth. 🙂
To add to your first point, severe mental illness is often the result of both nature and nurture, and I believe that these people are very susceptible to abuse, especially since they are not considered "respectable". Few people will defend the resident homeless lady who is regularly being visited by various men and we really don't have a long-term way to follow up after they are released to the street. The fact is, their lifestyle is not safe.

On the other hand, you can't just drive around town picking up anyone who looks strange, give them a psych eval, involuntarily commit them if necessary. The result will be major human rights violations at great cost to the hospital. And you must have a follow up program, or you'll be checking in the same people over and over again.

You are correct that we can't measure quality of life, since it is an individual perception. I may require internet access to have a good quality of life, but another person may be happy gathering mangoes in the Amazon as a day laborer. Who are we to determine someone else's quality of life? Maybe some people are meant to test us, to see if we can treat people who refuse to be normal with the same respect we treat humans we think we understand.

From their perspective, the discomfort caused by the medications may outweigh its normalizing effect on their brain. A schizophrenic who understands "the full implications of their illness and how it may not only influence them but others around them" may be depressed knowing that they will always need other's help, can look forward to decreased cognitive ability after each episode, and are unlikely to achieve their original ambitions, in addition to any side effects. I think that for some people, living in their own world, even though it means being on the streets may be less distressing.

In my opinion, forcing medication, so that a person can experience normality, borders on a human rights violation. If a person WANTS to be normal, then we should help them. But we can't help everyone, we need to figure out what is best for each person. Maybe some people need to be institutionalized, and we could start such institutions just as for the developmentally disabled. But running them would be very difficult - we have enough abuses in geriatric nursing homes.

I agree with you that we need to ask the question, but I disagree that floridly psychotic people on the street are necessarily a bad thing. You say that regular use of homeless shelters is a form of "indirectly institutionalizing" but it would seem to me that homeless shelters are very positive. As long as they are protected, have a place to go if they are hungry or need shelter, and treatment is offered to them, we can expect a certain percentage will choose to remain on the street who are harmless and simply add human color.


These days, even when they are involuntarily hospitalized, they still have the right to refuse medications because it is their "human right." Also, once they have stabilized and can leave the hospital, they can choose to stop taking their meds again. So, involuntary commitment only solves the problem temporarily at best. In an age when the "good" hardworking average citizens are getting laid-off and experiencing financial hardship, more people are going to unconsciously support the notion of survival of the fittest. In fact, if you randomly ask some people in your social circle, chances are at least one will tell you they think the homeless shall remain homeless and wither away without wasting taxpayers' money.

Now, we can try to educate people about how much MORE it is going to cost us if we have such a huge homeless population (crime and violence, dangerous neighborhood, ER utilization...etc.) but most don't seem to believe that. You try to explain to people that in the long-run, shutting down certain facilities is a bad idea but most of the time, we only think about the short-term gains.

With the lack of financial incentives and/or resources and the whole human rights issue, it is going to be extremely hard to "help" the acutely psychotic/ mentally ill homeless folks. It is very sad.
 
The bottom line is that, unless they are an imminent danger to self or others, you can't compel treatment if people refuse, unless a judge approves AOT. People can be medicated over objection as inpatients, but again, only via court order. People have a right to refuse treatment and we can't violate their human rights.

I have trained and worked in public mental health settings, both inpatient and outpatient, for a good number of years. Although I believe in outreach and helping those who want help, many of these people have been through the system and just don't want treatment or to go to a homeless shelter. It can be difficult for us to understand and accept, but some people choose to not only be unmedicated, but to live on the streets.
 
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I'm biased because I have a current situation with someone I know whose relative is schizophrenic and actively psychotic but refusing medication. It's causing so much devastation.
 
I'm biased because I have a current situation with someone I know whose relative is schizophrenic and actively psychotic but refusing medication. It's causing so much devastation.

It is devastating for sure, and I, too, have witnessed it personally. I hope my message wasn't construed as lacking in compassion for these situations.
 
It is devastating for sure, and I, too, have witnessed it personally. I hope my message wasn't construed as lacking in compassion for these situations.

Ditto. It breaks my heart every time I see that happen to anybody but the way how our system is set up... I am not sure if there is an answer.
 
Right... we don't want to force people to take medication or be hospitalized, either.
 
Lord.

At the hospital today I spoke with a patient on the young adult unit, with a diagnosis of schizophrenia. He has been cycling in and out of inpatient facilities because while his symptoms are controlled while he's on his meds, he's homeless and unemployed, and therefore cannot afford to fill his prescriptions. His plan for discharge? To return to the shelter. Rinse and repeat. Speaking to this person, he would badly like to go back to school, to get a job, to become a stable and contributing member of society, but what are his chances when there's no comprehensive social safety net to enable him to stay out of the hospital? It's stuff like this that leaves me red hot angry at the end of the day.
 
Lord.

At the hospital today I spoke with a patient on the young adult unit, with a diagnosis of schizophrenia. He has been cycling in and out of inpatient facilities because while his symptoms are controlled while he's on his meds, he's homeless and unemployed, and therefore cannot afford to fill his prescriptions. His plan for discharge? To return to the shelter. Rinse and repeat. Speaking to this person, he would badly like to go back to school, to get a job, to become a stable and contributing member of society, but what are his chances when there's no comprehensive social safety net to enable him to stay out of the hospital? It's stuff like this that leaves me red hot angry at the end of the day.

I have heard about this with state hospital patients (being d/c to homeless shelters, empty buildings, etc.). Given the chronic nature of severe mental illness, there has to be a system in place to provide continued care and there really isn't one (at least in GA). Residential and community treatment centers could address this problem but they don't really exist to the degree that they need to.
 
I have heard about this with state hospital patients (being d/c to homeless shelters, empty buildings, etc.). Given the chronic nature of severe mental illness, there has to be a system in place to provide continued care and there really isn't one (at least in GA). Residential and community treatment centers could address this problem but they don't really exist to the degree that they need to.

I agree with you, but we'd have to pay for it. How money is allocated and spent is an inherently political process and many providers and patients are reluctant to get involved in politics. The "I've got mine" attitude tends to pervade large sections of this country, and more than ever it pervades the halls of Congress and State Houses, who during some periods could be counted on to spend on behalf of the powerless without a huge backlash.
 
I agree with you, but we'd have to pay for it. How money is allocated and spent is an inherently political process and many providers and patients are reluctant to get involved in politics. The "I've got mine" attitude tends to pervade large sections of this country, and more than ever it pervades the halls of Congress and State Houses, who during some periods could be counted on to spend on behalf of the powerless without a huge backlash.

It would be interesting to think about a federal mandate of a minimum number of state inpatient and community mental health center bed/room availability per state, according to the state's population and the number of private psychiatric hospital and community beds available. That of course would probably turn into a bureaucratic cluster $%#@ but it may help in some capacity.

Interesting sidenote- In GA, there has probably been a dozen articles in one of our most popular newspapers about the poor conditions inside the state hospitals and poor d/c planning, lack of community resources, etc. There was a riot on one of the adolescent units, a number of questionable deaths, substantiated reports of patient abuse, etc. The state responded that the hospitals met quality standards, they passed all of their BS accreditation processes, etc. The federal government investigated and concluded that the hospitals were unsafe and actually sued the state of Georgia mandating them to put more resources into the facilities. The state government responded by closing 2 of the major hospitals while claiming that the other hospitals could accommodate the patient population., Keep in mind that all the hospitals were incredibly overcrowded which contributed to the conditions within them, and the population of Georgia has doubled over the past 10-15 years while the state hospital beds have decreased. They also closed two of the nicest state facilities in the 90's for funding reasons.
 
It would be interesting to think about a federal mandate of a minimum number of state inpatient and community mental health center bed/room availability per state, according to the state's population and the number of private psychiatric hospital and community beds available. That of course would probably turn into a bureaucratic cluster $%#@ but it may help in some capacity.

Any federal or state mandate would have to be paid for somehow, that means explaining to Joe Sixpack that he has to pay a couple more bucks for public-funded psychiatric care. Taxes!!! Run!!! Also I think a federal mandate would run afoul of the 10th amendment, though they seem to get around that using the commerce clause with everything else, it would most certainly be challenged in court.
 
Any federal or state mandate would have to be paid for somehow, that means explaining to Joe Sixpack that he has to pay a couple more bucks for public-funded psychiatric care. Taxes!!! Run!!! Also I think a federal mandate would run afoul of the 10th amendment, though they seem to get around that using the commerce clause with everything else, it would most certainly be challenged in court.

http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/
This is an excellent resource. E.F. Torrey (who wrote Insanity Offense) founded this organization. NAMI is cool but TAC wows me.
 
Great discussion.

Criteria varies between states as to criteria for civil commitment and for medication over objection. In california while it's relatively easy to get someone hospitalized on a 72-hour hold (danger to self or others, or inability to maintain food/shelter/clothing d/t a mental illness), the criteria for medication over objection is a bit stricter. 72hour holds don't require a hearing, and many different people can write them (emergency physicians, psychiatrists, social workers, psychologists, police officers, park rangers). Medication over objection (Riese) requires a hearing and proving that the individual cannot properly weigh the risks and benefits of a medication (a specific medication).

If someone recognizes they have voices and states it doesn't bother them and they don't like meds because it may cause diabetes, they'll likely win their hearing. If they think the government is surveilling them and they don't want medication because they know the pill contains government microchips that can track them, they'll likely lose their hearing. Many states have much lower criteria and are more liberal in overriding basic rights.
 
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