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I know we are all in this because we care and money has nothing to do with our jobs, but I think we can make a case for residents, at the risk of making myself déclassé(I learned this word from the article, which I guess also makes me déclassé). It seems all we really need is a "good" lawyer!

dé·clas·sé
1. Lowered in class, rank, or social position.
2. Lacking high station or birth; of inferior social status.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20908975/


Generally, workers with jobs that require independent judgment have not been entitled to overtime pay. But with businesses embracing efficiency and quality-control initiatives, more and more tasks, even in offices, are becoming standardized, tightly choreographed routines....Consider pharmaceutical sales reps. While they make an average of $79,000 a year, their jobs require them to work about 65 hours a week, says Charles Joseph, a New York attorney who, along with others, has filed overtime cases against every major drugmaker. In order to earn a middle-class income, he observes, they essentially "have to work two jobs."...
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I personally make no independent judgements in the hospital. With all the clinical guidelines and care pathways, there is very little thinking left. If the alternative is to get overtime, I will gladly stop doing the little independent thinking that I currently do.

Second, if drug reps start getting overtime for what they do...I know a guy that used to sell Foley's for $150,000.
In order to earn a middle-class income, he observes, they essentially "have to work two jobs."
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What does that make us, who are not just "essentially," but actually ARE working two full time jobs, for just more than half of that amount? It would take a significant amount of moonlighting to get me to their salary, at which point I could state I work three full time jobs to receive a middle class income.


His focus is on what they actually do, not on their job titles, income, or academic degrees. "You don't have to be stupid to get overtime," Thierman says. "In fact you're stupid if you don't get overtime."
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Since most of my day is scut work and second or third assistant in the OR, I think interns and junior residents have a case that we deserve overtime. When I am a little bit more advanced I may have a harder time making the claim.
 
Overtime?! Ha ha ha! Good luck with this one! 🙂

(BTW, you DO realize if we earned overtime - anything over 40 hours a week, or even weekends/holidays, around 60-65% of our hours would be included?)
 
aProgDirector said:
Or, surgical residencies would be 40 hours per week for 15 years.
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How's this related to residents getting fair salaries in comparison to the hours they work, including weekends and National holidays ?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but each hospital receives approximately 100 K per resident in "education funding" right? How much of that goes in salaries (residents and teaching staff)? Is it really that impossible to at least raise the residents' average salaries to something in the order of 65 K as apposed to 40K, which typically for the hours we work amounts to 8.23 $ /hr? (calculation based on my salary and work hours, averaging both light elective months and typical months).


If anyone can actually make any changes happen, it's not gonna be the residents, who will become attendings and then forget about the pay. It's program directors, who are (supposedly) vested in their residents' interests.. And I DO know, for a fact, that you guys have a sizeable lobbying powerwith the ACGME and the great evil forces.
 
QuantumX said:
How's this related to residents getting fair salaries in comparison to the hours they work, including weekends and National holidays ?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but each hospital receives approximately 100 K per resident in "education funding" right? How much of that goes in salaries (residents and teaching staff)? Is it really that impossible to at least raise the residents' average salaries to something in the order of 65 K as apposed to 40K, which typically for the hours we work amounts to 8.23 $ /hr? (calculation based on my salary and work hours, averaging both light elective months and typical months).


If anyone can actually make any changes happen, it's not gonna be the residents, who will become attendings and then forget about the pay. It's program directors, who are (supposedly) vested in their residents' interests.. And I DO know, for a fact, that you guys have a sizeable lobbying powerwith the ACGME and the great evil forces.
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You've neglected important things like benefits, etc. aProgDirector has a very good discussion of all the factors that go into paying for and training residents here: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=5331658&#post5331658 (I think its post #114). If you do a search on salaries you'll find other posts which further discuss the issue, but the above post referenced really gives you the information you want.
 
you guys may be right, but I am going to spend tonight's call thinking about all the things I am going to buy with my overtime pay! I can imagine driving home after not sleeping for 2 days, only now it will be in a car that was made after Gorbachev left office.
 
the title of this thread makes me laugh-

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