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Hello,

I read at some point that there were about 5 insurance companies that offer true own-occupation disability insurance. Does anyone have a list of what those are?

Thanks!
 
I know for sure Northwestern Mutual has one. I have mine through them and it is not only own occupation, but specific for own specialty and clinical work.
 
mutual of ohama, northwestern, met life. i have met life.
 
Hello,

I read at some point that there were about 5 insurance companies that offer true own-occupation disability insurance. Does anyone have a list of what those are?

Thanks!


Slight correction to some of these responses..

Northwestern used to, but they no longer have a True Own-Occupation definition of total disability. They have something which is referred to as "medical specialty specific", but if you simply read the actual wording, you will notice a difference. It's a marketing tactic. Still a great and financial secure company.

If you want true own-occ, you can look to:
Guardian (every state), Principal (most states), Standard (most states), Union Central (most states), Mass Mutual (some specialties), MetLife (most specialties).

Mutual of Omaha, Assurity and other such companies also offer own-occupation, but for select periods.

Ideally you want true own-occupation for the full benefit period, to age 65 (or longer).

Most of these companies have own-occupation available as an optional rider, so be sure the financial professional you work with illustrates it.

Good luck
 
Thanks for all the info! Good start to my project of obtaining life and disability insurance next month.
 
Slight correction to some of these responses..

Northwestern used to, but they no longer have a True Own-Occupation definition of total disability. They have something which is referred to as "medical specialty specific", but if you simply read the actual wording, you will notice a difference. It's a marketing tactic. Still a great and financial secure company.

If you want true own-occ, you can look to:
Guardian (every state), Principal (most states), Standard (most states), Union Central (most states), Mass Mutual (some specialties), MetLife (most specialties).

Mutual of Omaha, Assurity and other such companies also offer own-occupation, but for select periods.

Ideally you want true own-occupation for the full benefit period, to age 65 (or longer).

Most of these companies have own-occupation available as an optional rider, so be sure the financial professional you work with illustrates it.

Good luck
What's the difference between own occ and specialty specific?
 
How much does it cost to add a psychiatric disability rider onto own-specialty disability insurance? Rough estimate.

First of all, something needs to be cleared up. You can't add a Psychiatric disability rider onto an own-specialty disability insurance. These contracts are sold to too many individuals to make them that customized.

It's actually very simple. You want to look for a policy with a definition of total disability that includes two primary parts:
- Disability is classified as the inability to perform the material and substantial duties of your own occupation.
- Benefits will remain payable, even if you decide to work in a different occupation, so long as you continue to be unable to work in your occupation at the time of claim.

The definition of disability is relative to the occupational duties you have, at the time claim.
For example: You buy a disability insurance policy while working as a surgeon - if you become unable to operate, then you may qualify for benefits. However, if you buy the policy as a surgeon, but later decide to work as an accountant, the criteria for being disabled will now be relevant to the duties of an accountant, not a surgeon. (Not so realistic, but I think it gets the point across)

So, an own occupation policy for a Psychiatrist is the same policy as is used for a surgeon, an engineer, cpa, etc. The language is always relevant to "your occupation". What makes it specific to your medical specialty is the fact that your occupation is the same as your medical specialty.


Regarding pricing . . . There are way too many variables to give you anywhere near an accurate estimate. It will depend on gender, state, age, health, etc.
If you really just want ball park figures, males can typically expect to pay 1-3% of gross income and females can expect to pay 2-5% of gross income.

Hope this is helpful. It's a bit difficult to explain, but is important for you to know if you are looking into getting coverage.
 
What's the difference between own occ and specialty specific?


I'm pretty confident that an attorney would tell you there is no difference, and I'd probably have to agree.

It's simply an added method of clarification for contractual purposes.

Under the definition of total disability, it adds this type of wording to the contract (varies amongst carriers) - "If you have limited your occupation to a select medical specialty, the insurance company will deem your medical specialty to be your occupation"

I think the bigger point here is that generally, policies with this type of wording are more comprehensive overall. It isn't necessarily the "medical specialty wording" that makes it a good policy, but the overall comprehensive nature.

Make sense?
 
I'm pretty confident that an attorney would tell you there is no difference, and I'd probably have to agree.

It's simply an added method of clarification for contractual purposes.

Under the definition of total disability, it adds this type of wording to the contract (varies amongst carriers) - "If you have limited your occupation to a select medical specialty, the insurance company will deem your medical specialty to be your occupation"

I think the bigger point here is that generally, policies with this type of wording are more comprehensive overall. It isn't necessarily the "medical specialty wording" that makes it a good policy, but the overall comprehensive nature.

Make sense?

So essentially it's the same.
 
So lets say you get disabled because you end up with some kind of seizure disorder where it just isn't safe for you to be doing brain surgery.

Sure you get the disability money. But what do you do about health insurance as this can be kind of pricey now as you have real medical probelem of a seizure disorder.
 
Many companies offer a psych rider "for nothing." It obviously depends on the company if they don't. My psych coverage is only for 2 years on my policy and they didn't offer a rider to extend it.

The health insurance is an issue. If you're really worried about it you can buy more disability coverage to help you afford it. A spouse might be able to get coverage or you might be able to hold down another job that provides insurance too.

As far as own occ vs specialty specific, it's all about the definition of occupation. What you don't want is to not be able to practice your primary specialty, but be able to do urgent care or something, and then not be able to collect on your disability coverage too. There's a big difference between primary care and neurosurgeon salaries.
 
I'm graduating medschool this year. My question is about when to buy "own disability insurance". Should I do it before residency starts?

What about disability insurance offered by the residencies themselves, are they any good?
 
I'm graduating medschool this year. My question is about when to buy "own disability insurance". Should I do it before residency starts?

What about disability insurance offered by the residencies themselves, are they any good?

I didn't do it until the my 4th year as a resident.
 
I'm graduating medschool this year. My question is about when to buy "own disability insurance". Should I do it before residency starts?

What about disability insurance offered by the residencies themselves, are they any good?


More than likely you are provided something through your GME program, and it may even have some conversion feature that allows you to convert it to an individual policy after residency. However, it likely will not be as feature-rich as some of the policies offered on an individual basis.

The "right" time to buy is relevant to your specific situation. The objective it to buy while you are still healthy, so you can get a full coverage policy without any exclusions. Additionally, the younger you are the cheaper the premiums.

Aside from that, it's really up to you. Best advice would be for you to get informed on the options and pricing, and then make a decision based on what you discover.

Good luck!
 
Let's say I'm a third-year resident who has started moonlighting. I have a salary of roughly 4k and am bringing home an addition 3k-3.5k per month moonlighting over the past 6 months (this is hourly pay and not salary). How is my income assessed? is it based on my tax returns? Or recent pay stubs? Or is only salaried income included?

The reason I ask is that when you're looking at a future purchase option rider, those are typically limited to 2x to 3x your salary, right? It would seem better to me that I maximized my income as a resident before purchasing disability insurance so I have the most available flexibility in my future purchase option rider.

I'm currently covered by my program's LTD group option, but yes, that's a more limited option that doesn't include my moonlighting income into the equaiton, obviously.

I'm also considering how important it would be for own-occupation riders in someone in internal medicine or even moreso in one like radiology or psychiatry. If you can't talk, see, or write, I don't see you being able to do much else. Any thoughts?
 
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Let's say I'm a third-year resident who has started moonlighting. I have a salary of roughly 4k and am bringing home an addition 3k-3.5k per month moonlighting over the past 6 months (this is hourly pay and not salary). How is my income assessed? is it based on my tax returns? Or recent pay stubs? Or is only salaried income included?

The reason I ask is that when you're looking at a future purchase option rider, those are typically limited to 2x to 3x your salary, right? It would seem better to me that I maximized my income as a resident before purchasing disability insurance so I have the most available flexibility in my future purchase option rider.

I'm currently covered by my program's LTD group option, but yes, that's a more limited option that doesn't include my moonlighting income into the equaiton, obviously.

I'm also considering how important it would be for own-occupation riders in someone in internal medicine or even moreso in one like radiology or psychiatry. If you can't talk, see, or write, I don't see you being able to do much else. Any thoughts?

Generally speaking, the amount of disability insurance one can obtain is directly related to the income he/she is earning. As a business owner, it would be based on the net-of-expense income, which can get tricky.

As a resident, you will qualify for “special limit programs” which are offered by most of the insurance companies that are worth your consideration. As a 3rd year, you can qualify for up to $5,000 of monthly benefit (ideally paid income tax-free), regardless of your income, and without requiring financial documentation. To put that in perspective, $5,000 of monthly benefit is the amount of benefit offered to someone earning $100K. So, $5,000 of monthly benefit along with the 2-3X FIO, you’ve reached the $15,000 maximum benefit most companies are willing to issue themselves right now.

In raising the issue of internal medicine, one question you need to ask yourself is regarding the income level you expect to reach throughout your career. An internists income can obviously range, but most that I have worked with did not exceed $250,000. At $250K, the maximum benefit for which you would qualify is approximately $11K - $11,500 monthly. The Future Increase Option is certainly a great benefit, but only to the extent that you will end up using it. It doesn’t make much sense to purchase $5,000 of monthly benefit with $10,000 of Future Increase Option, if you’re never going to qualify for the full $15,000 of total benefit.

Great question regarding Own-Occupation for internal medicine. There are many ways of looking at this and much of it will be opinion based. I personally feel that part of the benefit behind own-occupation, is simplicity at claim time. Not having to worry about proving that you cannot do any occupation, but simply that you cannot perform your own. When it comes down to it, no one ever thinks that they will need to use their disability insurance (and those who do, probably aren’t healthy enough to qualify). However, if you ever need it, you would want it to be as simple as possible to collect benefits. Own-occupation = simplicity. For highly specialized professionals, it’s simply the most consumer-friendly definition of total disability.

I could understand the modified own-occupation rather than true own-occupation (although I don’t agree with it), but certainly not anything less favorable than modified own-occupation.



If you are looking just to protect the moon-lighting income for now, get a policy that provides ~$3,000 of monthly benefit and include $6-9K of FIO.

Hope that helps.
 
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