Panic Selling stocks in 2020/coronavirus

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Was chatting about this stock crash/pullback with a few rphs on the transfer lines and was a bit surprised to find out some are panic selling or moving a lot into cash from equities.

Myself and most of my non healthcare pals are buying equities slowly or sidelining with cash searching for a bottom but not selling. I personally have some cash saved for real property purchase but am concerned my 2019 income will be too low (Semi-Fire)..

What's the water cooler talk in your area?

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We’re acknowledging that it feels like a gut punch, but emotional panic selling on the way to (or at) the bottom is probably the stupidest thing one can ever do.

I’m really surprised people are doing it because we’re not that far from Great Recession panic selling that permanently reduced people’s wealth.


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There's a thread specifically for this already that gets like 20 comments a day. This is the time when novices sell, lock in their 30% losses and then get left behind on the way back up. Invest money you won't need over the next 5-10 years in diversified, low fee index funds. It doesn't matter if the market is 70% down or went up 40% this year, today is always the best day to buy stocks. You can't predict the future. Time in the market beats gambling. Over the long term, buying and holding always beats market timers who waste their time panicking and trying to play God with the market.

Literally ignore anyone who invests based off current events or trends. You invest based off your appropriate asset allocation and time horizon and you buy and hold and make more money with less effort. You will never be smarter than the collective wisdom of every other investor on the planet.

I allocate $5k in gambling money to chase phase 3 trial results and high risk options/leveraged funds. Figure this is better than the blackjack tables in Vegas

The rest of my “responsible money” is as above.


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Never understood the logic behind selling the stock at a loss. Right now I am probably at -70k in net worth in taxable account (haven’t even looked at 401k). Why in the world would I sell it without even breaking even ?
People who do leverage must sell.
Some stocks will take decades to be back where they were, like oil stocks.
 
I allocate $5k in gambling money to chase phase 3 trial results and high risk options/leveraged funds. Figure this is better than the blackjack tables in Vegas

The rest of my “responsible money” is as above.


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Same here - I have some play money that I use to gamble on the market now and then.

I recently got it caught up, in a bad gamble, In Costco stock which I am sure will rise in the long run.
 
I am confused by the logic of selling now as well. Do people think the economy is going to stay crashed forever? If so, won’t money be worthless anyway? Seems to me that logically the very worst thing you could do now is sell.

I mean...isn’t that obvious? Someone at work was talking about what a bad time this is to buy stocks and she told her husband to sell some of their stocks until things improve. I wanted to ask her if she knows that you make money when stocks rise and loss money when they fall but to each their own. Her and her husband can do whatever they want to with their money I guess lol
 
I do think that Congress had inside trader info and they should do a Martha Stewart on them.
 
Never understood the logic behind selling the stock at a loss. Right now I am probably at -70k in net worth in taxable account (haven’t even looked at 401k). Why in the world would I sell it without even breaking even ?
I meant margin call, not leverage as I said.
Also some ppl want to exit and enter at a lower price.
Another reason I'm not sure but I guess it's computer trading.
 
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People that get out have a hard time getting back in especially if right after they get out we go back up.
At the moment, many people think things are still getting worse. If lockdowns last longer than 4-8 weeks, they fear of recession coming. So they think they can enter at a lower price.
That's one of the reasons there are still selling.
Also like Boeing, some ppl fear it might go bankruptcy, so they want to get out...
 
At this point, it's not about if recession is coming. It's about how severe it is gonna be.

 
I've heard putting 5% of your portfolio in speculation (talking about you Tesla buyers) is ok especially for people who can't control themselves and have the urge to do stupid things like short Microsoft. I used to find it appealing to pick stocks and speculate a bit, but once you realize you're statistically spending your time to lose money the appeal wears off and I would rather play video games.

I agree, hence why $5k is waaaay less than 5% of my total portfolio.

It’s mostly chasing phase 3 results with options. Current play is in the crapper for now, so I bought some $90 DIS stock to make me happy.


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There's a thread specifically for this already that gets like 20 comments a day. This is the time when novices sell, lock in their 30% losses and then get left behind on the way back up. Invest money you won't need over the next 5-10 years in diversified, low fee index funds. It doesn't matter if the market is 70% down or went up 40% this year, today is always the best day to buy stocks. You can't predict the future. Time in the market beats gambling. Over the long term, buying and holding always beats market timers who waste their time panicking and trying to play God with the market.

Literally ignore anyone who invests based off current events or trends. You invest based off your appropriate asset allocation and time horizon and you buy and hold and make more money with less effort. You will never be smarter than the collective wisdom of every other investor on the planet.

don't listen to this guy. he's been posting this everyday for the past 3 months right before one the of most brutal sell-offs in market history. he was so confident the market would keep rising and created the SDN Stock Market Challenge (in February, right before the massive downturn lol!) just to try to prove me wrong that the market was not about to sell off... he went right against my infinite wisdom and now he's paying the price. he is in a state of delirium if you can tell from his post.
 
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I'm hoping the Dow falls down to 2008 recession levels (8000), and then I'll buy in. Hope the same happens to housing market. For someone like me who doesn't own a house or have any investments, the fall of the market will be very nice.

Good luck on getting a mortgage
 
I'm hoping the Dow falls down to 2008 recession levels (8000), and then I'll buy in. Hope the same happens to housing market. For someone like me who doesn't own a house or have any investments, the fall of the market will be very nice.
You have no investments? Not even in 401k?
 
You have no investments? Not even in 401k?

Zero. Never put anything in it during my first hospital stint in 2012-2014. Independent pharmacy never offered it 2015-2018. My hospital only offers to contribute after 1 year in so I plan on beginning to contribute to it in May.
 
Zero. Never put anything in it during my first hospital stint in 2012-2014. Independent pharmacy never offered it 2015-2018. My hospital only offers to contribute after 1 year in so I plan on beginning to contribute to it in May.
You should start asap. Everyone here (well, from 2009 for me) is still positive even with this downturn...

Free money match plus tax deferral.
 
Zero. Never put anything in it during my first hospital stint in 2012-2014. Independent pharmacy never offered it 2015-2018. My hospital only offers to contribute after 1 year in so I plan on beginning to contribute to it in May.

You didn't have anything invested from 2012-2019? Everyone doubled or tripled their money in that run.
 
I'm hoping the Dow falls down to 2008 recession levels (8000), and then I'll buy in. Hope the same happens to housing market. For someone like me who doesn't own a house or have any investments, the fall of the market will be very nice.
wtf are you doing with your money?
 
He seems like someone that would put it all in Bitcoin

He seems like someone that would sell Chuck E. Cheese tokens to people on the subway stupid enough to believe they are buying bitcoins.
 
wtf are you doing with your money?

Student loans is like 1k a month, moms mortgage is like 800 a month, paying off credit card, paying off wedding debt from last year, car related expenses is much higher than I want it to be (should be resolved next year after this lease ends, I ended my last lease early and rolled in the mileage overage plus the last 3 months payments plus taxes into the monthly payment on this car so it's inflated), and saving 1k cash a month.
 
Student loans is like 1k a month, moms mortgage is like 800 a month, paying off credit card, paying off wedding debt from last year, car related expenses is much higher than I want it to be (should be resolved next year after this lease ends, I ended my last lease early and rolled in the mileage overage plus the last 3 months payments plus taxes into the monthly payment on this car so it's inflated), and saving 1k cash a month.

This is like Dave Ramsey level bulli**** advice.

Get your money into the market stat! Total market fund and leave it alone!


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Student loans is like 1k a month, moms mortgage is like 800 a month, paying off credit card, paying off wedding debt from last year, car related expenses is much higher than I want it to be (should be resolved next year after this lease ends, I ended my last lease early and rolled in the mileage overage plus the last 3 months payments plus taxes into the monthly payment on this car so it's inflated), and saving 1k cash a month.

You've had a $1k student loan payment for 7 years?? You got a lease then bought a new car after that? Don't you live in NYC where you don't need a car? And an expensive wedding at the same time? OMG.
 
Dude lived in his parents basement and couldn't save -_-

But seriously, you aren't in your 20s anymore. Start saving now before it's too late.
 
You've had a $1k student loan payment for 7 years?? You got a lease then bought a new car after that? Don't you live in NYC where you don't need a car? And an expensive wedding at the same time? OMG.

Ah, no, I've only been paying the student loan since I started this job. I've never bought a car, always leased because afraid of highway breakdowns and repair costs. I already have my next car in mind and it's a cheap fast one (fast cars are my main vice, I don't care about luxury), I live on Long Island and work in Westchester.
 
Was chatting about this stock crash/pullback with a few rphs on the transfer lines and was a bit surprised to find out some are panic selling or moving a lot into cash from equities.

Myself and most of my non healthcare pals are buying equities slowly or sidelining with cash searching for a bottom but not selling. I personally have some cash saved for real property purchase but am concerned my 2019 income will be too low (Semi-Fire)..

What's the water cooler talk in your area?

You should have sold on Feb 24th at the latest. We knew as soon as it hit Italy and South Korea that containment protocols had failed, and that it would inevitably come here, with the disruptions to trade and travel that entails. If IRA you can park it in bonds

Now is certainly a potential time to buy, though I will reveal my secrets (now well transmitted really in good finance articles online) that in my estimation there will be further dips

Many people might not have much liquid cash though unfortunately.

You know someone really has it together in smarts, time, and energy if they became millionaires over this period (late February through March). Equities are not the only play
 
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I am confused by the logic of selling now as well. Do people think the economy is going to stay crashed forever? If so, won’t money be worthless anyway? Seems to me that logically the very worst thing you could do now is sell.
I mean...isn’t that obvious? Someone at work was talking about what a bad time this is to buy stocks and she told her husband to sell some of their stocks until things improve. I wanted to ask her if she knows that you make money when stocks rise and loss money when they fall but to each their own. Her and her husband can do whatever they want to with their money I guess lol
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We were talking about the stock market downturn at work, and one of my co-workers said "yeah, but this won't effect our money that's in 403-B's." She was serious (and she isn't a new grad 🤣 ) She apparently never paid attention to her 403-B and was clueless that yes, the total value will go down when the stock market crashes.

At the moment, many people think things are still getting worse. If lockdowns last longer than 4-8 weeks, they fear of recession coming. So they think they can enter at a lower price.
That's one of the reasons there are still selling.
Also like Boeing, some ppl fear it might go bankruptcy, so they want to get out...

The thing is, even though people are unemployed in high amounts right now, there is every reason to think most of those people will be able to go back to work in a few months when this blows over. I'm not a Trump supporter, but I think he was right when he said the economy will rebound.

But the bankruptcy thing is a real concern. I really don't think Boeing is going to go bankrupt, but industries like cruise ships, I can see some companies going bankrupt over this.

Customer: "I cut my hand and it's swelling and the rash is starting to spread. Should I put Neosporin on it?:
Me: "Yes, but it sounds like it might be infected already and you need to get care urgently or it could become much more serious to the point where sometimes they have to amputate."
Customer: "But Neosporin should work right?
Me; "At this point you likely need something stronger and need a professional diagnosis and treatment. I would not gamble with this."
Customer: "But Neosporin should kill the infection?"
Me: "It sounds like it is spreading and is no longer superficial. It could turn into a life threatening, full body infection without proper treatment. You need to see a physician."
Customer: "But Neosporin is for cuts and should treat this?" (customer continues to become more upset you're not validating the easy solution they wanted)
Conversation continues like this for the next 5 minutes until I finally tell them we're very busy and I am not going to change my professional recommendation to whatever they want just because they want me to.

I've never understood why people think they need my pharmacist permission to do something. I guess so they can sue me when it goes wrong? I don't have patient for this kind of arguing, after the 2nd or 3rd time, I tell people, "it's a free country, you can do what you whatever you want, but my official recommendation is still "official recommendation."

Zero. Never put anything in it during my first hospital stint in 2012-2014. Independent pharmacy never offered it 2015-2018. My hospital only offers to contribute after 1 year in so I plan on beginning to contribute to it in May.

This is scary. I've not a huge retirement fund contributor, but I've always contributed something. I agree with Confettiflier, you need to start contributing something today.

He seems like someone that would sell Chuck E. Cheese tokens to people on the subway stupid enough to believe they are buying bitcoins.

And the thing is, Spardus *would* find people to buy his Chuck E. Cheese tokens. He has that sort of luck.
 
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