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hello 😳
I work for the medical examiners office..and respond to death scenes and assist/transport decedents.. the medical examiner refers to his cases as patients, but does this count as a patient experience? or just an extracurricular..? or nothing? It's a paid job...(pathology is the field I'm interested in)~
 
I don't think it's a patient experience. They are dead after all. I don't know if it could be a clinical example though. Perhaps some SDNers can enlighten you.
 
hello 😳
I work for the medical examiners office..and respond to death scenes and assist/transport decedents.. the medical examiner refers to his cases as patients, but does this count as a patient experience? or just an extracurricular..? or nothing? It's a paid job...(pathology is the field I'm interested in)~

It's a medical-related job to put on your work history for sure. I don't think it counts as patient experience... they're not patients any more by the time you see them. Even in your description of your job you called them "decedents" and not "dead patients". The paperwork that has to be done for them is likely very different from paperwork for live patients 😉
 
In medical school application terms, I think it ceases to be patient experience once the person is dead - but that's not to say it's an experience not worth having.
 
okay cool 😉 thank you guys. if I can ask another question: do you think I should mention pathology at interviews next year? I know you're not supposed to choose specialty before residency, but honestly treating living patients is not what I want to do in the end (not that I won't like it and learn from it just as well during med school and residency 🙂)
 
okay cool 😉 thank you guys. if I can ask another question: do you think I should mention pathology at interviews next year? I know you're not supposed to choose specialty before residency, but honestly treating living patients is not what I want to do in the end (not that I won't like it and learn from it just as well during med school and residency 🙂)

I already know what specialty I want to do. If your feelings about your specific specialty is a fire burning in your heart that is what fuels your very life-force, then yeah, I'd mention it. I don't know if it's "proper" or not but it seems disingenuous to me to feign nonchalance about something that is my main drive in life.
 
I already know what specialty I want to do. If your feelings about your specific specialty is a fire burning in your heart that is what fuels your very life-force, then yeah, I'd mention it. I don't know if it's "proper" or not but it seems disingenuous to me to feign nonchalance about something that is my main drive in life.

okay 🙂 thanks. and good luck in your application to OU
 
okay 🙂 thanks. and good luck in your application to OU

Oh man, I'm becoming "that chick who loves OUCOM more than life itself". 🙄

Anyway, good luck to you too!
 
Oh man, I'm becoming "that chick who loves OUCOM more than life itself". 🙄

Anyway, good luck to you too!

haha I'm sure you will get in with your gpa and mcat and dedication. 😉 thanks.
 
it is a bad idea to natter on about a specialty as if that is all you want to do.

even if it is, don't say that. "i have a short list of things i really want to look into" is one thing. admitting there is only one thing on it is another.
 
Trippy avatar, jurassic. You make a good point though. Get a broader amount of experience - what you have is a good start, but don't limit yourself to this.
 
hello 😳
I work for the medical examiners office..and respond to death scenes and assist/transport decedents.. the medical examiner refers to his cases as patients, but does this count as a patient experience? or just an extracurricular..? or nothing? It's a paid job...(pathology is the field I'm interested in)~

Hands down, I absolutely think you should mention this in your application, as well as in your interviews. I'm an M4 going into Pathology and although those aren't traditional "patient" cases, they are definitely interesting cases with interesting pathophysiology which will help you in your career as a physician. I would still include other ECs with clinical exposure and live patients (haha), but by all means talk about your experience in the medical examiners office. It can really help you stand out amongst your competition.
 
it is a bad idea to natter on about a specialty as if that is all you want to do.

even if it is, don't say that. "i have a short list of things i really want to look into" is one thing. admitting there is only one thing on it is another.

Yeah, I would strongly recommend expressing interest in a few specialties, but also stating that you're keeping an open mind to other specialties.
 
Hands down, I absolutely think you should mention this in your application, as well as in your interviews. I'm an M4 going into Pathology and although those aren't traditional "patient" cases, they are definitely interesting cases with interesting pathophysiology which will help you in your career as a physician. I would still include other ECs with clinical exposure and live patients (haha), but by all means talk about your experience in the medical examiners office. It can really help you stand out amongst your competition.

Thanks for posting- it's really helpful to get the opinion of someone into pathology! I'll mention everything else for sure~ thanks again 😉

Yeah, I would strongly recommend expressing interest in a few specialties, but also stating that you're keeping an open mind to other specialties.

Ok, sounds like a plan.. even if it may be a lie 😳. Thanks
 
LMAO

I can't find my other one. 🙁 Mr Arnold does not approve. I got some Ellie ones and Muldoon, I might switch to him. IDK.

I'm just teasing lol. That night I was up all day travelling back up here to buffalo, lab, and studying and then came lurking on here around 2AM and my head was so strung out at that point.
 
I have never heard anybody ask if something is a "patient experience" rather if it is a "clinical experience" and working for the M.E. is definitely a clinical experience, albeit a non-traditional one.

While it seems to me like many people here, and even you yourself, aren't identifying this as clinical because you cannot help the "patients" themselves, the M.E. provides a great deal of extremely important information to the family and loved ones and I think you'd be undervaluing it if you don't think of it as "clinical." It shares much in common with living patient care.

Commonly physicians allow families of terminal patients to find emotional closure by helping them to prepare for the impending death and ensuring that the death is as comfortable as possible...of course we all prefer to be able to find problems and fix them before a patient dies, but sometimes, it just can't be done. Then the M.E. is very important to the family, friends, and loved ones to provide that same kind of closure. While the M.E. certainly doesn't engage the family in the same way, it is his/her findings that are often able to provide the most positive aspects of the death--hopefully that the decedent passed peacefully, without pain, or quickly, and in the most tragic incidents by providing the scientific basis upon which a criminal will hopefully be convicted, etc.

The M.E. is the person who:
-keeps loved ones from endlessly wondering "why?"
-often knows the statistics to help the family find communion in their experience (i.e. that this was commonly an unpreventable means of death and impacts X families each year)
-has the incredible responsibility of determining the less obvious causes of death of deceased newborns/still-borns--a particularly common but gut wrenching occurrence for new parents that is utterly difficult to grasp.

Most of the highly specialized physicians I work with do specialized consulting as M.E.'s in their area of expertise. This is not an overlooked need in the medical field. There are at least two med schools I know of that offer rotations through the coroner's office w/ the ME.

You can express a love for a field, but profess your openness to other fields...it is commonly believed you are too inexperienced to know any better as an applicant! That's the purpose of rotations.
 
That jobs sounds super awesome and is totally amazing experience if you want to go into pathology.
 
I have never heard anybody ask if something is a "patient experience" rather if it is a "clinical experience" and working for the M.E. is definitely a clinical experience, albeit a non-traditional one.

While it seems to me like many people here, and even you yourself, aren't identifying this as clinical because you cannot help the "patients" themselves, the M.E. provides a great deal of extremely important information to the family and loved ones and I think you'd be undervaluing it if you don't think of it as "clinical." It shares much in common with living patient care.

Commonly physicians allow families of terminal patients to find emotional closure by helping them to prepare for the impending death and ensuring that the death is as comfortable as possible...of course we all prefer to be able to find problems and fix them before a patient dies, but sometimes, it just can't be done. Then the M.E. is very important to the family, friends, and loved ones to provide that same kind of closure. While the M.E. certainly doesn't engage the family in the same way, it is his/her findings that are often able to provide the most positive aspects of the death--hopefully that the decedent passed peacefully, without pain, or quickly, and in the most tragic incidents by providing the scientific basis upon which a criminal will hopefully be convicted, etc.

The M.E. is the person who:
-keeps loved ones from endlessly wondering "why?"
-often knows the statistics to help the family find communion in their experience (i.e. that this was commonly an unpreventable means of death and impacts X families each year)
-has the incredible responsibility of determining the less obvious causes of death of deceased newborns/still-borns--a particularly common but gut wrenching occurrence for new parents that is utterly difficult to grasp.

Most of the highly specialized physicians I work with do specialized consulting as M.E.'s in their area of expertise. This is not an overlooked need in the medical field. There are at least two med schools I know of that offer rotations through the coroner's office w/ the ME.

You can express a love for a field, but profess your openness to other fields...it is commonly believed you are too inexperienced to know any better as an applicant! That's the purpose of rotations.

I know what an ME does...I work alongside them!! 🙂 thanks though. I know it's a clinical type experience, but I wasn't sure if this nontraditional version of clinical experience fits the recommendation or requirement of having clinical experience before applying to med school.
 
I wasn't trying to imply you didn't know what ME's do. I was putting it in words you (or more specifically others here) may not have articulated/considered to make it more obvious why you shouldn't have doubts about referring to it as a clinical experience and/or giving you ideas about how to present it as a clinical experience. Clearly you had doubt coming from somewhere...
 
pushing carts in the ER = patient experience.

It got phillip markoff into BU.
 
This is a clinical experience but you should classify it as "employment, non-military". The job title and location will make the clinical nature obvious.

I think that it is sensible to say that you are very interested in pathology but that you know that the third year clerkships and fourth year rotations may introduce you to other areas of medical practice and that you realize that decisions at this point aren't engraved in stone.

If you are responding to death scenes, you may have some stories to tell about your interactions with the living at the scene. Learning how to interact with heartbroken family members is difficult and that is something you've already had an opportunity to practice. (I had a family member who worked for an ME and I've heard the stories.)
 
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