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Yes, and it appears that in two of those non-govt/non-academic positions you....

1) were in your own private practice and saw up close the cold realities of running a business(what the reimbursement rate actually is per patient, what the collection rate is, etc)
2) were in the cmhc you describe above which seems an *even worse*(much worse actually) position than the OP's situation

So I would say, based on what you have shared about some of your experiences, that the OP(assuming he is making about 100 bucks an hour or more if no bennies) has a pretty good deal compared to some of the past situations you have described.

But a terrible deal compared to some of the available jobs that are out there. Like the one Bagel had. And the one I left and am fortunately welcomed to return to. Or the one I had when I closed my practice before I moved to the cornfield for a dude.
 
But a terrible deal compared to some of the available jobs that are out there. Like the one Bagel had. And the one I left and am fortunately welcomed to return to. Or the one I had when I closed my practice before I moved to the cornfield for a dude.

the 'some of the available jobs out there' aren't neccessarily possible depending on location and such. I mean you yourself have had MULTIPLE dead end crappy jobs that have offered some combination of low pay or crappy schedule/environment......you didn't just randomly stumble into these jobs. You would up in them because those happen to be a good number of the jobs out there.
 
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I would take a FTE non-malignant job here that pays half of that with benefits.

Huh--that's weird. There are plenty of 150k state hospital/state based outpatient jobs that have excellent benefits/retirement/pension. You see 10 patients a day who've been in the program for 30 years. Then you drink some latte. Rinse and repeat. Where are you located?
 
That is what bothers me the most. CMHCs provide care for the most ill, yet often resort to staffing with the least qualified. However, I do not malign public systems. The shortcomings of many CMHCs is as much a failure of private system greed and social apathy toward the sick- especially the mentally ill . When the most educated and capable have the least incentive to provide complex care in clinically austere environments, the system cannot succeed in its mission. I see this in other areas of medicine as well. This failing is especially poignant in emergency medicine. Here you find the most highly trained physicians with a rolodex of specialists on call basically directing traffic in the level one trauma centers. Meanwhile, the rural community hospital emergency department is staffed with a physicians assistant and a CT machine that is only operational half the time.

A drastic reorganization of social priorities will be required to make a meaningful change in the delivery of healthcare. In the meantime, physicians are ill equipped to effect progress toward improved access, value, and quality of care. So, we do what we do. We care for people in the system we have, not the system we want. However, it is incumbent on physicians to also take care of ourselves. It is ironic that, as a profession, we are so good at taking care of our patients, yet suffer from alarmingly high levels of burnout across the board. Acquiescing to administration's demands for higher throughput is not going to alleviate the problem. We are obligated to collaborate with those decision makers, not collude. Physicians should know that high value care is not high profit care. Maybe some of us missed that in our training.

Yeah. I've been telling my patients I'm leaving. And I've been honest with them about why. The responses are interesting. Some have them have shook my hand and told me to fight the system. Some of them are upset because they liked me. Some of them don't give a crap about me so much, but they're upset that this is the third time this has happened to them in the last year or so.

And some of them have said, "Yeah. This place really does suck. I'm so sorry you had to deal with it."

And I'll say, "Don't feel bad for me. I have options. I can get out. I feel bad for all of you. What options do you have with crappy state insurance and no way to get places?"

One lady cried a bit.

It's really not okay. At all.
 
Maybe I feel that psychiatrists need a full damn hour for every followup. That doesn't matter.

If we devalue our opinion we can expect others to.

You have either (1) Vis being all hey you don't make no $ stop whining or (2) everyone else telling you to quit ==> (3) bemoan the crisis state of the American public mental health system

Get out or demand an appropriate standard of care.

I believe I have been clear in my advocacy for demanding an appropriate standard of care. I should have provided more constructive advice on how to achieve it. I am in full agreement with most Sluox's recommendations to that end. However, I would advise against anything that could be construed as unprofessional. Showing up late, leaving early, and ignoring poor performance evaluations is not going to encourage collaboration, and may impact your career going forward. In the situations where I find myself at odds with administration, I take the opposite tact.

If you are going to hang with the system you are in, you need to be impressing the people there with your work ethic. Show up early and stay late. You do not have to be "working," when you are not on the clock, but be there and be busy with something. This will reinforce your position to your colleagues, who probably understand deep down that 15 minute med checks are a travesty, and help you deflect accusations which inevitably ensue when you are not cranking out the productivity quota. If someone tries to hang paper on you, accept any constructive criticism warmly while gently pointing out any blatantly derogatory/defamatory language as unacceptable. Do not sign any evaluation with such language.

Know that you may get the urge to turn adversarial when the inevitable administration ambush catches you off guard on a Friday afternoon. When you walk into a meeting, be prepared to see an array of suits trying to stage some twisted version of an "intervention." Don't engage in it. Give them some cathartic time to expressive their frustration, then excuse yourself. Stay professional, polite, and mild mannered. Despite the conflicts that arise, the physician and administration are usually on the same side in the end. Both generally want patients to get care. With that common ground, you can usually negotiate a mutually productive alliance.

However, you have to be willing to walk away if things get too ugly. Have an exit strategy in place. Raising the practice standard in a sub-optimal system is heavy lifting, and for a while you may find that the simplest thing you do at work is practice medicine. It is not easy, but it is worth it. Once you have established yourself as a compassionate physician who does not cut corners, you will often find that administration moves on to lower hanging fruit in their quest to pinch pennies. Furthermore, you will have demonstrated your professionalism and that reputation will serve you well down the road, opening more appealing practice opportunities. Then, you can find yourself in the enviable position of actually enjoying what you get paid to do.
 
the 'some of the available jobs out there' aren't neccessarily possible depending on location and such. I mean you yourself have had MULTIPLE dead end crappy jobs that have offered some combination of low pay or crappy schedule/environment......you didn't just randomly stumble into these jobs. You would up in them because those happen to be a good number of the jobs out there.

That is true. And I am resigning myself to living in a region of the country to which I have no strong ties and doesn't exactly have what one would call a bustling scene.

And I'm lucky. Because I can do that. Single. No kids. I have a colleague who tells me he would love to move to the Midwest because the jobs around here are killing him, but he can't because his wife said she'd divorce him before ever agreeing to move to a cornfield.

It's not all sunshine and roses. This is why docs are leaving medicine. This is why docs are killing themselves.

But this is NOT why we tell each other to suck it up, dammit, because other people have it worse.

Do not accept being exploited. Do not accept being abused. Do not accept being forced to practice below your standard of what you consider to be good medicine. Do not accept being told that you'd feel a lot better if maybe you did some yoga and ate a dessert when you wanted one. That's all BS designed to make money for someone else.

Patients and docs alike are the worse for it.
 
I I would advise against anything that could be construed as unprofessional. Showing up late, leaving early, and ignoring poor performance evaluations is not going to encourage collaboration.

In practice, people who are "professional" burn out. Perception is reality. The appearance of professionalism, or more (i.e. creativity, drive for game changing, etc.) help you minimize work that doesn't contribute to the big picture.

Coming in early and staying late rarely net you brownie points at a CHMC. More effectively, one should build rapport with support staff so people *like* you and sing your praises even when you "cut corners". People don't always appreciate work ethic---it might BURN you and label you as a goody two shoes. Support staff at CMHC often don't take ownership of their own work! One good way to build alliance is to minimize work for you and your support team at the same time. For example, when you cancel your clinic for 3 hours, tell everyone else to go home as well if you can. Nothing has to be "approved" formally by the "supervisor". Always ask for forgiveness instead of permission when passing. Secondly, providing the "best" care is not the priority of these treatment contexts. Providing "adequate" care and generating revenue is. Minimizing case load and maximizing case content is key: nobody can argue against "good patient care". Focus on things that really drive the system: money. Spending an hour negotiating with Medicare/payors as the protege of the Service Chief (just as an example) can worth more than working 3000 hours more a year working as a bee by "coming in early and staying late".

"Do nothing with negative feedback": make the appearance that you fixed something but no sudden big movements. I had an experience when I tried to fix something on a feedback from CHMC, it ends up backfiring in my face because I didn't fix it in exactly the way they want and it just generated more unwanted attention. Drag things on. It's not that easy to get fired, especially when everyone *likes* you. Ironically after that experience I worked much less, developed better relationship with the higher ups, stopped paying attention to work, paid more attention to people (just chitchat more with clinic staff), relaxed more, and got way better evals--and the original supervisor left the facility. Work less work less work less. If on paper you should see 3 patients an hour. See 2 in the name of "good patient care", reschedule the 3rd for tomorrow. Take your time to document. If it takes more time because the patient is "complex", TAKE MORE TIME. Reschedule the next patient. Do not see people who show up 20 min late to a 45 min intake. Just re-schedule them--trust me, *nobody cares*. Then you have a 25 min to get a latte. Get rid of the new patients for next week. Take lots of vacation weeks. I swear my last 3 months at the CHMC I cancelled a third of my shifts and got my best evals. If the clinic is bleeding too much, eventually you'll be laid off, but that's really not your problem, and hopefully by then you have developed enough relationship that people would actually listen to you instead of trying to replace you.

If you think that being constructive and work harder will solve problems at CHMC you are naive. Most graduating residents are constructive and hard working, but very few will survive more than a year or two at CHMC, and certainly very few would survive long enough to take leadership positions and change the system.
 
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I have a colleague who tells me he would love to move to the Midwest because the jobs around here are killing him, but he can't because his wife said she'd divorce him before ever agreeing to move to a cornfield.

He should let her know that the industrial ruin porn is just as good in St. Louis or Kansas City as it is in Philly.
 
Perception is reality. The key is to somehow construct the appearance of professionalism

I absolutely agree with you on the need to maintain the appearance of professionalism. However, I have found it more taxing to put on the act than to just walk the walk. Professionalism is as much about boundary setting as it is "going the extra mile." With appropriate boundaries in place vis a vis your colleagues and patients, you have plenty of energy to devote to those times when you need to double down on an issue that comes up. Also, if you are maintaining a charade, you run the risk that your mask will slip one day and someone catches you playing Angry Birds while you are slow walking the work flow. That certainly isn't going to win you any friends. Good work ethic doesn't mean burning the candle at both ends. It is just taking care of business. While this might prompt some of the curmudgeon's to lambaste you behind your back, those really aren't the people you should be trying to impress.

If you think that being constructive and work harder will solve problems at CHMC you are naive.

I have been working in the same CMHC for four years, straight out of residency. Through constructive collaboration and hard work, I have helped build a system where I provide top notch care to the sickest, most vulnerable patients. Now, I have psychiatrists calling me to get on board. I am not going to say this was an easy situation to create. They tried to stick me with a ridiculous schedule out of the gate. When I started here they had a PA across the hall writing dope like it was going out of style being supervised by a GP living in another state. After having it out with the director over not being notified when a patient threatened to kill me, my office was moved into a closet... literally. The cherry was when one of the suits called me a "dummy" in one of the ambush intervention meetings because I "waste time reviewing charts before the patient comes in." There is no way I would have been able to hold up if I had been just casting an illusion of professionalism. In fact, it was my dedication to real professionalism that kept me going. Difficult? Yes. Worth it? Definitely.
 
A lot of folks at my current gig are taking a page from Sluox's book. And no one really does seem to care.

Like there's this one guy . . . He calls out for days at a time. Usually these days he's sick happen to coincide with right before he goes out on vacation. He's extended his vacations by up to a week by calling out a day at a time.

And I'm of a mixed mind. Part of me is like *fist bump*. And part of me is like . . . But my life sucks a little harder when he does it.

Because the patients who were scheduled still show up. They need meds. And the case mangers be like, "Sorry, Dr Lioness, but you're the only doc here today and this person is here and they're upset and they need their meds, so we added them to your schedule . .." And on and on and on.

Now doc always-calls-out probably would handle my pursuing a similar strategy with good grace.

But . . . I just can't. Can't. I'm not the kind of doc who shames people for calling out when they're really sick because "you can't screw your colleagues like that" . ... But . . . You really kinda can't screw your colleagues like that. And your patients.

Case in point. Case manager comes to me today in a tizzy. This doc called out. This patient showed up. She was upset and needed her meds and was causing a scene. This was apparently the third time her appointment with this doc was last minute canceled. She was out for blood. Case manager was between a rock and a hard place. Patient hadn't been seen by a doc since January. Policy says we can't refill because it had been too long. It was legitimately not the patient's fault.

It was only celexa and Wellbutrin. I wrote for a month. But it still took a good few moments to calm the stressed out case manage who had been dealing with this crap for three days now, review the chart, and write the script. And yeah. Issues like this have been landing in my lap all week.

It's a bull**** long term survival strategy. Better to quit. Unless your wife is an dingus who won't leave her tony Mainline suburb. (That was a different colleague)


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A lot of folks at my current gig are taking a page from Sluox's book. And no one really does seem to care.

That is the real problem. No one seems to care because they are likely burnt out, and geographic therapy is unlikely to solve that. Indeed, the vast majority of employment opportunities out there are miserable. The guy in charge of manufacturing dream practice opportunities is clearly asleep at the control panel. Maybe we, as a profession and individually, should do something about that... like learn to say "No."

Examples:

"No. I am not going to see the patient who showed up 20 minutes late for their appointment."

"No. I am not going to continue to treat the patient who has threatened to kill/sue me."

"No. I am not going to see the patient whom I am unfamiliar with as a follow-up."

"No. I am not going to spend an hour on a prior authorization for a medication that cost $4 a month."

Boundaries.... professional boundaries.
 
Case in point. Case manager comes to me today in a tizzy. This doc called out. This patient showed up. She was upset and needed her meds and was causing a scene. This was apparently the third time her appointment with this doc was last minute canceled. She was out for blood. Case manager was between a rock and a hard place. Patient hadn't been seen by a doc since January. Policy says we can't refill because it had been too long. It was legitimately not the patient's fault.

omg lol this kind of **** literally happened to me on a daily basis at the CHMC. at some point i started saying no, and it made me so much saner. yes, "boundary setting"... to be honest I don't think you should've refilled meds of random people who aren't yours, doesn't matter what the case manager thinks.
 
accept any constructive criticism warmly

"Do nothing with negative feedback": make the appearance that you fixed something but no sudden big movements.

To clarify, accepting criticism warmly does not mean you start blithely jumping through whatever unrealistic, constantly changing set of flaming hoops is set up for you to navigate. Rather, as Sluox said, you enact largely cosmetic changes, while continuing to practice as you see fit. "Oh, I did not meet my meaningful use target on smoking cessation for last quarter. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I will definitely work on that." Add a "counseled on smoking" line to your notes template. Then, tell every patient, "You know, quiting smoking is one of the best things you could do for your health." Don't even waste time asking if they smoke if you don't think it is indicated. Just put the check in the box and move on. When the focus shifts to something else, drop the smoking line and go with whatever new "quality" metric was devised.
 
I have been working in the same CMHC for four years, straight out of residency. Through constructive collaboration and hard work, I have helped build a system where I provide top notch care to the sickest, most vulnerable patients. Now, I have psychiatrists calling me to get on board. I am not going to say this was an easy situation to create. They tried to stick me with a ridiculous schedule out of the gate. When I started here they had a PA across the hall writing dope like it was going out of style being supervised by a GP living in another state. After having it out with the director over not being notified when a patient threatened to kill me, my office was moved into a closet... literally. The cherry was when one of the suits called me a "dummy" in one of the ambush intervention meetings because I "waste time reviewing charts before the patient comes in." There is no way I would have been able to hold up if I had been just casting an illusion of professionalism. In fact, it was my dedication to real professionalism that kept me going. Difficult? Yes. Worth it? Definitely.

[redacted at request of @TexasPhysician ]
 
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Doctors are paid less by insurance based on what city they practice in?

There are regional variations in medicare reimbursement. However, local variations have more to do with negotiations between the area's private insurers and health care providers. Psychiatry, with its relatively low fixed overhead, has many more small and individual practices than other specialties. Large healthcare systems can negotiate sweeter deals, which leaves these smaller practices at a decided financial disadvantage. Smaller practices are also disproportionately affected by increases in government regulation and insurance bureaucracy, which have been compounding exponentially in recent years. The larger system's vertical integration allows them to absorb such insults more easily. These financial, regulatory, and bureaucratic pressures push many psychiatrists in small practices out of third payer participation entirely and into private pay models that are more viable in large metropolitan areas, like D.C., Richmond, and Norfolk. This leaves the more rural areas high and dry. There are counties in Southwestern Virginia without a single practicing psychiatrist.

provide some color for me on the state of psychiatry in Virginia

Virginia is facing big challenges with mental health care in general and psychiatry in particular. In 2013 Senator Creigh Deeds was slashed by his son, who then committed suicide. The 24 year old had been released from an emergency department where he had presented voicing suicidal and homicidal intentions that day. A community service board worker determined that there were no psychiatric beds available and when the detention order expired he was released. This led to a firestorm of litigation, legislation, and significant changes to the commitment process and psychiatric admissions. Interestingly, it did not result in any significant increase in mental health funding or even a single additional state psychiatric bed despite the fact that Virginia had more state psychiatric beds in 1850 then it does today. But I digress. In the current atmosphere, if a patient mentions suicide and can fog a mirror, they get admitted to the psych ward. Good times.
 
There are regional variations in medicare reimbursement. However, local variations have more to do with negotiations between the area's private insurers and health care providers. Psychiatry, with its relatively low fixed overhead, has many more small and individual practices than other specialties. Large healthcare systems can negotiate sweeter deals, which leaves these smaller practices at a decided financial disadvantage. Smaller practices are also disproportionately affected by increases in government regulation and insurance bureaucracy, which have been compounding exponentially in recent years. The larger system's vertical integration allows them to absorb such insults more easily. These financial, regulatory, and bureaucratic pressures push many psychiatrists in small practices out of third payer participation entirely and into private pay models that are more viable in large metropolitan areas, like D.C., Richmond, and Norfolk. This leaves the more rural areas high and dry. There are counties in Southwestern Virginia without a single practicing psychiatrist.

[redacted at request of @TexasPhysician ]
 
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Several docs are "sick" on this lovely Friday. The case managers are getting hammered with people who were canceled and need meds.

There are two docs here.

And it's a freaking zoo.


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Huh--that's weird. There are plenty of 150k state hospital/state based outpatient jobs that have excellent benefits/retirement/pension. You see 10 patients a day who've been in the program for 30 years. Then you drink some latte. Rinse and repeat. Where are you located?

not where Im at there arent(not that are available at least).
 
Hi all, I wanted to check in with others about how many patients you are seeing a day and how your schedule looked when you started your job. 3 days a week I work at a CMHC seeing 21 patients a day, which is brutal but I make it work because this is how its always been done here. I work one day a week each at hospital satellite clinics which is a new thing for the hospital. I have 20 minute follow ups and 40 minute intakes. My schedule has been completely packed with new patients. There is no template so they put anybody in any open spot. I explained that I am only there one day a week and I can only accommodate a certain amount of patients overall in order to be able to see them often enough. My supervisor, who is not a doctor, said that "you can't expect to be paid for doing nothing" (I'm salaried) and that they are going to continue to put new patients in any open spots. He also pointed out that they don't make any money when new people no show, which they do a lot. I explained that I have no control over that. He said I should be seeing patients for 15 minutes. He said that they are allowing me 20 minutes "because you are new." I then said that I think that 15 minutes is really pushing it for a follow up and that 7 or 8 new patients a day results in too much documentation and inability to obtain records, do paperwork, etc.. in a timely fashion, to which he replied "that's the doctor's life, nobody is paying for documentation." He said the allotted appointment time includes documentation. He said no psychiatrist could survive in private practice seeing 4 new patients a day + follow ups and that all new doctors are seeing a full day of intakes. Am I crazy? I'm thinking this is not the place for me

UNFORTUNATELY, I have been THINKING ABOUT THIS ALL DAY, since reading it earlier...

Since I am older, MBA/MD with a career in business, I feel I should share something very important with you...

There are SOME people in business who see it as their "GOAL in life" to MANAGE (i.e.-boss around), successful, important people. Let me share how their thought process works:

START THOUGHT BALLOON The more important and successful the person I can boss around, the more important and richer I will be... END THOUGHT BALLOON

Unfortunately, one of the PROBLEMS WITH BUSINESS, that has WORSENED since i started business school is that "MANAGING" (what us MBA graduates never actually wanted to do because it is "beneath" finance and consulting professionals) has become EQUIVALENT TO MONEY ...

ipso facto.. MANAGING (however poorly) increasingly important people means (in some very poor reality) MONEY and even FURTHER IMPORTANCE ... unfortuately doctors aren't the only ones subject to LOSERS like your current "administrator"..

(.. And you can see that the semantics work against us... you are "working", "being managed", having an "adminstrator".. and importantly... your time is being controlled by someone who you have no control over... DON"T IMAGINE THAT THIS IS JUST A COINCIDENCE.... (1)

(1) Source: I have a Graduate degree in Business Administration (it wasn't easy)
 
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And don't forget, there are people, in medical school, WHO'S GOAL IN LIFE IS TO MANAGE DOCTORS..

Being a second to third generation medical professional (my grandmother was a nurse) I find it REPULSIVE...

My advice? Try to make PARTNER.....
 
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Anyone making $34k or more per year is in the top 1% of income earners globally, when adjusted for purchasing power.

Just to help put some of the gloom in perspective.
 
Crap, you guys are once again scaring me about the employed position I've already signed on the dotted line for. I've just been assuming in an employed position, you have no control over your own schedule. Is that not always true? Some of you are talking as though you can decide when to schedule patients. How common is that in an employed position? (This is another area where you don't know what questions to ask until you've had real world experience. I wish I had asked about this on my interview, but the thought never even occurred to me.)
 
Crap, you guys are once again scaring me about the employed position I've already signed on the dotted line for. I've just been assuming in an employed position, you have no control over your own schedule. Is that not always true? Some of you are talking as though you can decide when to schedule patients. How common is that in an employed position? (This is another area where you don't know what questions to ask until you've had real world experience. I wish I had asked about this on my interview, but the thought never even occurred to me.)

Control over your schedule at a Gov't type facility - not likely. All others will be defined in the contract.
 
Crap, you guys are once again scaring me about the employed position I've already signed on the dotted line for. I've just been assuming in an employed position, you have no control over your own schedule. Is that not always true? Some of you are talking as though you can decide when to schedule patients. How common is that in an employed position? (This is another area where you don't know what questions to ask until you've had real world experience. I wish I had asked about this on my interview, but the thought never even occurred to me.)

I have near complete control over my schedule. The only stipulation that I have in my job is that I am NOT to see patients for 15-minute med checks because we are a program that does not believe in substandard care. I currently see my more stable patients or those who won't benefit from therapy for 20 minutes (read: young ADHD kids with no interest in talking to me). I see my other patients (i.e., the majority of my patients) for 40 minutes with psychotherapy. I take 80 minutes for new evaluations. I might expand the length of my new evals a bit, but we will see. They were previously 90 minutes, which I thought worked better. I have near complete control of my schedule. The billers complained a bit when I was billing for psychotherapy + E/M in 30 minute slots, so I just split the times between 20 and 40 minute slots and shut down the grumbling.

Yes, I am employed and with good benefits and productivity bonuses. I do challenge the notion that taking longer to see patients is less financially feasible. You can do just about as well seeing patients for E/M + therapy as you can seeing 2 E/M patients. A 99204 + 99354 (extended servcie) pays pretty close to 2 x 99204s and better than 2 x 99203s. Moreover, I have close to a 90% show rate in my clinic, which also means you're not losing revenue to no shows like some of these CMHCs. That probably has less to do with me and more with building a therapeutic rapport with a patient, which we all know is crucial to a patient doing better in any therapeutic setting. You can bet that if you are just another one of the patient borg who are rushed through a system that encourages physicians and therapists to constantly jump ship that you aren't going to take your role as a patient/borg seriously. These CMHC models are designed to provide substandard care and burn-out patients and providers, alike.

Stepping down from my soapbox, but I'm not sure why we have to supply substandard care. The E/M changes with psychotherapy add-ons really made practicing psychiatry in a better model possible.
 
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Anyone making $34k or more per year is in the top 1% of income earners globally, when adjusted for purchasing power.

Just to help put some of the gloom in perspective.

I would like to hire you as a partner at the above rate in my country. Inquire within.
 

It basically had to do with their lack of understanding of how the E/M codes work. They argued that I needed 25 minutes to do a 99214. I noted that this was based on medical complexity and that I was not billing based on time with the exception of psychotherapy, noting that I actually couldn't do this with a psychotherapy add-on code. They also grumbled a bit about the suggested time being 25 minutes. Nevermind that no PCP (or most other specialistis) in the entire hospital system would come even close to spending 25 minutes of face-to-face time for each 99214 they billed. They were okay with 25+16 = 41 and a 40 minute appointment. I just didn't put up any fight and went with it. I was staying late finishing documentation as it was, and this got them off of my back and gave me extra time to finish documentation, as well.

Pick and choose your battles. I am happy with 90% of where I am working currently.