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Originally Posted by nothen2do
thats not how it works. If you apply to every single school, then thats your chances (of course depending on your stats). Look at the individual school stats. UCSF had in '04 1248 applicants for 82 spots, something like 130 students were accepted I believe. Thats a 10% acceptance rate, so the 50-50 idea is a distortion of the fact.



Are you kidding me? I have never been direct on this forum to anyone, on the contrary, I've been understanding. But I believe you have your facts absolutely wrong.

Let me explain:

1248 applicants for 82 spots - those who didn't make it into this particular school probably got accepted somewhere else.

Lay man terms:

There are ten buses. Each bus fills 50 people. Therefore there are a total of 500 seat available.

IF YOU DID NOT CATCH ON: BUSES = dental schools PEOPLE= students

Say there are 1000 People total. Each person applies for a ticket to ride each of the ten buses. Therefore each bus will recieve 1000 reservations.

Reservations = applications

HOWEVER - common sense tells you that 50% (500/1000) of the People will get a seat on a bus.

Seat = acceptance.

GET IT?

Even though each school may recieve 1000 applicants for 50 spots - there will still probably be a 50 percent chance of you getting in if 9000 people apply for 4500 spots.

If you do not understand this concept - you do not deserve to be a dentist
PERIOD

 

[ItsGavinC]

Even though each school may recieve 1000 applicants for 50 spots - there will still probably be a 50 percent chance of you getting in if 9000 people apply for 4500 spots.

If you do not understand this concept - you do not deserve to be a dentist
PERIOD

Ahh yes, but the concept you seem to not understand is that your logic only works if EVERYBODY applies to EVERY school.

Since NOBODY applies to every school, your logic model doesn't work. There may be 10 buses, but not everybody has a ticket to ride on every bus.

 

[rocknightmare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by nothen2do
thats not how it works. If you apply to every single school, then thats your chances (of course depending on your stats). Look at the individual school stats. UCSF had in '04 1248 applicants for 82 spots, something like 130 students were accepted I believe. Thats a 10% acceptance rate, so the 50-50 idea is a distortion of the fact.



Are you kidding me? I have never been direct on this forum to anyone, on the contrary, I've been understanding. But I believe you have your facts absolutely wrong.

Let me explain:

1248 applicants for 82 spots - those who didn't make it into this particular school probably got accepted somewhere else.

Lay man terms:

There are ten buses. Each bus fills 50 people. Therefore there are a total of 500 seat available.

IF YOU DID NOT CATCH ON: BUSES = dental schools PEOPLE= students

Say there are 1000 People total. Each person applies for a ticket to ride each of the ten buses. Therefore each bus will recieve 1000 reservations.

Reservations = applications

HOWEVER - common sense tells you that 50% (500/1000) of the People will get a seat on a bus.

Seat = acceptance.

GET IT?

Even though each school may recieve 1000 applicants for 50 spots - there will still probably be a 50 percent chance of you getting in if 9000 people apply for 4500 spots.

If you do not understand this concept - you do not deserve to be a dentist
PERIOD

my god why is there so much hostility going on around the last two weeks?? didn't the april showers bring the may flowers????

 

[ianwright]

Ahh yes, but the concept you seem to not understand is that your logic only works if EVERYBODY applies to EVERY school.

Since NOBODY applies to every school, your logic model doesn't work. There may be 10 buses, but not everybody has a ticket to ride on every bus.

Hey buddy - I was reffering to a Utopian model

Even though not all 1000 people will apply for a ticket on every bus, there will still be a large majorit that do. For instance:

600 apply for bus 1
541 apply for bus 2
920 apply for bus 3
679 apply for bus 4 and so on...

NO MATTER WHAT: THERE ARE 500 SEATS AVAILABLE AND 1000 PASSANGERS - IT WILL BE 50/50 IF 9000 PEOPLE APPLY FOR 4500 spots !!!

 

[Audio]

Quote:
Originally Posted by nothen2do
thats not how it works. If you apply to every single school, then thats your chances (of course depending on your stats). Look at the individual school stats. UCSF had in '04 1248 applicants for 82 spots, something like 130 students were accepted I believe. Thats a 10% acceptance rate, so the 50-50 idea is a distortion of the fact.



Are you kidding me? I have never been direct on this forum to anyone, on the contrary, I've been understanding. But I believe you have your facts absolutely wrong.

Let me explain:

1248 applicants for 82 spots - those who didn't make it into this particular school probably got accepted somewhere else.

Lay man terms:

There are ten buses. Each bus fills 50 people. Therefore there are a total of 500 seat available.

IF YOU DID NOT CATCH ON: BUSES = dental schools PEOPLE= students

Say there are 1000 People total. Each person applies for a ticket to ride each of the ten buses. Therefore each bus will recieve 1000 reservations.

Reservations = applications

HOWEVER - common sense tells you that 50% (500/1000) of the People will get a seat on a bus.

Seat = acceptance.

GET IT?

Even though each school may recieve 1000 applicants for 50 spots - there will still probably be a 50 percent chance of you getting in if 9000 people apply for 4500 spots.

If you do not understand this concept - you do not deserve to be a dentist
PERIOD

I wonder how you did on the QR section 🙄

 

[ianwright]

I wonder how you did on the QR section 🙄

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[ItsGavinC]

Hey buddy - I was reffering to a Utopian model

Even though not all 1000 people will apply for a ticket on every bus, there will still be a large majorit that do. For instance:

600 apply for bus 1
541 apply for bus 2
920 apply for bus 3
679 apply for bus 4 and so on...

NO MATTER WHAT: THERE ARE 500 SEATS AVAILABLE AND 1000 PASSANGERS - IT WILL BE 50/50 IF 9000 PEOPLE APPLY FOR 4500 spots !!!

Not at all true. Your math doesn't even come close to working out. There are only "500 seats available and 1000 passengers" if each of those passengers has a ticket for every bus, or if each applicant applies to all possible schools.

Further, applicants are chosen based on merit, not simply on applying. It is completely feasible that a poor applicant could apply to 10 schools and not get a single acceptance. Try telling them that they had a 50/50 shot and they'll tell you that you are crazy (which your logic is).

And, contrary to your belief, there won't even be close to a "large majority of people" who apply to every school. The average applicant will apply to 15-25% of schools. That's not even close to every school.

 

[ianwright]

Not at all true. Your math doesn't even come close to working out. There are only "500 seats available and 1000 passengers" if each of those passengers has a ticket for every bus, or if each applicant applies to all possible schools.

Further, applicants are chosen based on merit, not simply on applying. It is completely feasible that a poor applicant could apply to 10 schools and not get a single acceptance. Try telling them that they had a 50/50 shot and they'll tell you that you are crazy (which your logic is).

And, contrary to your belief, there won't even be close to a "large majority of people" who apply to every school. The average applicant will apply to 15-25% of schools. That's not even close to every school.

SECOND YEAR DENTAL STUDENT?

When I say someone has a 50/50 shot at making it into dental school: I am speaking of the 7537 applicants that applied two years ago, and the 4372 that got in.

That is a general statement that for every person that makes it in, one will get denied.

And if you carefully read my reasoning - you would find it make PERFECT sense.

SOMEONE - PLEASE BACK ME UP ON THIS !!!

 

[IWuvTeef]

i believe Gavin is making more sense.

 

[netsn06]

SECOND YEAR DENTAL STUDENT?

When I say someone has a 50/50 shot at making it into dental school: I am speaking of the 7537 applicants that applied two years ago, and the 4372 that got in.

That is a general statement that for every person that makes it in, one will get denied.

And if you carefully read my reasoning - you would find it make PERFECT sense.

SOMEONE - PLEASE BACK ME UP ON THIS !!!

oddly enough, as i found myself laughing to many of his previous posts during this rampage due to ludacrousness, yet scoffing to myself when things are just dumb, i think in the op's self-defined parameters his logic does make sense.

while true that to a qualified app the odds of making it are high, and to a poor app the odds are low, i think the op states the odds comparing applicants not as applicants, but purely as people w/ no stats. therefore, if i am a high school senior planning on applying to d school in 3 years, and my friend is in the same situation, and we are the only two people applying for 1 spot in 1 school, and we have no stats yet, it's a 50% chance i'll get in (in 3 years).

throw individual scenarios into the mix and u can't make any generality of odds for any one applicant.

 

[ianwright]

oddly enough, as i found myself laughing to many of his previous posts during this rampage due to ludacrousness, yet scoffing to myself when things are just dumb, i think in the op's self-defined parameters his logic does make sense.

while true that to a qualified app the odds of making it are high, and to a poor app the odds are low, i think the op states the odds comparing applicants not as applicants, but purely as people w/ no stats. therefore, if i am a high school senior planning on applying to d school in 3 years, and my friend is in the same situation, and we are the only two people applying for 1 spot in 1 school, and we have no stats yet, it's a 50% chance i'll get in (in 3 years).

throw individual scenarios into the mix and u can't make any generality of odds for any one applicant.

FINALLY !!! thank you

 

[Rezdawg]

I get the point of the original model and it does make sense, to a certain degree.

Gavin brought up some of its deficiencies, but overall, I can see what the OP is saying. And I only pulled a 20 on QR.

 

[ianwright]

I get the point of the original model and it does make sense, to a certain degree.

Gavin brought up some of its deficiencies, but overall, I can see what the OP is saying. And I only pulled a 20 on QR.

Thanks Rezdawg - Only a 20? Good Job!
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keep your friends close - but your enemies closer
-the art of war

 

[rocknightmare]

SECOND YEAR DENTAL STUDENT?

When I say someone has a 50/50 shot at making it into dental school: I am speaking of the 7537 applicants that applied two years ago, and the 4372 that got in.

That is a general statement that for every person that makes it in, one will get denied.

And if you carefully read my reasoning - you would find it make PERFECT sense.

SOMEONE - PLEASE BACK ME UP ON THIS !!!

no🙂

 

[Comet208]

25

and a 5th time applicant??

 

[ianwright]

no🙂

😎 (yeah - your cool) 😎

 

[Comet208]

😎 (yeah - your cool) 😎

you too....

how do you manage to post once every 2 min??

 

[ianwright]

you too....

how do you manage to post once every 2 min??

because:

I'm COOL
😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎 😎

 

[ianwright]

and a 5th time applicant??

How did you know?

 

[DDSdude]

SECOND YEAR DENTAL STUDENT?

When I say someone has a 50/50 shot at making it into dental school: I am speaking of the 7537 applicants that applied two years ago, and the 4372 that got in.

That is a general statement that for every person that makes it in, one will get denied.

And if you carefully read my reasoning - you would find it make PERFECT sense.

SOMEONE - PLEASE BACK ME UP ON THIS !!!

I understand the point you are trying to make, but taking into consideration the "reality" of what the number of applicants vs. the schools they applied to is, it doesn't come to a 50/50 shot. You need to take into consideration the chances of getting in based on the applicants qualifications.

Some students throw their hook in the water to see if they get a hit without working on being a competitive applicant. For example. Someone applies with a lower than average set of stats and experience than the schools average. Their chances on a "real" level are not in any way 50/50 shot. Generalities may help some deal with the reality of applying to dental school, but the fact of the matter is you have to break it down to the individual school, the number of applicants, how well the applicant scores within that schools criteria, residency status, private school, etc to really come up with legitimate chances of getting in. Once in a while it can have a little to do with luck.

 

[DDSdude]

How did you know?

Are you a 5th time applicant?

 

[ianwright]

I understand the point you are trying to make, but taking into consideration the "reality" of what the number of applicants vs. the schools they applied to is, it doesn't come to a 50/50 shot. You need to take into consideration the chances of getting in based on the applicants qualifications.

Some students throw their hook in the water to see if they get a hit without working on being a competitive applicant. For example. Someone applies with a lower than average set of stats and experience than the schools average. Their chances on a "real" level are not in any way 50/50 shot. Generalities may help some deal with the reality of applying to dental school, but the fact of the matter is you have to break it down to the individual school, the number of applicants, how well the applicant scores within that schools criteria, residency status, private school, etc to really come up with legitimate chances of getting in. Once in a while it can have a little to do with luck.

DDSDude - you said it 10 x better than I or anyone elso could

Good Job!

 

[Comet208]

How did you know?

maybe you talk (post) too much!! 😀

 

[ianwright]

maybe you talk (post) too much!! 😀

lol

 

[*Tooth*fairy*]

25

Originally posted by ianwright: "Hello fellow future student doctors. I've been reading all your comments for the past two years now, and this is my first post. I wanted some honest opinions about my chances for dental school. Good/Average/Bad - just hit me with it!

I personally feel I'm an average student - (not a good thing). I'd like to think of my self representing all those average students out there!

Major: Biology

Science GPA: 2.90 (darn calculus grades - 2 F's)
BCP: 3.10
Non-Science: 3.19
Overall: 3.02

DAT's - will take soon

Extra's: 20hrs shadowing (yep - thats it) any suggestions what I should do this late into the process?

I would appreciate any kind of input/feedback"

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=200171)

Wow for someone who, as of yesterday, has not even taken the DAT you sure scored pretty high on the QR!

 

[ianwright]

Originally posted by ianwright: "Hello fellow future student doctors. I've been reading all your comments for the past two years now, and this is my first post. I wanted some honest opinions about my chances for dental school. Good/Average/Bad - just hit me with it!

I personally feel I'm an average student - (not a good thing). I'd like to think of my self representing all those average students out there!

Major: Biology

Science GPA: 2.90 (darn calculus grades - 2 F's)
BCP: 3.10
Non-Science: 3.19
Overall: 3.02

DAT's - will take soon

Extra's: 20hrs shadowing (yep - thats it) any suggestions what I should do this late into the process?

I would appreciate any kind of input/feedback"

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=200171)

Wow for someone who, as of yesterday, has not even taken the DAT you sure scored pretty high on the QR!

25 on a kaplan practice wise guy !!!

 

[*Tooth*fairy*]

25 on a kaplan practice wise guy !!!

So are you saying you've never taken the realy DAT yet?

 

[ianwright]

So are you saying you've never taken the realy DAT yet?

YES

 

[jdcinza13]

I made $650,000 in the stock market in one year. However, it was one of the websites that teach you how to invest, so does that mean I actually have $650,000 in my bank account????

An old adage: Never count your chickens before they hatch, unless you're Ianwright taking the DAT.

 

[ianwright]

I made $650,000 in the stock market in one year. However, it was one of the websites that teach you how to invest, so does that mean I actually have $650,000 in my bank account????

 

[*Tooth*fairy*]

YES

UUUUUUUGH:

Orginally posted by ianwright: "Today's Words of Encouragement!

This is my fifth year applying to dental school

Hey, but thats life - (you make some money, then you die)

KEEP SMILING!"

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=200278

So apparently you are a fifth time applicant who has never taken the DAT (well at least we know why you didn't get in the first four times), and according to your other posts you don't know how to fill out the application either. Sheesh if you're gonna BS at least be consistent.

 

[ianwright]

I made $650,000 in the stock market in one year. However, it was one of the websites that teach you how to invest, so does that mean I actually have $650,000 in my bank account????

An old adage: Never count your chickens before they hatch, unless you're Ianwright taking the DAT.

Investing money into stock market: 200 dollars
Reaping rewards after one year: 650,200 dollars
Realizing your on a fantasy stock market site: priceless

There are somethings a dental degree can get you out of, for everthing else there's (well, see above) that guy!

 

[DDSdude]

Investing money into stock market: 200 dollars
Reaping rewards after one year: 650,200 dollars
Realizing your on a fantasy stock market site: priceless

There are somethings a dental degree can get you out of, for everthing else there's (well, see above) that guy!

Ummm, repost.

 

[jdcinza13]

Every forum has a ***** that thinks they know everything but know nothing coupled with an inferiority complex. This cycle my vote is going for:

ianwright

 

[ianwright]

Ummm, repost.

?

 

[DDSdude]

I made $650,000 in the stock market in one year. However, it was one of the websites that teach you how to invest, so does that mean I actually have $650,000 in my bank account????

An old adage: Never count your chickens before they hatch, unless you're Ianwright taking the DAT.

That website you speak of is actually my company. Thank you for your support and business. I apologize for taking away your access to the site but you were beating all of my other customers and they began losing confidence. Good luck to you in your future investments... 👍 😀

 

[ianwright]

Every forum has a ***** that thinks they know everything but know nothing coupled with an inferiority complex. This cycle my vote is going for:

ianwright

let me start of by apologizing, sorry