pediatric interventional cardiology

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hello
Any peds interventional cardiologist out there?
I know there were older posts about this but some questions were never answered back then and I was hoping people know more about this field now.
How competitive is it to get a training position in ped interventional cards? ( I know there are only a few places that offer it)
How much do they make? (seems hard to find online)
lifestyle?
Job outlook?
3rd year med student interested in peds card and possibly interventional
thanks

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Inteventional job market is very tough right now. No one can tell you what it will be in eight years, when you'd be looking for a job.
 
The pay isn’t going to be anywhere near the adult counterparts. Probably not even half. Mainly because peds interventional is a very small world and even smaller in the private sector. So you are likely going to be limited to a larger academic institution. And being that kids don’t need interventions as much, the declining centers that offer interventions on pediatric patients, it is leading to manufactures not devoting R&D time to pediatric patients, resulting in less equipment and less people offering it. From what i understand, unless you are an academic powerhouse (which will likely be your lowest paying option), you can’t make a career on peds interventional alone. It will be a smaller part of your general cards practice.
 
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Impossible to predict anything 8 years from now, but I matched in peds cardiology fellowship recently and I might be able to answer some of your questions.

How competitive is it to get a training position in ped interventional cards?
Different from year to a year. Peds intervention card is NOT an ACGME fellowship, funding usually comes from the training hospital, so they may be willing to train someone, but simply don't have the money to do so. Many programs are busy, and they have the money, but because the job market is tough now (not only for interventional, but also general peds cardiology and EP), some programs have stopped training people until further notice.

How much do they make?
I don't now, but as someone said, jobs are usually at the large academic centers, and just because you work in an academic center, this will lower your pay significantly.

lifestyle?
Not bad. Your normal weekday (1-2 days a week) will be busy doing cases, which is a good thing if you love it. You will rarely get called in during night to preform a procedure (not like adults).

Job outlook?
It was bad, but it also comes in waves, during my interview trail, I saw many young faculty that were appointed recently (within the past 5 years), and many old folks are retiring, but again, no body knows what will happen 8 years from now. Google "Pediatric cardiology workforce", a nice report about the current (well, was published in 2016) and the future prospect of the the job market in all aspects of pediatric cardiology.

Remember, you have to love pediatric medicine, and more importantly pediatric cardiology before thinking about interventional, if you love them, even if 8 years from now the job marker is still tight, you can do tons of different thing in peds cardiology (ICU, heart failure, PHTN, imaging...etc).
 
Just out of curiosity, what’s the bread and butter of pediatric interventional cards? There can’t be the CAD that keeps our adult guys’ BMW payments current. Endomyocardial biopsies for transplant patients? RHCs for congenital defects?
 
Just out of curiosity, what’s the bread and butter of pediatric interventional cards? There can’t be the CAD that keeps our adult guys’ BMW payments current. Endomyocardial biopsies for transplant patients? RHCs for congenital defects?
Pulmonary and systemic pressures, gradients and anatomy
 
Pulmonary and systemic pressures, gradients and anatomy

Caths for pressures and anatomies are not as common as in previous years because of improvements in non-invasive imaging. However, ASD and PDA closures are still very common. Aortic and Pulmonary valves are becoming much more common place.
 
Valves as in valvuloplasties, or full on replacements a la TAVR?
 
What does the job of the non-interventional pediatric cardiologist look like in terms of procedures?
I realize that a big part of the job is imaging-- with additional fellowships in echo and MR. But what can I do if I'm not interested in imaging, and interested in more of the procedural stuff with this dismal job market? I know CICU is an option as well. But what about after just 3 years of peds cardio fellowship?
 
Also, applying to peds residencies now. If I am at all interested in peds cardio-- should I be looking to match somewhere for residency with a pediatric cardiology fellowship in place?
 
What does the job of the non-interventional pediatric cardiologist look like in terms of procedures?
I realize that a big part of the job is imaging-- with additional fellowships in echo and MR. But what can I do if I'm not interested in imaging, and interested in more of the procedural stuff with this dismal job market? I know CICU is an option as well. But what about after just 3 years of peds cardio fellowship?
Also, applying to peds residencies now. If I am at all interested in peds cardio-- should I be looking to match somewhere for residency with a pediatric cardiology fellowship in place?

The cardiologists can weigh in further, but most of the procedural stuff is going to go to those with more specialized training - interventional, EP, and CICU. Will depend on the program and who feels comfortable with what in regards to operative TEE and if that's limited to the imaging people or not...also surgeon preference can matter. Also, keep in mind that a vast majority of TTE's will actually done by the echo techs, so it's not even like the general cardiologists are doing a ton of those either.

As for the second question, I don't think it is an absolute requirement and there are pros and cons.

In general, I think if you are going toward fellowship, you should go someplace that has at least some sort of fellowship program. More specifically, if you're leading towards an acute/inpatient based field, it would be better to go some place that has PEM, PICU, NICU, Cards or even Pulm/GI/heme onc fellows, as I think you'll benefit from having a role model while a resident. Even just having someone to bounce questions off of regarding the general process can be helpful regardless of field. That said, if you're looking cards, talking with the developmental peds or adolescent fellow might not be as useful.

Going to a place with a cards fellowship will obviously garner a lot more connections, is likely to have a more active research apparatus, and of course those role model fellows with specific expertise towards your situation. I don't think those benefits are a surprise. The downsides might be, particularly at the bigger centers that have advanced fellows as well, is that you won't have near the same opportunities to get involved in those activities if you're in line behind the junior faculty, the advanced fellows, and then the general cards fellows. One of my best friends from residency (now doing interventional) specifically avoided some of the biggest name fellowships because she saw they were taking 5-6 fellows per year along with multiple advance fellows and she felt the experience would be watered down compared to some of the smaller fellowship programs. If that's the case with the actual fellows, then it's hard to assume it won't be even worse for the residents.

If you really like a residency program that doesn't have a cardiology fellowship but is otherwise doing some degree of scholarly output, I think it can work out for you. No matter where you end up though, you'll need to excel as a resident, make sure the cardiologists know you want to go into cards, and put in the extra work necessary to build your CV.
 
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