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I have seen many people here in SDN who are fortunate to have multiple acceptances. Some are with two and others are with four or more acceptances. Many of them are still undecided on the school they wanted to enroll even at this point in the cycle. So they are holding all the acceptances. When these people finally tell the schools that they won't be enrolling, it will be so late. Because those schools might have already rejected many applicants even without interviews. We all understand that choosing a school may be harder and depend on many factors, but please be quick on those decisions. So that another student will get accepted or atleast get an interview. Thank you.:luck:
 
I have seen many people here in SDN who are fortunate to have multiple acceptances. Some are with two and others are with four or more acceptances. Many of them are still undecided on the school they wanted to enroll even at this point in the cycle. So they are holding all the acceptances. When these people finally tell the schools that they won't be enrolling, it will be so late. Because those schools might have already rejected many applicants even without interviews. We all understand that choosing a school may be harder and depend on many factors, but please be quick on those decisions. So that another student will get accepted or atleast get an interview. Thank you.:luck:

You're not the boss of me.

Also, I'm not sure you quite understand how the process works.
 
I have seen many people here in SDN who are fortunate to have multiple acceptances. Some are with two and others are with four or more acceptances. Many of them are still undecided on the school they wanted to enroll even at this point in the cycle. So they are holding all the acceptances. When these people finally tell the schools that they won't be enrolling, it will be so late. Because those schools might have already rejected many applicants even without interviews. We all understand that choosing a school may be harder and depend on many factors, but please be quick on those decisions. So that another student will get accepted or atleast get an interview. Thank you.:luck:

1. Schools interview FAR more applicants than they would ever accept. An applicant turning down an acceptance does not influence your chances of an interview. This is why they have a waitlist -- the waitlist is generally for students who have already interviewed.

2. We are all still waiting on financial aid. At least one of my schools will not be offering aid until May 1st. Whether you loved or hated School X, if they offer you $150K over 4 years, you'll want to consider that offer seriously.

3. Yes it is very late in the process. Blame the AAMC if you want to blame someone. They're the ones that dictate that schools can drag out the process this long.
 
1. Schools interview FAR more applicants than they would ever accept. An applicant turning down an acceptance does not influence your chances of an interview. This is why they have a waitlist -- the waitlist is generally for students who have already interviewed.

2. We are all still waiting on financial aid. At least one of my schools will not be offering aid until May 1st. Whether you loved or hated School X, if they offer you $150K over 4 years, you'll want to consider that offer seriously.

3. Yes it is very late in the process. Blame the AAMC if you want to blame someone. They're the ones that dictate that schools can drag out the process this long.

This is all exactly correct.

Blame AMCAS, or blame the process, or blame the schools particularly on being slow with finaid packages, but do not blame people for exercising their rights under the AMCAS rules.

No doubt about it, waitlist people are in a tough situation. But until the deadline passes, schools will not know how many people to take off the waitlists. This is a problem with the process and the deadline, a problem for schools and waitlisters, but it is not a problem created by students with multiple acceptances.

And people holding multiple acceptances has absolutely nothing to do with someone's chances at an interview...
 
1. Schools interview FAR more applicants than they would ever accept. An applicant turning down an acceptance does not influence your chances of an interview. This is why they have a waitlist -- the waitlist is generally for students who have already interviewed.
You are right. But if there is an extra opening, they will accept one from the waitlist, atleast waitlist one more person, and interview one more person, than reject him outright.

2. We are all still waiting on financial aid. At least one of my schools will not be offering aid until May 1st. Whether you loved or hated School X, if they offer you $150K over 4 years, you'll want to consider that offer seriously.
I totally agree. There are even more deciding factors. If that is the case, it is ok. I'm not blaming anyone on their choice, rather it is just a request since there are so many without interviews or acceptances.
 
I can't take anything seriously that is written in Comic Sans.
 
I have seen many people here in SDN who are fortunate to have multiple acceptances. Some are with two and others are with four or more acceptances. Many of them are still undecided on the school they wanted to enroll even at this point in the cycle. So they are holding all the acceptances. When these people finally tell the schools that they won't be enrolling, it will be so late. Because those schools might have already rejected many applicants even without interviews. We all understand that choosing a school may be harder and depend on many factors, but please be quick on those decisions. So that another student will get accepted or atleast get an interview. Thank you.:luck:

It is posts like these that make me wish I had held all my acceptances until May 14...
 
You are right. But if there is an extra opening, they will accept one from the waitlist, atleast waitlist one more person, and interview one more person, than reject him outright.

No, they won't interview one more person.

A school might interview 2,000 people for 150 spots (depends on the school). They plan to interview 2,000 before the cycle even starts. They are not going to increase or decrease that number based on who accepts them or rejects them. They have plenty of people to choose from at the outset.

Most schools are either done interviewing or close to done interviewing at this point. Your odds of an interview are not contigent on someone else's decision to attend.
 
I have seen many people here in SDN who are fortunate to have multiple acceptances. Some are with two and others are with four or more acceptances. Many of them are still undecided on the school they wanted to enroll even at this point in the cycle. So they are holding all the acceptances. When these people finally tell the schools that they won't be enrolling, it will be so late. Because those schools might have already rejected many applicants even without interviews. We all understand that choosing a school may be harder and depend on many factors, but please be quick on those decisions. So that another student will get accepted or atleast get an interview. Thank you.:luck:


Let's see, it's the second week in April and you have no acceptances and no interviews. Your best course of action is to make sure that you have made some improvements to your application and be ready to submit it as early as you can for the next cycle.

If you are on a waitlist, you stand a chance of getting off during the May 15 movement but having your application ready for a resubmit is not a bad idea either especially if you are on one waitlist and you interviewed late in the season meaning that there are plenty of people in front of you.

Most schools are have interviewed (and in the case of my two schools) have accepted all of the students that they intend to accept. Chastising people who are holding acceptances won't help you much. Getting your stuff organized and ready to go for next year (provided you have upgraded your deficiencies that kept you out) will help you get in.
 
They are not going to increase or decrease that number based on who accepts them or rejects them. They have plenty of people to choose from at the outset.
I'm not quite sure if that is the case. It is an ongoing process. If many people are rejected outright and they will tend to interview some more to fill the spots. Or If they have their required number of accepted students and waitlist students, then they may reject others.
 
I'm not quite sure if that is the case. It is an ongoing process. If many people are rejected outright and they will tend to interview some more to fill the spots. Or If they have their required number of accepted students and waitlist students, then they may reject others.

Waitlists *tend* to be at least 200-300% of the class size. If not considerably greater. I know for a fact of one school that has waitlisted 400+% of class size. Waitlists are made from a pre-determined number of interviewees.

Schools create waitlists expecting to take students off of it. They will not increase the waitlist because students are coming off of it. The waitlist is already a mile long as it is.

If you are in the situation njbmd describes, you should probably take her advice.
 
I'm not quite sure if that is the case. It is an ongoing process. If many people are rejected outright and they will tend to interview some more to fill the spots. Or If they have their required number of accepted students and waitlist students, then they may reject others.

It is an ongoing process, but interviewing is all but over at virtually all med schools - there may be exceptions - but granting new interviews after, say, mid March came to a grinding halt just about everywhere.

The process now is going to the waitlist as needed. If a school really did need to increase the size of its waitlist, it could always dig back into the pile of interviewees - it would not need to schedule new interviews in April or May. But the reality is that no school ever runs out of qualified candidates on their waitlist.
 
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Waitlists *tend* to be at least 200-300% of the class size. If not considerably greater. I know for a fact of one school that has waitlisted 400+% of class size. Waitlists are made from a pre-determined number of interviewees.

Schools create waitlists expecting to take students off of it. They will not increase the waitlist because students are coming off of it. The waitlist is already a mile long as it is.

If you are in the situation njbmd describes, you should probably take her advice.

I know of another school that outright told us that they would waitlist every single interviewee that they didn't accept.

Basically
(1) Your chances of getting in without an interview at this point are nearly 0.

(2) Schools have predetermined numbers of people that they will interview, representing a fraction of all applicants.

(3) Schools only have the capacity to perform so many interviews and they take into account that not all accepted applicants will choose to attend.
 
I'm not quite sure if that is the case. It is an ongoing process. If many people are rejected outright and they will tend to interview some more to fill the spots. Or If they have their required number of accepted students and waitlist students, then they may reject others.

While I feel your pain, even if you got an interview at this point, you'd be deep in the waitlists. What makes you think that a student dropping an acceptance is going to make the school look at the applicants and think "Wohhhh...I can't believe we missed this kid! Let's interview him ASAP!" Like someone else said, their waitlists are already a mile long. Students dropping acceptances aren't going to make a difference. They overaccept with the knowledge that many will drop them. This is why they already have a waitlist a mile long.
 
BTW, med schools give out more acceptances than their seat availability just for the reason that some will decline 🙂
 
Waitlists *tend* to be at least 200-300% of the class size. If not considerably greater. I know for a fact of one school that has waitlisted 400+% of class size. Waitlists are made from a pre-determined number of interviewees.

Schools create waitlists expecting to take students off of it. They will not increase the waitlist because students are coming off of it. The waitlist is already a mile long as it is.

If you are in the situation njbmd describes, you should probably take her advice.
Even that is the case, just imagine this.
Last year One guy in my school, who was waitlisted at 2 MD schools and accepted at one DO. He waited, finally gave up and prepared everything for the out of state DO school (housing, moving expenses). But somewhere around in July-Aug he was accepted from the waitlist into the instate MD where he is a student now (lost lot of money and time arranging everything for DO).

Again, I'm not blaming or Chastising anyone for their success. If you are truely fixed with a school (area, housing, Fin aid, scholarships, curriculum etc) and can withdraw from the others, then withdraw on time. The ultimate decision is yours.
 
Even that is the case, just imagine this.
Last year One guy in my school, who was waitlisted at 2 MD schools and accepted at one DO. He waited, finally gave up and prepared everything for the out of state DO school (housing, moving expenses). But somewhere around in July-Aug he was accepted from the waitlist into the instate MD where he is a student now (lost lot of money and time arranging everything for DO).

He was waitlisted and accepted without an interview?

Or he was waitlisted after having already been invited for an interview?
 
He was waitlisted and accepted without an interview?

Or he was waitlisted after having already been invited for an interview?
Waitlisted after interview
 
Waitlisted after interview

Makes a difference.

I'm not saying people can't get in off the waitlist. Some schools take 2/3rds or more of their class from the waitlist. I'm saying an interview won't suddenly materialize because someone else got off the waitlist.

If you ARE on waitlists, you can call the school to find out if they rank the waitlist and if you can find out where you are ranked (many schools don't give out this information).

In any event, many schools (not all) will not accept from the waitlist until after May 15th. So if I give up my acceptance now, you might not know the seat is open until then.
 
Makes a difference.

I'm not saying people can't get in off the waitlist. Some schools take 2/3rds or more of their class from the waitlist. I'm saying an interview won't suddenly materialize because someone else got off the waitlist.

If you ARE on waitlists, you can call the school to find out if they rank the waitlist and if you can find out where you are ranked (many schools don't give out this information).

In any event, many schools (not all) will not accept from the waitlist until after May 15th. So if I give up my acceptance now, you might not know the seat is open until then.
Just clarify my point. They waitlisted him, since they thought he was a good match for their school. They would have accepted him way early, if the other person would have withdrawn sooner. I'm not blaming the other person, since the decision depends on various circumstances. If you really can, then do it on time.
 
Just clarify my point. They waitlisted him, since they thought he was a good match for their school. They would have accepted him way early, if the other person would have withdrawn sooner. I'm not blaming the other person, since the decision depends on various circumstances. If you really can, then do it on time.

How do you know?

They have tons of qualified applicants. Trust me, all my rejection letters say so :laugh:
 
They would have accepted him way early, if the other person would have withdrawn sooner.

For some schools this is true, for other schools this is not true.

For example, I'm waitlisted at Pittsburgh. I was waitlisted in October. Back in October, Pittsburgh told me that they would not be taking people from the waitlist until May (regardless of who accepts or declines acceptances).

Make sense?
 
They have tons of qualified applicants. Trust me, all my rejection letters say so :laugh:

😛😛 Yeah, rumor has it most medical schools have more qualified applicants than they can accept at this time. 😳 Dangit.
 
Even that is the case, just imagine this.
Last year One guy in my school, who was waitlisted at 2 MD schools and accepted at one DO. He waited, finally gave up and prepared everything for the out of state DO school (housing, moving expenses). But somewhere around in July-Aug he was accepted from the waitlist into the instate MD where he is a student now (lost lot of money and time arranging everything for DO).

wow, stop arguing please because you are DEAD WRONG.

this had nothing to do with people dropping multiple acceptances late. EVERYONE has to hold only ONE acceptance after May 15 after which every school accepts people from the waitlist until they have a full class. People who are pulled from the waitlist only have two weeks to make a decision and after those two weeks they have to be holding only one acceptance. this process causes a ripple effect as someone else gets taken off the waitlist and drops an acceptance etc etc. having people drop their multiple acceptances earlier than may 15 doesn't really make a difference at all to those waitlisted since schools have accepted more people than they have seats and you will probably not start seeing significant waitlist movement until after may 15 when the waters are clearer. i'm sorry if you haven't had the type of luck you were hoping for this cycle but that's noone's fault but your own.
 
😛😛 Yeah, rumor has it most medical schools have more qualified applicants than they can accept at this time. 😳 Dangit.

I think it was BU, not sure, but one of my rejection letters told me it was the school's loss for not being able to accept me. 🙄
 
1. Schools interview FAR more applicants than they would ever accept. An applicant turning down an acceptance does not influence your chances of an interview. This is why they have a waitlist -- the waitlist is generally for students who have already interviewed.

2. We are all still waiting on financial aid. At least one of my schools will not be offering aid until May 1st. Whether you loved or hated School X, if they offer you $150K over 4 years, you'll want to consider that offer seriously.

3. Yes it is very late in the process. Blame the AAMC if you want to blame someone. They're the ones that dictate that schools can drag out the process this long.

This.

Just clarify my point. They waitlisted him, since they thought he was a good match for their school. They would have accepted him way early, if the other person would have withdrawn sooner. I'm not blaming the other person, since the decision depends on various circumstances. If you really can, then do it on time.

On time=May 15.
 
Even that is the case, just imagine this.
Last year One guy in my school, who was waitlisted at 2 MD schools and accepted at one DO. He waited, finally gave up and prepared everything for the out of state DO school (housing, moving expenses). But somewhere around in July-Aug he was accepted from the waitlist into the instate MD where he is a student now (lost lot of money and time arranging everything for DO).

wow, stop arguing please because you are DEAD WRONG.

this had nothing to do with people dropping multiple acceptances late. EVERYONE has to hold only ONE acceptance after May 15 after which every school accepts people from the waitlist until they have a full class. People who are pulled from the waitlist only have two weeks to make a decision and after those two weeks they have to be holding only one acceptance. this process causes a ripple effect as someone else gets taken off the waitlist and drops an acceptance etc etc. having people drop their multiple acceptances earlier than may 15 doesn't really make a difference at all to those waitlisted since schools have accepted more people than they have seats and you will probably not start seeing significant waitlist movement until after may 15 when the waters are clearer. i'm sorry if you haven't had the type of luck you were hoping for this cycle but that's noone's fault but your own.
 
For some schools this is true, for other schools this is not true.

For example, I'm waitlisted at Pittsburgh. I was waitlisted in October. Back in October, Pittsburgh told me that they would not be taking people from the waitlist until May (regardless of who accepts or declines acceptances).

Make sense?
True. Since we do not know which schools do this and which don't, and none of us are 100% certain about individual school's methods of acceptance( interview, waitlist, etc), the only thing that we can do is, do the right thing (only if you can). Thats it.
 
True. Since we do not know which schools do this and which don't, and none of us are 100% certain about individual school's methods of acceptance( interview, waitlist, etc), the only thing that we can do is, do the right thing (only if you can). Thats it.

It's fairly safe to assume that most schools will not be considering their waitlist until May 15th unless they explicitly tell you otherwise.

You can definitely, 100% assume that your interview spot is not contigent on anyone else's acceptances, rejections or otherwise.

If you want to know which schools have stopped interviewing at this point (and most have) you should contact the schools directly.
 
Again, just to reiterate, schools have a set number of interview invites. If you haven't gotten an invite, they're not going to invite you because someone turned down an acceptance.

I hate to dash any glimmer of hope you had if you're still waiting on more interviews, but pretty much the interviews you've had at this point is what you're gonna get. Start working your update letters/letters of intent, and start re-tooling your app in case you need to reapply. That will be much higher-yield than wasting time asking people on the internet to give up spots that the vast majority still have good reason for holding onto.
 
OP, you seem to be ignoring the fact that Pianola and others have mentioned, which is that the VAST majority of med schools don't start dipping into the waitlist until after May 15th. Every school from which I was waitlisted told me not to expect any movement until then. It isn't just that they expect people to drop their acceptances until the last minute (aka if people were to drop them earlier, waitlists would move earlier), it's that they simply plan to not deal with the class size/ waitlist issue until after May 15th. They don't have to, so they don't want to.

Once they have made all their acceptance offers, their job is to sweeten the pot for those they have accepted so as to maintain high yield (with financial aid, second look, stuff like that). They don't want to deal with the waitlist yet, so they don't. The school from which I dropped my acceptance hasn't gotten into the waitlist yet, so I could have waited another month and it wouldn't have made a difference.

The friend of you who got in in July, got in because someone with an acceptance at an entirely different school dropped out, giving the spot to someone on the waitlist who had a couple of weeks to decide whether it was worth it to change his/her plans, who then dropped his/her acceptance, giving someone else 2 weeks to decide what to do, etc. That's why it takes forever. I bet there was some kid on the waitlist at your friend's DO school who would have liked getting off of it earlier. Is it your friend's fault that that wasn't possible?
 
This is not group hug time. This is a competition. Every man/woman for him/herself. You really expect mostly Type A strangers on the internet to care about your situation? And care enough to turn down their acceptances?

I scoff.
 
This is not group hug time. This is a competition. Every man/woman for him/herself. You really expect mostly Type A strangers on the internet to care about your situation? And care enough to turn down their acceptances?

I scoff.

Well, within one month we will turn down any extra acceptances -- we have to.

And in the mean time, even if she is on the waiting list at the exact school that I was accepted to, there is no guarantee that the school would notify her about the vacancy until May 15th (assuming she was first on the waitlist for my position, of course).

I mean, I definitely wish the OP luck, but luck was not what she was asking for. She was asking us to turn down a position with an unknown financial aid offer attached. For no very clear benefit to herself or anyone else. *shrug*
 
Well, within one month we will turn down any extra acceptances -- we have to.

And in the mean time, even if she is on the waiting list at the exact school that I was accepted to, there is no guarantee that the school would notify her about the vacancy until May 15th (assuming she was first on the waitlist for my position, of course).

I mean, I definitely wish the OP luck, but luck was not what she was asking for. She was asking us to turn down a position with an unknown financial aid offer attached. For no very clear benefit to herself or anyone else. *shrug*

I'm confused, pianola. 😕

This thread wasn't about you specifically so what do your acceptances have to do with anything? Your last paragraph is basically echoing my sentiments.

I'm confused...
 
I'm confused, pianola. 😕

This thread wasn't about you specifically so what do your acceptances have to do with anything? Your last paragraph is basically echoing my sentiments.

I'm confused...

I think she was agreeing with you and expounding on what you said, in slightly less colorful language 😛
 
Obviously, I dropped all the acceptances I knew I didn't want as soon as I figured out I didn't want them. But most of us need all our financial aid applications to make our final decisions. And schools seem to be waiting to the last minute to send them our way. Why is that so hard for people to understand?

But yeah, interview invites are over. That ship is sailed and if you don't have any now you should assume rejection.
 
I didn't bother reading most of this thread because I have heard this stuff before, but I'll make a valid point no one has stepped up and said as far as I know---

I want people to withdraw so I can get off the waitlist and drink myself silly for April, May, June, and July instead of taking the MCAT again and applying again. There I said it- now go ahead and start judging me, I really don't care.

On a serious note- I blame AMCAS, not the people holding multiple acceptances. I think they should make the May 15 deadline into an April 1 deadline so that way I won't potentially come off a waitlist in July or August as I fill out apps and go interviewing for the class of 2014. One cycle should be virtually dead before another begins...
 
I didn't bother reading most of this thread because I have heard this stuff before, but I'll make a valid point no one has stepped up and said as far as I know---

I want people to withdraw so I can get off the waitlist and drink myself silly for April, May, June, and July instead of taking the MCAT again and applying again. There I said it- now go ahead and start judging me, I really don't care.

On a serious note- I blame AMCAS, not the people holding multiple acceptances. I think they should make the May 15 deadline into an April 1 deadline so that way I won't potentially come off a waitlist in July or August as I fill out apps and go interviewing for the class of 2014. One cycle should be virtually dead before another begins...

Well yeah, but again, most schools don't even start looking into the waitlist until after May 15th. They have no reason to. Right now, they're busy with financial aid packages and second looks and trying to make sure all those to whom they offered acceptances will attend. They aren't thinking about alternates yet. After May 15th, once they've tallied all the "nays" and have figured out how many people they actually have, they'll start dipping into the alternate pools. However, for now, most are just not going there yet.

For the record, I also wish May 15th were earlier so no one would have to wonder whether they're in until the day before classes start. However, if May 15th were April 1st instead, there would be no time for second look (financial aid would also have to hire extra people to get stuff done really quickly). If we were to move up the nonrolling acceptances to, say, end of February, that would mean that interviews would have to end really early for those schools. And so on and so forth...
 
Well yeah, but again, most schools don't even start looking into the waitlist until after May 15th. They have no reason to. Right now, they're busy with financial aid packages and second looks and trying to make sure all those to whom they offered acceptances will attend. They aren't thinking about alternates yet. After May 15th, once they've tallied all the "nays" and have figured out how many people they actually have, they'll start dipping into the alternate pools. However, for now, most are just not going there yet.

For the record, I also wish May 15th were earlier so no one would have to wonder whether they're in until the day before classes start. However, if May 15th were April 1st instead, there would be no time for second look (financial aid would also have to hire extra people to get stuff done really quickly). If we were to move up the nonrolling acceptances to, say, end of February, that would mean that interviews would have to end really early for those schools. And so on and so forth...

For your first paragraph-

Yea I guess you're right, but can you blame me for wanting to have a few man pops and celebrate?

second paragraph-

I see your point, but I have more sympathy/empathy for people waiting to get one acceptance and deciding when to start re-applying because they might still get in than I do people trying to go to "second-look weekend". I think people can go on their own second looks and lets be honest- is 4 days of exposure going to do much more good than 1 day (interview day)? I think AMCAS should worry about people who could potentially be alive in the c/o 2013 and 2014 at the same time in MAY, JUNE, JULY, AUGUST rather than worrying about the 38 MCAT 3.8 GPAs deciding between Harvard, Yale, Stanford, and Duke...
 
I think she was agreeing with you and expounding on what you said, in slightly less colorful language 😛

Ohhhh, okay.

I thought pianola thought I was attacking her or something. And she was responding to that.

I'm having a slow day...

*drinks another glass of red wine*
 
I have seen many people here in SDN who are fortunate to have multiple acceptances. Some are with two and others are with four or more acceptances. Many of them are still undecided on the school they wanted to enroll even at this point in the cycle. So they are holding all the acceptances. When these people finally tell the schools that they won't be enrolling, it will be so late. Because those schools might have already rejected many applicants even without interviews. We all understand that choosing a school may be harder and depend on many factors, but please be quick on those decisions. So that another student will get accepted or atleast get an interview. Thank you.:luck:

Patience is a virtue 🙂
Plus, OP should also reflect the reason why he/she was not accepted outright & figure out ways to get off those WLs instead of flaming others w/ acceptance(s).
 
Pianola, LET and others have cleared up the OP's misconceptions beautifully, so I just want to add this:

Why do people think that some folks are holding on to acceptances that they wouldn't take? 😕

Most people with multiple acceptances let go of the ones they don't want, and hold on to ones that they are still considering for financial or other reasons.

Seriously, we're not all out to get you.
 
I think AMCAS should worry about people who could potentially be alive in the c/o 2013 and 2014 at the same time in MAY, JUNE, JULY, AUGUST rather than worrying about the 38 MCAT 3.8 GPAs deciding between Harvard, Yale, Stanford, and Duke...

People who try to decide between multiple schools have the same, if not more, right to do so comparing to your need of drink yourself stupid for three monthes.
 
People who try to decide between multiple schools have the same, if not more, right to do so comparing to your need of drink yourself stupid for three monthes.

I don't literally mean drink myself stupid- I am saying relax and not worry about where I'll be next year. They have more of a right? Why? Because they went to a bigger school, or are a URM, or did better on the MCAT? I beat them on the SAT's and that is a measure of aptitude so who is to say I shouldn't have the "right" to know. Do the extra two months really help the decision making that much? I bet a lot of people don't change where they go in that time- they just let it swirl around their heads. But I suppose you're right- they were better applicants so they have more rights in the process, that's a good point from a future doc.
 
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