Pepperdine vs CSPP psyD program

[dokidoku]

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Hey everyone!

Like many others, I'm in a state of confusion. I was accepted to CSPP-LA PsyD program - it seems like a good program from what I experienced at the interview day and also from some of my closed friends.

I also applied to Pepperdine's PsyD program and had a chance to interview. It seens like I have a great chance to be accepted.

Some people tell me that pepperdine has more resource comparing to CSPP and still some people tell me that CSPP emphasize more on the clinical training than pepperdine.

I am really confusion about this two programs and just wondering if anyone knows "anything" about these two programs?


Thanks guys.

winnie

 

[Psychmeout]

Hey everyone!

Like many others, I'm in a state of confusion. I was accepted to CSPP-LA PsyD program - it seems like a good program from what I experienced at the interview day and also from some of my closed friends.

I also applied to Pepperdine's PsyD program and had a chance to interview. It seens like I have a great chance to be accepted.

Some people tell me that pepperdine has more resource comparing to CSPP and still some people tell me that CSPP emphasize more on the clinical training than pepperdine.

I am really confusion about this two programs and just wondering if anyone knows "anything" about these two programs?


Thanks guys.

winnie

My advice is to try and avoid both CSPP-LA and Pepperdine, unless you really plan to do therapy as a career. You will not receive good training and you will end up SEVERAL thousands of dollars in debt. If these are your only choices, you would be better off waiting a year and reapplying to programs.

 

[dokidoku]

My advice is to try and avoid both CSPP-LA and Pepperdine, unless you really plan to do therapy as a career. You will not receive good training and you will end up SEVERAL thousands of dollars in debt. If these are your only choices, you would be better off waiting a year and reapplying to programs.

Would you please give me more specific reasons? Like why don't you think they don't provide enough training?

 

[Psychmeout]

Would you please give me more specific reasons? Like why don't you think they don't provide enough training?

I will speak for each school individually. Admittedly, I know more about the Psy.D. program at CSPP-LA more than I do Pepperdine's program.

Reasons to avoid attending CSPP-LA

1. Tuition - $30, 000 a year (multiply that times 5 years and you will have an idea of how much you owe when you get out). Try paying off $150,000 worth of debt in this economy.
2. Practicum Placements - They are horrendous in placing students in solid practicums. They do not provide any support in helping students find good placements
3. No research opportunities - I don't care if research is not a goal for your career, you still need it in this field, even as a Psy.D. Without research experiences, your chances of getting into good internship placements are slim to none.
4. Extremely low match rates for APA-approved internship programs. CSPP-LA students have a hard time matching to APA internships. Not receiving an APA-accredited internship is dangerous because it limits your opportunities to work in settings such as academia, VA's, federal government jobs, and even some state-level jobs.

One of my closest friends attended CSPP-LA and she is having such a hard time finding a job because she did not attend an APA-accredited internship. She is very bright, but, she made a poor choice by attending that school. Like you, she thought of convenience (as it was close to where she was already living).

As far as the Pepperdine program is concerned, it is essentially the same as CSPP-LA. I think their Psy.D. students may have more opportunities for research and have slightly better match rates to APA-accredited internship programs, BUT, the tuition is still astronomically high and ridiculous. Both schools are for-profit and do not care if the student is receiving a good education.

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

I've heard pretty decent things about Pepperdine, though it is ridiculously expensive to live out there and get an education. They req. an MA/MS before being accepted, so that often limits people. If I had to choose between the two, I'd go with Pepperdine every time.

 

[Night1234]

Psychmeout
you mention to avoid CSPP - LA. Do you know if the same reasons you listed apply to their other campuses such as San Fran or San Diego

Thanks

 

[Psych1212]

I've heard pretty decent things about Pepperdine, though it is ridiculously expensive to live out there and get an education. They req. an MA/MS before being accepted, so that often limits people. If I had to choose between the two, I'd go with Pepperdine every time.

I would have said something similar. I've heard good things about Pepperdine, but unfortunately I don't have 200k to spare, so I wouldn't consider the program.

The tuition costs and expenses for some of these programs are just flat out ridiculous. The only reason they exist is because of our desperation, which sometimes leads us into denial and naivety...It's a shame really...

 

[Ollie123]

Psychmeout
you mention to avoid CSPP - LA. Do you know if the same reasons you listed apply to their other campuses such as San Fran or San Diego

Thanks

CSPP as a whole, while not the worst, does not exactly have a stellar reputation.

Pepperdine is probably the more respected choice of those two (though that doesn't mean its the right choice for an individual), but not by an overwhelming margin.

 

[Shay1234]

I was wondering if anyone could give me some information on the interview process at Alliant. I am interviewing with CSPP SF on Friday and have been unable to find any info on interview question... Do you remember any unique questions I should prepare for?

 

[CaliPsych]

psychmeout- doesn't pepperdine say on their website that their apa match rates are really high (like 80-90 percent)? I agree that cspp la does not have great apa match rates, but I don't think that is true of pepperdine. And I think the match rates at pepperdine reflect the fact that it is one of the more respected psyd programs. I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just want to make sure I have my facts straight!

 

[KillerDiller]

psychmeout- doesn't pepperdine say on their website that their apa match rates are really high (like 80-90 percent)? I agree that cspp la does not have great apa match rates, but I don't think that is true of pepperdine. And I think the match rates at pepperdine reflect the fact that it is one of the more respected psyd programs. I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just want to make sure I have my facts straight!

It's possible that Pepperdine hit an 80-90% match rate for a year, but from 2000-2006 their average APPIC match rate was only 69%, which was below the national average of 75%.

I found the information here http://www.appic.org/downloads/APPIC_Match_2000-06_by_Univ.pdf

 

[CaliPsych]

OK now I am more confused... because pepperdine's website says they have placed between 83-100% of students in APA/APPIC internships between 2000-2008 and and between 65-80% in APA internships during the same time period. These seem like pretty competitive match rates to me, but am I wrong about this? I have been under the impression that along with baylor, rutgers, and pgsp-stanford, pepperdine is considered one of the top psyd programs in the US. Is that what other people have heard/thought too, or am I totally off base? Thanks for offering your perspectives on this... I am glad someone posted this thread!

Oh and I found the statistics I cited here: http://gsep.pepperdine.edu/doctorate-clinical-psychology/statistics/

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

I wouldn't include PGSP-Stanford on that list...it is far too new of a program to be in the top tier quite yet. I think the next tier includes places like Xavier, Indiana U of P, and the Virginia Consortium.

 

[Psychmeout]

OK now I am more confused... because pepperdine's website says they have placed between 83-100% of students in APA/APPIC internships between 2000-2008 and and between 65-80% in APA internships during the same time period. These seem like pretty competitive match rates to me, but am I wrong about this? I have been under the impression that along with baylor, rutgers, and pgsp-stanford, pepperdine is considered one of the top psyd programs in the US. Is that what other people have heard/thought too, or am I totally off base? Thanks for offering your perspectives on this... I am glad someone posted this thread!

Oh and I found the statistics I cited here: http://gsep.pepperdine.edu/doctorate-clinical-psychology/statistics/

I think it's more important to focus on the APA match rates only, not APA/APPIC combined. A lot of schools will report high match rates when they combine the APPIC internship match rates with APA. Although there are several good APPIC internships, they are not considered as prestigious as APA internships.

 

[Psychmeout]

Psychmeout
you mention to avoid CSPP - LA. Do you know if the same reasons you listed apply to their other campuses such as San Fran or San Diego

Thanks

IMO all of the CSPP campuses are the same. You will hear some people proclaim that some campuses are "better" than others, but I doubt it.

A good indicator of a program's quality is the amount that the faculty publish in respected journals. This represents their scholarly contribution to the field. With many professional schools, faculty are not involved in publishing or presenting at national conferences. Instead, they usually spend their time in private practice or in some form of clinical work. As a doctoral student, you need solid training in research even if you do not plan to pursue research as a career.

 

[psycGrad88]

I'm also confused about pepperdines program. I haven't heard good things about CSSP. but from what i've heard, pepperdine is a top choice regarding pysD's; along with rutgers of course, GW and pacific standford. Anyone have anything more to say about pepperdine as it requires a masters degree which would be a sacfice applying for an MA just to try to get into pepperdine..?

 

[Student4Life0]

Do all of these negative reviews also apply to the CSPP in Chicago? I have heard that they have a decent reputation (although they are WAY too over priced..)

 

[aequitasveritas]

Do all of these negative reviews also apply to the CSPP in Chicago? I have heard that they have a decent reputation (although they are WAY too over priced..)

there are 2 CSPPs: 1. CALIFORNIA School of Professional Psychology at Alliant International University
2. CHICAGO School of Professional Psychology.

Btw...Alliant/CSPP is NOT for profit as it was mentioned that it is above.

I think I'm gonna sit this one out. I am a SD Alliant PhD student. See my similar posts for some review of Alliant and the general funded vs pro-school set up or PM me.

Good luck

 

[JockNerd]

OK now I am more confused... because pepperdine's website says they have placed between 83-100% of students in APA/APPIC internships between 2000-2008 and and between 65-80% in APA internships during the same time period. These seem like pretty competitive match rates to me, but am I wrong about this? I have been under the impression that along with baylor, rutgers, and pgsp-stanford, pepperdine is considered one of the top psyd programs in the US. Is that what other people have heard/thought too, or am I totally off base? Thanks for offering your perspectives on this... I am glad someone posted this thread!

Oh and I found the statistics I cited here: http://gsep.pepperdine.edu/doctorate-clinical-psychology/statistics/

Research indicates that a number of programs post full disclosure data that are at odds with independently collected data: http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/tep/2/2/117.html

Burgess, D., Keeley, J., & Blashfield, R. (2008). Full disclosure data on clinical psychology doctorate programs. Training and Education in Professional Psychology, 2(2), 117-122. doi:10.1037/1931-3918.2.2.117

 

[futureapppsy2]

^
However, I think that part of that discrepancy may be due- perhaps in large part for some (smaller) programs- by the fact APPIC doesn't report Clearing House placements in their numbers.

 

[GSEPSteven]

I'm starting the Pepperdine PsyD program next month and recently completed the M.A. program there, so I may be biased, but from what I know about CSPP, it is a very different program. First, Pepperdine is much smaller (less than 30 people per cohort), vs. CSPP, which has hundreds of students. This affects the school's ability to give each student one-on-one mentoring, its ability to match each student in a well-respected and accredited internship, as well as to ensure adequate training. Pepperdine has many dedicated internship placement sites in the area, and especially because it is basically the only program of its kind in the area, has gained a pretty strong reputation in the mental health community, making internship and post-doc placement easier to come by.

I don't have any first-hand experience with CSPP, but from my extensive experience with Pepperdine, I can say that the training in both clinical work and research is top-notch and that the faculty's interest in developing the abilities of its students rivals many funded PhD programs. Additionally, in the L.A. area, the PhD programs (UCLA, USC, even UCSB, and UCSD/SDSU) are strictly research-focused and are specifically averse to students interested in pursuing a clinically-focused career. Because of this, I believe that Pepperdine finds itself in a unique position to train the area's best doctoral students who know they are specifically interested in pursuing a clinically-focused career, but that is informed by the latest research and trained in evidence-based practices.

That is my two cents, and take it with a grain of salt because I am probably biased, but I think the match rates speak for themselves and the school's very different admissions processes are key in differentiating the two. I am by no means trying to say that CSPP is a horrible school and that a student who has the motivation and creativity to make the most of his or her training could not be successful there, but I know that Pepperdine has been a great place to develop my abilities so far and that I have been extremely pleased with the training I have received so far. The price of attendance is nonetheless, exorbitant, but I believe that the training is very different from the training available at funded PhD programs, and because of other circumstances, Pepperdine has been the best option for me, short of moving out-of-state.

If you have any specific questions, please feel free to PM me, or to ask them here, and I'd be happy to answer to the best of my knowledge.

 

[deleted176373]

This applies to all programs... regardless of quality, Psy.D. vs Ph.D., pro school or university program.

Why would you pay top dollar for an inferior product?

Think about that before deciding to plunk down $150,000 or even $1,000 dollars on your education.

Some schools are charging a LOT of money for their product (education) and does that product meet your expectations? When you decide on a graduate program you are purchasing a product, like it or not, it is an investment that you expect a return on.

Which would you rather invest in? The one that is more expensive with the less sure outcome, or the cheaper one with a much more solid history of returns? If you are going to pay top dollar you better be getting your money's worth! If you're not getting what you are paying for, you should be asking yourself why you are ok with that, because you should not be ok with it!


Mark

 

[aequitasveritas]

I'm starting the Pepperdine PsyD program next month and recently completed the M.A. program there, so I may be biased, but from what I know about CSPP, it is a very different program. First, Pepperdine is much smaller (less than 30 people per cohort), vs. CSPP, which has hundreds of students. This affects the school's ability to give each student one-on-one mentoring, its ability to match each student in a well-respected and accredited internship, as well as to ensure adequate training. Pepperdine has many dedicated internship placement sites in the area, and especially because it is basically the only program of its kind in the area, has gained a pretty strong reputation in the mental health community, making internship and post-doc placement easier to come by.

I don't have any first-hand experience with CSPP, but from my extensive experience with Pepperdine, I can say that the training in both clinical work and research is top-notch and that the faculty's interest in developing the abilities of its students rivals many funded PhD programs. Additionally, in the L.A. area, the PhD programs (UCLA, USC, even UCSB, and UCSD/SDSU) are strictly research-focused and are specifically averse to students interested in pursuing a clinically-focused career. Because of this, I believe that Pepperdine finds itself in a unique position to train the area's best doctoral students who know they are specifically interested in pursuing a clinically-focused career, but that is informed by the latest research and trained in evidence-based practices.

That is my two cents, and take it with a grain of salt because I am probably biased, but I think the match rates speak for themselves and the school's very different admissions processes are key in differentiating the two. I am by no means trying to say that CSPP is a horrible school and that a student who has the motivation and creativity to make the most of his or her training could not be successful there, but I know that Pepperdine has been a great place to develop my abilities so far and that I have been extremely pleased with the training I have received so far. The price of attendance is nonetheless, exorbitant, but I believe that the training is very different from the training available at funded PhD programs, and because of other circumstances, Pepperdine has been the best option for me, short of moving out-of-state.

If you have any specific questions, please feel free to PM me, or to ask them here, and I'd be happy to answer to the best of my knowledge.

CSPP does n ot have hundreds of cohort. Each class has approx 30 students. If you mean that the aggregate of all campuses is a hundred then yes. But there are multiple campuses in California.

Further more I would agree that CSPP LA Psy.D is not as good as Pepperdine Psy.D. Yet this is far from the truth if you're comparing other locations (like San Diego) and/or the CSPP PhD programs to Pepperdine Psy.D.
So there does need to be an awareness that you need to be comparing apples to apples.

Dammit...I thought I was not going to write on this thread. I have no impulse control.

 

[PsyMe]

I'm starting the Pepperdine PsyD program next month and recently completed the M.A. program there, so I may be biased, but from what I know about CSPP, it is a very different program.


Now that two years have past, any wisdom from those that participated in this thread would be greatly appreciated…

GSEPSteven, Though still on the fence, I am looking to do exactly what you did… obtain an MA at Pepperdine and then apply to their PsyD program. I realize this will be a big risk as the MA from Pepperdine does not guarantee you a spot in the PsyD program, but it really is my ideal situation. What are your thoughts? Do you feel the risk is worth it? From what I can tell, Pepperdine seems to be superior to CSPP. But then again, I really don’t know. My ex-husband graduated from CSPP and is doing well.

What was/is your experience with the MA program and now the PsyD at Pepperdine? Did many of their MA students get accepted into their PsyD program? What made the difference from those who didn’t? Any further information you or anyone else can offer on this topic would be helpful.

Also, I can’t find any info regarding differences in job prospects and pay for the alumni of the two schools???

Thanks!

 

[wigflip]

I'm starting the Pepperdine PsyD program next month and recently completed the M.A. program there, so I may be biased, but from what I know about CSPP, it is a very different program.


Now that two years have past, any wisdom from those that participated in this thread would be greatly appreciated…

GSEPSteven, Though still on the fence, I am looking to do exactly what you did… obtain an MA at Pepperdine and then apply to their PsyD program. I realize this will be a big risk as the MA from Pepperdine does not guarantee you a spot in the PsyD program, but it really is my ideal situation. What are your thoughts? Do you feel the risk is worth it? From what I can tell, Pepperdine seems to be superior to CSPP. But then again, I really don’t know. My ex-husband graduated from CSPP and is doing well.

What was/is your experience with the MA program and now the PsyD at Pepperdine? Did many of their MA students get accepted into their PsyD program? What made the difference from those who didn’t? Any further information you or anyone else can offer on this topic would be helpful.

Also, I can’t find any info regarding differences in job prospects and pay for the alumni of the two schools???

Thanks!

Hi PsyMe,

I'm obviously not Steven, but I suspect that if you only wanted to talk to him/her you woulda just PMed. Just a couple of thoughts:

1. If you spend 60K on an unlicensable masters (Pepperdine's MA, rather than MFT) and don't get in to the PsyD, you will be stuck. If you have that kind of cash you should probably try for the MFT degree instead--that way at least you'll have practice options if you are unable to go further with Pepperdine. Their curriculum has changed to accomodate the new LPC license (new to CA), so there are now more units, more classes, but also more options. On the other hand, there are several good CSU programs in Southern California that prepare you for masters level practice and/or competitive doctoral applications. They may take longer to complete (due to the CA budget crisis) but will be much, much less expensive than Pepperdine.

2. Mine will probably be the mildest comment you will get on this re-opened thread. Recent discussions of the PsyD option can be essentially summed up thus: "just don't."

Good luck.

 

[Brian1f1]

What about funded PsyD programs? Is the consensus on these also "just don't"?

 

[futureapppsy2]

What about funded PsyD programs? Is the consensus on these also "just don't"?

Funded PsyD programs, IMO, are fine choices. The proble
is that when you get down to it, there are maybe only 3-5 truly funded PsyD programs in the country (Baylor, Rutgers. Indiana State, Indiana U-Penn, maaaybe one or two others that I'm forgetting), and only Baylor promises to fully fund all students, every year. Of course, some balanced PhD programs don't fully funded everyone, every year, but your odds are pretty good. Honestly, if you're a good fit and competitive for funded PsyD programs, you'd probably also find good fits at many funded balanced PhD programs.

 

[wigflip]

What about funded PsyD programs? Is the consensus on these also "just don't"?

I'd look for recent threads--there was one just a week or so ago where things got pretty heated. The PsyD is still stigmatized. I'm not saying that I endorse that/those positions.

 

[Brian1f1]

Funded PsyD programs, IMO, are fine choices. The proble
is that when you get down to it, there are maybe only 3-5 truly funded PsyD programs in the country (Baylor, Rutgers. Indiana State, Indiana U-Penn, maaaybe one or two others that I'm forgetting), and only Baylor promises to fully fund all students, every year. Of course, some balanced PhD programs don't fully funded everyone, every year, but your odds are pretty good. Honestly, if you're a good fit and competitive for funded PsyD programs, you'd probably also find good fits at many funded balanced PhD programs.

Is a research match just as important for the funded PsyD programs, or less of a concern? I have looked at other threads and don't seem to see a straight answer. For instance, do you need to reach out to POI's or just reference some you'd like to work with in the Goal Statement? Or do you just list your interests and apply to the general program?

 

[Doctor Eliza]

I don’t want to rehash the whole “should you get a doctorate if you want to do clinical work” debate, but I did want to comment on the idea that a balanced PhD is a substitute for a PsyD. I went to a fully funded PhD program that presented itself as balanced. “Presented” being a key word. In reality clinical training took a back seat to research training. I made friends with some PsyD folks in internship and they had all sorts of clinical coursework and opportunities that were not available to me. Additionally, clinical career goals were not supported. When my own goals switched to a more clinically focused career, I lost a lot of faculty interest and support.

In retrospect, I personally would not have bothered with a doctoral program if I knew I was going to work providing psychotherapy. The pain and suffering of a doctoral program (not exaggerating) and the lost decade of my life would just not be worth it to me.

Best of luck determining the best path for you.

Dr. E

 

[futureapppsy2]

I don’t want to rehash the whole “should you get a doctorate if you want to do clinical work” debate, but I did want to comment on the idea that a balanced PhD is a substitute for a PsyD. I went to a fully funded PhD program that presented itself as balanced. “Presented” being a key word. In reality clinical training took a back seat to research training. I made friends with some PsyD folks in internship and they had all sorts of clinical coursework and opportunities that were not available to me. Additionally, clinical career goals were not supported. When my own goals switched to a more clinically focused career, I lost a lot of faculty interest and support.

In retrospect, I personally would not have bothered with a doctoral program if I knew I was going to work providing psychotherapy. The pain and suffering of a doctoral program (not exaggerating) and the lost decade of my life would just not be worth it to me.

Best of luck determining the best path for you.

Dr. E

I do think "presented" is a key word. For example, I know/knew a ton of people in the clinical PhD program at my undergrad. The program presented itself as balanced but in reality was very, very clinical. Of the maybe 10 student-taking faculty members, only two or three publish at all regularly and only one publishes with students regularly. Many of my friends who went in wanting academic or balanced careers were very disillusioned with the research opportunities actually available. Otoh, the clinically focused students were often happy not having to do anything beyond a thesis and dissertation.

So, balanced programs can really vary on which side of balanced they lie on. Unfortunately, it cam be really hard to see that until you're in a program

 

[Psychadelic2012]

I do think "presented" is a key word. For example, I know/knew a ton of people in the clinical PhD program at my undergrad. The program presented itself as balanced but in reality was very, very clinical. Of the maybe 10 student-taking faculty members, only two or three publish at all regularly and only one publishes with students regularly. Many of my friends who went in wanting academic or balanced careers were very disillusioned with the research opportunities actually available. Otoh, the clinically focused students were often happy not having to do anything beyond a thesis and dissertation.

So, balanced programs can really vary on which side of balanced they lie on. Unfortunately, it cam be really hard to see that until you're in a program

YES! All of this. So true. You never know until you get in and you can never really trust what they say. It seems like the bottom line is that one needs to be ready to seek out opportunities (research or clinical) that may not be automatically available in the program, in order to get what you need for your future.

 

[ClinPsychEnthus]

I don’t want to rehash the whole “should you get a doctorate if you want to do clinical work” debate, but I did want to comment on the idea that a balanced PhD is a substitute for a PsyD. I went to a fully funded PhD program that presented itself as balanced. “Presented” being a key word. In reality clinical training took a back seat to research training. I made friends with some PsyD folks in internship and they had all sorts of clinical coursework and opportunities that were not available to me. Additionally, clinical career goals were not supported. When my own goals switched to a more clinically focused career, I lost a lot of faculty interest and support.

In retrospect, I personally would not have bothered with a doctoral program if I knew I was going to work providing psychotherapy. The pain and suffering of a doctoral program (not exaggerating) and the lost decade of my life would just not be worth it to me.

Best of luck determining the best path for you.

Dr. E

I'm sorry to hear about your experience of this, Dr. E.

My personal experience was quite opposite. I initially went the route that you described, did a Masters and practiced on the Masters level. However, in my experience, the more people I worked with, the more I believed that I needed doctoral level course work to adequately address a variety of client needs or concerns. This is why I pursued a Psy.D. at a program that was evidence-based, included a clinical health focus, and has strong opportunities for research. I have actually decided since being in my Psy.D. program that I want my career to include both research and clinical practice. I'm under the impression that many people do not think that this happens in Psy.D. programs.

 

[bbbdddhhh]

Perhaps this will help anyone considering CSPP....

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/forty-students-file-lawsuit-against-161100723.html

 

[StudiousTiger]

Hey everyone!

Like many others, I'm in a state of confusion. I was accepted to CSPP-LA PsyD program - it seems like a good program from what I experienced at the interview day and also from some of my closed friends.

I also applied to Pepperdine's PsyD program and had a chance to interview. It seens like I have a great chance to be accepted.

Some people tell me that pepperdine has more resource comparing to CSPP and still some people tell me that CSPP emphasize more on the clinical training than pepperdine.

I am really confusion about this two programs and just wondering if anyone knows "anything" about these two programs?


Thanks guys.

winnie

Hello I know this is a super old post but what happened with Pepperdine ? Did you get accepted ? When you applied what experience did you have ? I recently applied there and hoping I get called for an interview !

 

[ashleemuffins]

I just want to point out a lot of the teachers at Pepperdine have their PsyD degrees from Chicago School of Psychology. I'm currently in the Behavioral Psychology program and its something I noticed so keep that in mind.

 

[NeuroPsychosis]

I just want to point out a lot of the teachers at Pepperdine have their PsyD degrees from Chicago School of Psychology. I'm currently in the Behavioral Psychology program and its something I noticed so keep that in mind.

I noticed that most of the faculty comes from UCLA, but there are quite successful professional school alumni per the ones you're talking about.