Peripheral IVs

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In light of the A-line thread that was started (very helpful by the way), I was wondering if people wouldn't mind posting their methods for just starting a basic IV. I'm a 3rd year MS who is trying to get good at it. I've never gotten any formal instruction, I basically just stick the needle in till I have a flash, then hope the cath threads....less than optimal I know. Specifics about large bore IVs would be nice.

Tks! 😛

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its called practice, at the unfortunate expense of a couple of hundred disgruntled patients while you build your skills.
 
A few quick tips:

Make sure the tourniquet is on tight.
Drop the site below the level of the tourniquet to facilitate venous pooling.
Develop your feel for palpating veins. In obese and very dark African American patients, you may not visualize a vein at all, even when one is there.
Wrap the site/arm/leg with very warm blankets to dilate the veins if you have absolutely no target, with or without a tourniquet on. Don't leave a tourniquet on for more than five continuous minutes

When placing the IV, the most common early mistake is attempting to advance the catheter over the needle before enough of the catheter has entered the vein. If only a small portion of the catheter or no portion of the catheter has entered the vein and you try to advance the catheter, you will push the vein off of the needle and blow the vein.

Advance the unit until you get a flash of blood, then drop the entire unit 10-20 degrees and advance another 3-5 mm. You can then push the catheter off of the needle and into the vein. If the patient is experiencing great pain while you do this, you are likely not in the vein and have either pushed the vein off of the needle or pushed through the back wall of the vein and are advancing the catheter into soft tissue.

If you back wall the vein, you can sometimes salvage the IV by removing the needle, slowly withdrawing the catheter until you get blood flow again, at which point the distal tip should be back in the lumen of the vein. Unlike an artery, it is not a simple task to just advance the catheter or place a wire or the needle back through the catheter to serve as a guide. The vein will likely flip off the end of the catheter again or will have bled enough to become collapsed and not allow entry of the catheter (does not have the muscular wall of an artery that can stay circular). You can try to inject some saline through the catheter as you try to advance it, in order to reinflate the vein, but I have rarely seen that work unless you backwalled a large vein that you should have gotten in the first place.

Learn to use the fingers of your supporting to fix the vein in position by pinching/pressing it below where you intend to cannulate. This helps pin the "rolling" veins and fix their position under the skin.

Tapping the vein with your fingers about 10 times before you sterilize with alcohol and give local can also inflame and engorge the vein locally and make the vein more prominent as well.

Bending the entire unit by 10-15 degrees helps to prevent backwalling when you are trying to get forearm veins or veins on patients with obstructing body parts.

Know all of the common targets for PIV's, but also know where your best backups lie (saphenous leg vein, lateral wrist surface vein, cephalic vein, etc.).

Norm's sneaky trick for small and/or volume depleted veins: place a 22 or 24 ga IV as distally as possible in your target vein. Hook up a pig tail catheter or any catheter with a syringe and inject 5-10 cc's of fluid into the vein, WITH THE TOURNIQUET UP. Do this gently and with a stopcock and you will inflate/dilate the vein distal to the tip of the small catheter. You can then place a larger IV more proximally (relative to the patient, not the small catheter) in the now distended vein.

RIC catheters (Rapid infusion catheters) can also be placed by putting an 18 ga PIV into a large AC vein, threading a guidewire through the catheter, removing the catheter, using a knife to nick the skin, and advancing the RIC catheter over the wire using a Seldinger technique. Instant large bore IV.

REMEMBER TO REMOVE YOUR TOURNIQUET AFTER YOU HAVE PLACED YOUR CATHETERS!!!! I have seen junior residents leave tourniquets used to place IV's after the patient is asleep, on for the entire case, resulting in severe extremity edema secondary to poor venous drainage and aggressive flushing of fluid through an IV that is backing up for a reason. Nerve damage from iatrogenic compartment syndrome is not a good thing to have on your record.

There are many more tips/tricks, but these will get you through your first year.
 
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thanks, UTSouthwestern! Very helpful.

Soon2BDoc...sorry you wasted your time to even push the "reply" button.
 
Go to the day surgery area or labor and delivery and ask the RNs to show you their technique. Those RNs have perfected peripheral vein cannulation and will SHOW you the best tricks on a real patient in just minutes. That's how I learned it starting off over twenty years ago and I improved by leaps and bounds instantly overnight.
 
UT, I got to serve up some mad props for the quality of your posts....just read a post on the surgery forum about that 17 yr old with the poss R->L shunt....you really put forth the effort....SDN needs more cats like you....I always enjoy a good post and you sir do not fail to deliver....good lookin' out for the newbies on the PIV....keep up the strong work!
 
Dr. J? said:
UT, I got to serve up some mad props for the quality of your posts....just read a post on the surgery forum about that 17 yr old with the poss R->L shunt....you really put forth the effort....SDN needs more cats like you....I always enjoy a good post and you sir do not fail to deliver....good lookin' out for the newbies on the PIV....keep up the strong work!

Still remember my chiefs passing on their words of wisdom. Teaching makes you a better physician. Sharing makes you a better person.


That and if I'm doing something wrong, someone on this forum will DEFINITELY stand up and correct me. :laugh:
 
UTSouthwestern said:
Still remember my chiefs passing on their words of wisdom. Teaching makes you a better physician. Sharing makes you a better person.


That and if I'm doing something wrong, someone on this forum will DEFINITELY stand up and correct me. :laugh:

UT, excellent post...Keep up the great work. This forum is a great site for anesthesia bound and current anesthesia residents. I like this forum. I like it alot.

"knowledge is power"

gas2008
 
Here is something I wrote for our medical students.

The focus of this is for the "Difficult IV" Patient who you are called to see after three nurses, the IV technician, the med student and the service resident have poked 20 times already. The obese, black, dehydrated sickle cell crisis patient. The Vasculopath. The near hemodialysis diabetic. The long term care patient in hospital for months and months with no veins left. Ect.

This is also assuming that it is not a true emergency (ie. Needs IV antibiotics, ect) vs a situation where a central line is more appropriate.

Optimize, optimize, optimize.

Bring all your equipment with you. I don’t trust the floor to have anything and if they have it I don’t trust it to be at the bedside where I need it.

Bring tape, tegaderms, a TB syringe (27g needle) or insulin syringe with 1-2% Lido, 4x4’s, tourniquet and a stack of #20 and #18 IV’s. Only wusses place 22’s in adults.

On the floor I grab an IV set, 2 towels and 2 “diapers” (plastic coated throw pads).

Go and see the patient and get a basic history and ask them where they find is the best place to get IV’s.

Turn on the lights to help you see. Indirect lighting is better than direct as it raises shadows which tends to highlight veins.

I position the patient semi-sitting to get gravity helping and then wet the towels with warm/hot water and wrap each arm from hand to above the elbow with 1 towel then the diaper to keep the bed from getting wet, and have the arms hanging down. I leave it on for ~3 min then start on the arm the patient said was easier. I put on the tourniquet above the elbow before removing the towel while leaving the other arm still wrapped in case I need to go over there.

Start at the hands and work your way up. If you blow the downstream veins (ie. Start in the antecubital fossa) you might lose the upstream ones (hands).

Find a likely looking suspect (either by sight, or feel for something spongy) then prep the skin by injecting ~0.2 cc of Lidocaine to raise a small bleb and freeze the puncture site. This makes a world of difference. The patient has already been poked a million times and has their pain receptors fully wound up. You don’t need them moaning and groaning and pulling away as you work and the bolus of endogenous catecholamines won’t help you get fat juicy veins either. (PS. I always use Lido for all IV starts, even in the OR. For though who say 1 poke is better than 2, stick yourself with a 27g needle then a 18g and see what hurts more, particularly if you have to dig some.) Doing it this way nearly always results in a “Pain Free IV start” and the patient thinks you are a superstar even if you had to dig around for 10 min before getting it.

Then it is just a matter of going methodically until you get something. My preference is start at the hands, then look at the radial aspect of the dorsal forearm, then ulnar aspect of ventral forearm, then ACF. If you are really in a pinch there are 2 other peripheral sites you can go to before reaching for a PIC or central line. Check the feet/lower legs (but these don’t last long and make it hard for the pt to ambulate, I only use it as a bridge to something better), and in a real pinch look at the external jugular vein. Both these sites are generally virgin territory and good for a shot. If you go for the external jugular use a short catheter (not a long 14g or 16g) as the long ones can erode through with all the neck movement. I put a short 16g or 18g with the filter removed on a 5cc syringe and aspirate as inserting as there is usually a big gush when you hit it that floods the filter but with the syringe you can be sure you are in before trying to thread the cath. Don’t but a tourniquet around the neck, duh! Generally a little trendelenburg (head down) is enough to bring out the vein but sometimes an assistant putting a little pressure at the thoracic inlet at the next helps. This external jugular can be a real life saver in a pinch during a code where no one seems to be able to get a central line.

So that’s it. Good luck for the next time you get treated as a glorified IV service. It could be worse you could be in Urology and be paged all night long for "difficult foleys"
 
Just as an addition to this post for all the beginners-
It may not hurt to bring along a bottle of glycopyrolate for those patients who are prone to going vagal on you and passing out before your eyes-0.1-0.2 mg of glyco may do the trick (as long as it's not contraindicated for the patient/procedure)...
 
Thanks a lot for the Great posts, really helps out us noobs. Maybe the screams and pleas for help from recieveing my IV's will finnally stop.

We should have a lot more topics like this directed towards us rookie biattches. Like: working on your golf swing, how to have a happy marriage, investing for people with no income, looking cool in the OR, kids vs no kids your entire life, recommended top shelf liquor, top 5 most expensive hobbies that kick ass, or some other medical stuff etc......

Let the enlightment begin
 
Magnus67 said:
We should have a lot more topics like this directed towards us rookie biattches. Like: working on your golf swing, how to have a happy marriage, investing for people with no income, looking cool in the OR, kids vs no kids your entire life, recommended top shelf liquor, top 5 most expensive hobbies that kick ass, or some other medical stuff etc......

Let the enlightment begin

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