Petition for Foreign Trained Dentist = request to sign

[drkiran]

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[Ionz]

Most people on this forum are US citizens or permanent residents. What you are petitioning for is drastically increasing the competition in their own homeland, as if dentistry in America isn't already saturated enough in key areas. Call me a pessimist, but that won't be received well by this community.

 

[Daurang]

Students here in the USA borrow $600K and +8 years of their undergrad/grad life to get their DMD/DDS, do you think it's fair foreign dentist can just take the shortcut way in? This happened in Canada and there are now dental practices on every corner in Toronto/Mississauga when I visited last week.

If I want to send my kid to oversea dental school right after high school for a bargain $10K DMD/DDS degree, where's the best place?

 

[jda02624]

DrKiran, what country are you from?

 

[gryffindor]

The US makes the rules for a foreign dentist to have "an opportunity to work" very clear. You can go on the Board of Dentistry website for the state where you want to practice and find the rules for that state.

In general, the rules are 1) Go do an IDP program or 2) Go do a specialty residency and apply for licensure in the handful of states that allow foreign dentists to work without completing an IDP program.

What other opportunities do there need to be?

 

[tjung789]

The US makes the rules for a foreign dentist to have "an opportunity to work" very clear. You can go on the Board of Dentistry website for the state where you want to practice and find the rules for that state.

In general, the rules are 1) Go do an IDP program or 2) Go do a specialty residency and apply for licensure in the handful of states that allow foreign dentists to work without completing an IDP program.

What other opportunities do there need to be?

Agreed. We can't be babbysitting the whole world. Also in many countries in the East, there is a lot of corruption and grades can be fudged in such dental schools, so we can't be sure whether their standard matches up to ours.

If I had to redo it, I might think I would just go to dental school abroad. It would have been straight out of high school (college is useless) and even if I attended the most expensive 2-year IDP, it would still end up as a bargain.

 

[deleted547631]

Dear friends,

I posting this for your kind support in signing the petition I have created for the US government to consider my plea to allow foreign trained dentist to find opportunities to work in the USA. I am a foreign trained dentist too and have struggled a lot to work in this country and would like your support that will help me with my career and the many other dentists like me who suffer because of the unreasonable constraints in the healthcare industry.

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Regards,

Kiran

Kiran,

The argument insinuating a shortage of healthcare workforce would be more successful if you were appealing for more primary care physician residency positions. There is a well-documented shortage of the primary care medical workforce in this country for a variety of valid reasons. Re: dentists, however, don't confuse maldistribution to a shortage - there are plenty of dental graduates and more to come as existing programs expand and more dental schools open in the US. Certainly, the "unreasonable constraints in the healthcare industry" you are referring to conveniently ignores existing pathways of abbreviated international dental programs (IDPs), of which there are many. Additionally, many States allow foreign-trained dentists to practice after completing a dental residency should you be competitive enough to place into one.

I would like to point out that the current generation of graduating dentists, laden with considerable student debt, do not look favorably upon the notion of carte blanche licensing of foreign-trained dentists, which would undoubtedly exacerbate current saturated workforce conditions.

 

[billythekid]

Dear friends,

I posting this for your kind support in signing the petition I have created for the US government to consider my plea to allow foreign trained dentist to find opportunities to work in the USA. I am a foreign trained dentist too and have struggled a lot to work in this country and would like your support that will help me with my career and the many other dentists like me who suffer because of the unreasonable constraints in the healthcare industry.

Anybody over the age of 13 can sign this petition, and it will just take a small effort and about 5 minutes of your time. The link provided will direct you to the petition website. All you need to do is to setup your login by registering on the website (click on "Create an account") and then logging in to the website, click on "Sign this Petition". By signing this you will be helping me and a lot of others like me.

If this petition gets 100,000 signatures by August 15, 2013, the White House will review it and respond! I am counting on you for your support and help.

You can view and sign the petition here:

http://wh.gov/laAyS

You can help by asking your family members and friends to sign the petition. Please help me socialize this petition and gain support.

Regards,

Kiran

HAHAHA. Is this a joke?

 

[billythekid]

The US makes the rules for a foreign dentist to have "an opportunity to work" very clear. You can go on the Board of Dentistry website for the state where you want to practice and find the rules for that state.

In general, the rules are 1) Go do an IDP program or 2) Go do a specialty residency and apply for licensure in the handful of states that allow foreign dentists to work without completing an IDP program.

What other opportunities do there need to be?

Very well put

 

[deleted547631]

The US makes the rules for a foreign dentist to have "an opportunity to work" very clear. You can go on the Board of Dentistry website for the state where you want to practice and find the rules for that state.

In general, the rules are 1) Go do an IDP program or 2) Go do a specialty residency and apply for licensure in the handful of states that allow foreign dentists to work without completing an IDP program.

What other opportunities do there need to be?

None. I'd even argue that the ADA / CODA needs to reign in the number of IDPs in light of plans by existing schools to open more dental colleges (e.g. Bluefield College in VA, ASDOH-San Diego campus in CA, etc). Recent ADA literature suggests that dentistry still has not recovered to pre-2009 levels and trends illustrate that foreign-trained dentists tend to gravitate to saturated (i.e. non-rural, non-underserved areas, etc) just like any US citizen or PR dentist would likely do. Eliminating or undercutting current pathways for foreign-trained dentists would destabilize and harm the dental profession. If anyone considering a career in dentistry examined the current state of the law profession they would see how the ABA's missteps caused such unfavorable conditions for recent law graduates.

 

[Shunwei]

Students here in the USA borrow $600K and +8 years of their undergrad/grad life to get their DMD/DDS, do you think it's fair foreign dentist can just take the shortcut way in? This happened in Canada and there are now dental practices on every corner in Toronto/Mississauga when I visited last week.

If I want to send my kid to oversea dental school right after high school for a bargain $10K DMD/DDS degree, where's the best place?

Exactly, I for one feel that the expanding foreign dental student programs in many of the schools is a great mistake. Dentistry is good if the number of graduates are strictly limited; in at scenario everyone wins. Saturation does nothing but to make it hard for everyone and cheapen the degree. No disrespect to the foreigners, but I see very little incentive on our (American) dentists to open the floodgates. This is precisely what happened in my old field ((PhD) and it has destroyed that vocation.

 

[dentalcarey]

Whatsup with all of you reacting to this posting? I read the the petition and it has nothing to do with all the DDS and DMD professionals at all. If you are really doing well in your private practice which I think all of you should after spending $600k+ in just schooling, why bother about the effort they want to do to coexist working for healthcenters that we would not be able to work for as they pay much lesser than what we earn in private practices?
I am not too concerned with them as they hardly are a competition since they do not intend to setup private practices. The problem is that there are too many students graduating from Dental schools in USA paying an exorbitant amount of money making these Dental schools and student loan programs flourish while the economy in US is not favorable for the DDS and DMD graduates to earn well. Goodluck!

 

[Ionz]

Whatsup with all of you reacting to this posting? I read the the petition and it has nothing to do with all the DDS and DMD professionals at all. If you are really doing well in your private practice which I think all of you should after spending $600k+ in just schooling, why bother about the effort they want to do to coexist working for healthcenters that we would not be able to work for as they pay much lesser than what we earn in private practices?
I am not too concerned with them as they hardly are a competition since they do not intend to setup private practices. The problem is that there are too many students graduating from Dental schools in USA paying an exorbitant amount of money making these Dental schools and student loan programs flourish while the economy in US is not favorable for the DDS and DMD graduates to earn well. Goodluck!

Did YOU read the petition?

We humbly request that Foreign Trained Dentists be recognized and granted Licensure based on experience and examination to practice without limitations across the United States.

I hope you know what that entails.

 

[GoSpursGo]

It's against the SDN Terms of Service to solicit signatures for a petition. Thread closed.