Pharmacists who stutter

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I classify myself as a moderate stutter and tend to trip up on certain words (ie. words that begin with the letter s) and have a hard time communicating clearly. In my previous jobs, I try to avoid talking too much and do so only if necessary. I am currently debating if I should apply to pharmacy school. I have researched this career and believe that I am capable of handling all the stress and workload in science and math courses. However, I also realize that becoming a pharmacists means being an effective communicator, which is why public speaking is one of the pre-pharmacy courses. I also am aware that in pharmacy schools, many presentations are part of the class. Is anyone in the same position as me or has went through this before? I really need some guidance and advice to eliminate this fear.
 
I know a pharmacy student who stutters, but he does fine. Respect is not about how you sound, it's about what you say and how smart you are. Or, at least it should be...
 
I classify myself as a moderate stutter and tend to trip up on certain words (ie. words that begin with the letter s) and have a hard time communicating clearly. In my previous jobs, I try to avoid talking too much and do so only if necessary. I am currently debating if I should apply to pharmacy school. I have researched this career and believe that I am capable of handling all the stress and workload in science and math courses. However, I also realize that becoming a pharmacists means being an effective communicator, which is why public speaking is one of the pre-pharmacy courses. I also am aware that in pharmacy schools, many presentations are part of the class. Is anyone in the same position as me or has went through this before? I really need some guidance and advice to eliminate this fear.

I have a friend in my class who most likely has Tourrette's syndrome. He makes involuntary facial and body movements. But he is a great guy and he is just as likely as anyone else in the class to be a great pharmacist. He is able to communicate effectively (althought it might not be fluent at times), and thats all that matters. I am sure he had similar fears before applying to pharmacy school, but he manages just fine. I will encourage you to go for it without any doubt, if anything it might make you stronger.
 
I know a pharmacy student who stutters, but he does fine. Respect is not about how you sound, it's about what you say and how smart you are. Or, at least it should be...

exaaaaaaaaaaaactly
by the way you pretty much have the greatest avatar on this entire website 😀. you wanna get high??
 
I classify myself as a moderate stutter and tend to trip up on certain words (ie. words that begin with the letter s) and have a hard time communicating clearly. In my previous jobs, I try to avoid talking too much and do so only if necessary. I am currently debating if I should apply to pharmacy school. I have researched this career and believe that I am capable of handling all the stress and workload in science and math courses. However, I also realize that becoming a pharmacists means being an effective communicator, which is why public speaking is one of the pre-pharmacy courses. I also am aware that in pharmacy schools, many presentations are part of the class. Is anyone in the same position as me or has went through this before? I really need some guidance and advice to eliminate this fear.

I stutter. But I do that rarely (once twice per month). Anyway, recently I had to give an oral presentation, and I had some difficulties with a few first words, but after that I was ok. I know that I will always have that type of a problem - so I learned how to deal with that. Good luck anyway.
 
My entire life my brain has gone way faster than my mouth....I frequently just skip words...but don't notice it because I'm thinking 5 paragraphs ahead....and it has gotten me in trouble as people say I mumble a lot. Of course now I'm told it's cause I have the ADHD-PI.....so maybe that's it.
 
thanks for your input guys. hearing this from people like you have already made me more confident. I think I should read and learn self stuttering books and continue to work on this issue. any one know of any helpful techniques?
 
how is your communication ability in your personal life? are you able to communicate effectively with your friends and family? do they understand you and are you able to get your point across? if it doesn't affect your personal life then it shouldn't affect your professional life.
what type of stutterer are you? does it take you a while before words come out your mouth? or do you just do the repetitive thing. are you a very mild stutterer or moderate?
I know that stutterers don't stutter when they sing. I wonder why! I've been told they don't stutter much when they are alone...maybe you're just really nervous easily..it might be cuz you think poeple are analyzing you too deeply so maybe you just need to relax.
 
Have you tried speech therapy? If you have insurance it may cover it. I went as a child becauseIbasicallydidn'tpausebetweenwords and slurredmyspeechtalkingsofast. I still tend to talk a bit faster when I am nervous, but I hear that's pretty common.

Also, keep in mind that not all pharmacy work requires direct patient/doctor communication. I work with tons of pharmacists that spend most of their day plugging away in front of a computer either entering or verifying Rxs.
 
how is your communication ability in your personal life? are you able to communicate effectively with your friends and family? do they understand you and are you able to get your point across? if it doesn't affect your personal life then it shouldn't affect your professional life.
what type of stutterer are you? does it take you a while before words come out your mouth? or do you just do the repetitive thing. are you a very mild stutterer or moderate?
I know that stutterers don't stutter when they sing. I wonder why! I've been told they don't stutter much when they are alone...maybe you're just really nervous easily..it might be cuz you think poeple are analyzing you too deeply so maybe you just need to relax.

I stutter less with people that I'm comfortable with but i still avoiding to start a conversation, or place my input, only if needed. There are times when I have a conversation and it goes well and suddenly the stuttering occurs and I slowly stop talking to avoid any further embarrassment. I find myself a moderate stutterer and tend to replace or subsitute words b/c of the fear of stuttering on that certain word. (ie. studio vs. apartment). And I certainly do stutter more in front of a random crowd, or when I am on the phone with people around me that can listen to my conversation.. it is strange. I dont know why it happens to be honest.

I also find myself to stutter on the phone when I need some information regarding a particular task pretty much b/c I do not know the person on the other end.

i have tried speech therapy in the past, but my insurance did not cover it and it was nearly $40/visit so I had to stop going after a month or so. I also didn't find it very helpful.

its one of the most difficult things to deal, b/c it affects everything in your life... relationships, occupations, personality, etc.
 
I think you overanalyze the situation too much. your vocal cords tighten easily cuz you get nervous so essentially you "choke" its a slow process that's why sometimes in the beginning you don't stutter as much but as the conversation goes on it becomes harder and harder for you because there is cognitive overload as you find yourself thinking about what to say while being too self conscious about how you present yourself and how you sound. then the anxiety kicks in and gets worse. its a positive feedback process at first then becomes negative in that your brain is telling yourself that you need to slow down and the phsycial process of speaking is a stress so therefore it's preventing you from talking normally. it's helping you cope and to slow down and therefore kind of run away from what is causing you stress. The reason this whole cycle ddoesn't happen when you're talking to freinds is cuz you're more relaxed around them and there isn't much cognitive overload. does that make sense? just need to relax. based on what you say you have a fear of people listening to you and analyzing you. hope that helps.
 
I think you overanalyze the situation too much. your vocal cords tighten easily cuz you get nervous so essentially you "choke" its a slow process that's why sometimes in the beginning you don't stutter as much but as the conversation goes on it becomes harder and harder for you because there is cognitive overload as you find yourself thinking about what to say while being too self conscious about how you present yourself and how you sound. then the anxiety kicks in and gets worse. its a positive feedback process at first then becomes negative in that your brain is telling yourself that you need to slow down and the phsycial process of speaking is a stress so therefore it's preventing you from talking normally. it's helping you cope and to slow down and therefore kind of run away from what is causing you stress. The reason this whole cycle ddoesn't happen when you're talking to freinds is cuz you're more relaxed around them and there isn't much cognitive overload. does that make sense? just need to relax. based on what you say you have a fear of people listening to you and analyzing you. hope that helps.

I really appreciate your comments cystapharm and I do believe that fear plays a part in it but it is truly hard to understand. You would practically have to be a stutterer to really envision my experiences. I am not trying to disregard or show any disrespect to what you have stated. Many times, it really isn't a sense of fear that causes stuttering... its something that's just innate. And when I do stutter, people tend to give me an awkard look. I actually do stutter around my friends from time to time, and there were incidents in the past where it was really bad. Some of them would laugh, and some of them are no longer my friends. If anyone has watched the recent episode of True-Life on MTV concerning this issue, its an accurate depiction of many stress and depression that many stutterers grow up and live with. im not going to drag on about this issue b/c it really isnt turning out to be pharmacy related anymore but just wanted you guys to show some compassion next time you meet a fellow stutterer. thanks all~
 
I really appreciate your comments cystapharm and I do believe that fear plays a part in it but it is truly hard to understand. You would practically have to be a stutterer to really envision my experiences. I am not trying to disregard or show any disrespect to what you have stated. Many times, it really isn't a sense of fear that causes stuttering... its something that's just innate. And when I do stutter, people tend to give me an awkard look. I actually do stutter around my friends from time to time, and there were incidents in the past where it was really bad. Some of them would laugh, and some of them are no longer my friends. If anyone has watched the recent episode of True-Life on MTV concerning this issue, its an accurate depiction of many stress and depression that many stutterers grow up and live with. im not going to drag on about this issue b/c it really isnt turning out to be pharmacy related anymore but just wanted you guys to show some compassion next time you meet a fellow stutterer. thanks all~

Hey, I understand how you feel because I have a speech problem myself-- I would never ever laugh or look awkwardly at someone who stutters. I think some people take for granted the ease with which they speak. Not everyone has this ability, and they should try to understand how difficult it is not to be able to say what is in your mind.
 
I classify myself as a moderate stutter and tend to trip up on certain words (ie. words that begin with the letter s) and have a hard time communicating clearly. In my previous jobs, I try to avoid talking too much and do so only if necessary.

So you don't speak at all and only on special occassions nor can you communicate well, correct me if I wrong but is it not that a Pharmacist's job to be in front of a counter interacting with patients, doctors and nurses. Pronouncing the drugs you dispense correctly is also something a pharmacist should know how to do.

I once spoke to a Pharmactist and I honestly say I could not understand any word that was coming out of his mouth. Pharmacist should speak and communicate well; if you can't speak well you sound ignorant.

p.s. You do know that pharmacy schools has an interview section.
 
I too have a stutter, and have since I began talking. I know the frustration you feel, having others complete your sentences, telling you to relax or slow down or whatever wisdom they think they're imparting.

I myself have a BA in computer science, which I undertook largely to avoid dealing with so many speaking situations, but since graduating I've been taking premed classes in hopes of entering an MD program.

I've done speech therapy, and found it to be mostly useless. I've tried any number of pharmacotherapies, including benzos, beta-blockers, and buspirone, and while these helped to some degree, nothing helped enough to justify taking them every day.

It kind of amazes me how many intelligent people there are out there who still view stuttering as some kind of psychosomatic or nervous disorder, rather than the legitimate neurological dysfunction that all research in the past 20-some years seems to be pointing to.

I rarely encounter any negativity towards my stutter. It's hard to hit on girls at the bar, but I've had girlfriends who thought it was cute, so go figure. The worst I've seen is somebody thinks I'm pretending to stutter or something, and mocks me back with it. I'd kind of like to perform crowbar neurosurgery on these people, but I guess I usually feel sorry for their depth of ignorance.

In any case, go for it. 🙂 You're not the only one out there.
 
It kind of amazes me how many intelligent people there are out there who still view stuttering as some kind of psychosomatic or nervous disorder, rather than the legitimate neurological dysfunction that all research in the past 20-some years seems to be pointing to.

Ditto this. I'm a stutterer also (moderate to severe - I have more silent blocks than syllable repetitions), and I wish people would get it through their heads that it's really absolutely not a psychological condition at all; it's as much a neurological condition as Tourette Syndrome or autism. It's really such a misunderstood speech impediment - people don't take it seriously or think you're "slow" or just think you have to "calm down."

Anyway, I think you should go through with applying, because no matter what career you have you're always going to be tackling your speech. I don't know if the pharmacy school application process is anything like med school, but I would mention stuttering in your personal statement since I'm assuming you'll have something like that. At least for me, it's had a huge impact on my life, but aside from that, I'd want to be in my personal statement so that when I DO have a block during an interview it's already been established that it's a "legitimate" stutter and not a "nervous" or "endearing" stutter, so I'm taken seriously from the beginning.

In any case, people are less judgmental than you think, especially if you can spell it out for them that no, you don't just need to "relax." When I meet someone new, I mention that I have a speech impediment and that it might take me a bit longer than normal to say some things. I find that this takes pressure off me to feign fluency and circumlocute so much, and makes things much less awkward for them than if I hadn't told them about it ahead of time.

Man, this is stuff pretty much only other stutterers can understand. It's not that most people aren't well-intentioned, but they're mostly completely patronizing or just plain unhelpful by thinking it's just some nervous habit. Good luck with everything. Go through with what you want to and be up front about it. I doubt it'll be a piece of cake for any of us, but being a closet stutterer is so much harder.
 
Ditto this. I'm a stutterer also (moderate to severe - I have more silent blocks than syllable repetitions),.


I've always wondered what happens during a silent block? A family member of mine is a stutterer and whenever he calls our family we would say hello and hello and it took a while for him to answer back. I've never questioned him.
So why can't you all talk during a silent block? and how come its easier to sing than talk? is it because you already know the lyrics whereas with talking you have to formulate what to say and at the same time tell your brain to get your mouth to move? maybe there is a difficulty in connecting those 2 links. I read somewhere that there really hasnt been a known cause as to why people stutter but there are many methods to help with stuttering and they did include something about relaxing which was why I brought it up.


I read that the VTech murderer dude cho seung hui was a stutterer which was why he never talked and noone ever knew him and never answered during roll calls but yet when he was alone and recorded his manifesto he talked up a storm. I guess it really does affect every aspect of your life and I do apologize if I offended anyone with little knowledge I have about this subject matter.
 
So you don't speak at all and only on special occassions nor can you communicate well, correct me if I wrong but is it not that a Pharmacist's job to be in front of a counter interacting with patients, doctors and nurses. Pronouncing the drugs you dispense correctly is also something a pharmacist should know how to do.

I once spoke to a Pharmactist and I honestly say I could not understand any word that was coming out of his mouth. Pharmacist should speak and communicate well; if you can't speak well you sound ignorant.

p.s. You do know that pharmacy schools has an interview section.
If you don't know what you're talking about and enjoy mouthing off your feelings in a thread that is obviously important to those who participate in it, you will sound ignorant. Your words must be indicative of the good communication skills that pharmacists should have 👎.
 
If you don't know what you're talking about and enjoy mouthing off your feelings in a thread that is obviously important to those who participate in it, you will sound ignorant. Your words must be indicative of the good communication skills that pharmacists should have 👎.

Actually everything I said in my comment is just a repeat of what the OP said. And yes good communication skills is "indicative" of pharmacists.👍
 
I've always wondered what happens during a silent block?


The commonly accepted physiological theory of stuttering, very generally, is that it is a breaking down of speech timing loops in motor and other areas of the brain, due to dopamine imbalance (among other things.) It is thought that singing, as well as chorus speaking (pledge of allegiance, etc) aren't affected by stuttering disorders because they utilize a different sort of timing loop. If you're curious, you should check out some articles on the subject, like this one:

Structural and functional abnormalities of the motor system in developmental stuttering.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17928317
 
Actually everything I said in my comment is just a repeat of what the OP said. And yes good communication skills is "indicative" of pharmacists.👍
No one said anything about sounding ignorant. For some strange reason, you must have felt that it was an appropriate word to use in this thread. Before posting something like that, did you consider the fact that the OP might be offended by it?

The accurate usage of grammar is also indicative of good communication. Therefore, you should have written "good communication skills are 'indicative' of pharmacists".
 
No one said anything about sounding ignorant. For some strange reason, you must have felt that it was an appropriate word to use in this thread. Before posting something like that, did you consider the fact that the OP might be offended by it?

The accurate usage of grammar is also indicative of good communication. Therefore, you should have written "good communication skills are 'indicative' of pharmacists".

Good catch PharmDstudent!:idea: @OP, My sincere apologies as I have no animosity towards you or anyone with a suttering condition. I merely was stressing the importance of good communication skills in life and in the workplace. That said, you're free to do whatever you want.
 
Good catch PharmDstudent!:idea: @OP, My sincere apologies as I have no animosity towards you or anyone with a suttering condition. I merely was stressing the importance of good communication skills in life and in the workplace. That said, you're free to do whatever you want.
Truce!
 
So you don't speak at all and only on special occassions nor can you communicate well, correct me if I wrong but is it not that a Pharmacist's job to be in front of a counter interacting with patients, doctors and nurses. Pronouncing the drugs you dispense correctly is also something a pharmacist should know how to do.

I once spoke to a Pharmactist and I honestly say I could not understand any word that was coming out of his mouth. Pharmacist should speak and communicate well; if you can't speak well you sound ignorant.

p.s. You do know that pharmacy schools has an interview section.

its not like i cant carry a conversation but its something that is difficult at times. BTW being a stutterer doesnt make you ignorant.. many intelligent individuals that you probably are unaware of have made a major impact in our society (ie. winston churchill, charles darwin, Frank Wolf, etc.).

p.s. i am aware that pharmacy schools has interviews. i have done interviews in the past .. sometimes they were good, sometimes they were bad.

p.s.
 
I'm in a similar situation. I'm in my second year and I am starting to get graded for counseling and patient interviews. I always freeze due to anxieties when being observed and it always results in low grades. However, I do well in my other classes. I agree with other posters that there is no easy fix with stuttering or anxiety. I've tried to practice my counseling with family members but it doesn't help when it comes to being examined. I now wish I could have evaluated my alternatives before I applied to pharmacy school, because these patient counseling exercises have ruined my confidence. I would suggest you get some patient experience to make sure you know what you are getting into. By the way there are pharmacy jobs out there where you won't have to interact with many people. I would research those as well.
 
I'm in a similar situation. I'm in my second year and I am starting to get graded for counseling and patient interviews. I always freeze due to anxieties when being observed and it always results in low grades. ..... I now wish I could have evaluated my alternatives before I applied to pharmacy school, because these patient counseling exercises have ruined my confidence.

Don't beat yourself up too bad over this. I think lots of students freeze up and get nervous during this type of situation when you are being directly observed. I know for a fact that I do a much better job counseling a patient when I'm not being directly observed by a professor or preceptor. Also, I'm sure you'll get better at this with more and more experience.

It's no good that it's negatively affecting your grades, but honestly in the real world you won't have someone standing over your shoulder critiquing your every word.
 
My entire life my brain has gone way faster than my mouth....I frequently just skip words...but don't notice it because I'm thinking 5 paragraphs ahead....and it has gotten me in trouble as people say I mumble a lot. Of course now I'm told it's cause I have the ADHD-PI.....so maybe that's it.

ADHD-I? As in ADD/ADHD-I?
 
I too have a stutter, and have since I began talking. I know the frustration you feel, having others complete your sentences, telling you to relax or slow down or whatever wisdom they think they're imparting.

I know this is an old thread, but someone else bumped it.

Anyway, this makes me feel bad! I worked with a medical resident who stuttered, with the repeated syllables, and while she is super duper sweet, it's hard to get through a phone call with her. She does much better inperson, but that isn't always an option.

What is the best way to deal with someone who is stuttering - I don't blame her or mind helping at all - in fact I'm glad to. I don't want to make her feel bad or uncomfortable. I've usually tried to finish sentences - so that's not good?
 
you should look into joining a Toastmasters club in your local area. Its a public speaking club that will give you more avenues to practice presenting.
 
I stutter too. I also have the habit of combining syllabes (three syllables into two syllables words) without noticing it.

I find thinking about what I have to say and saying it very slowly helps a lot. For presentations, I practice the entire presentation so that I dont trip on words.

I am like WVU. Pretty much through out my life, I think a lot faster than I can speak... which is why I rant a lot also.
 
We have a preceptor who stutters. He precepts a hospital pharmacy rotation (cardiothoracic surgery area I believe). He was voted preceptor of the year by the 4th years this year, and teacher of the year by the P3's. So he's obviously doing something right despite the stuttering.
 
I know this is an old thread, but someone else bumped it.

Anyway, this makes me feel bad! I worked with a medical resident who stuttered, with the repeated syllables, and while she is super duper sweet, it's hard to get through a phone call with her. She does much better inperson, but that isn't always an option.

What is the best way to deal with someone who is stuttering - I don't blame her or mind helping at all - in fact I'm glad to. I don't want to make her feel bad or uncomfortable. I've usually tried to finish sentences - so that's not good?


This is a question I think alot of people have. As a stutterer myself, I agree with previous posts that advising someone to "slow down/relax" is hurting more than it's helping. Trying to finish the stutterer's sentence is also not as helpful. The best thing to do is to give your speaker complete attention when the stutterer starts to stutter. For me, when my listener seems interested in what I am saying, and is not hurried, than I don't have to hurry my speech and it results in much more fluent speech. Some people who stutter have difficulty making eye contact because of different coping mechanisms during a block/repetition, so this technique may not help for these people. It might make the problem even worse. Although, in general, anything you can think to do that will help the stutterer feel more comfortable will help. I hope this helps
 
I stutter too. I also have the habit of combining syllabes (three syllables into two syllables words) without noticing it.

I find thinking about what I have to say and saying it very slowly helps a lot. For presentations, I practice the entire presentation so that I dont trip on words.

I am like WVU. Pretty much through out my life, I think a lot faster than I can speak... which is why I rant a lot also.

This might not make sense to anyone but me...but what the hell...

I have to use a neutral accent when I have the "professional mike" suit on...if I don't, people assume I'm an illiterate hillbilly the first time I use the words "I figure..." to start a sentence...and...yes...you non-hilljack folk are actually that god damn prejudiced. Anyway...I've found that giving in to my inner hilljack and speaking in my native Appalachian tongue helps. Whenever I speak with my "neutral" accent that I've forced myself to acquire, I seem to speed through my speech. I think its because country speech patterns seem to be rather slow intrinsically. I feel like I am speaking S L O W...but apparently I'm not...

So anyway...see if speaking like a Southerner helps. It might take some time for people to get used to an Asian person that sounds like Gomer Pyle, but at least your speech may slow down.
 
i stuttered then, i stutter now. and as i work in retail, i can't get away from it. mostly on L sounds though. so imagine my fear when i have to transfer lipitor.

but in school, during presentations, you decide what you say. find ways to get your point across without those words. if its something on the fly, i tend to elongate the syllable as i try to get it out. doesn't sound quite as bad. and i focused on someone i knew who wouldn't do something stupid like make faces at me during the presentation. tune everybody else out and it will seem like you're just teaching your friend something instead of making a presentation in front of all those people
 
This might not make sense to anyone but me...but what the hell...

I have to use a neutral accent when I have the "professional mike" suit on...if I don't, people assume I'm an illiterate hillbilly the first time I use the words "I figure..." to start a sentence...and...yes...you non-hilljack folk are actually that god damn prejudiced. Anyway...I've found that giving in to my inner hilljack and speaking in my native Appalachian tongue helps. Whenever I speak with my "neutral" accent that I've forced myself to acquire, I seem to speed through my speech. I think its because country speech patterns seem to be rather slow intrinsically. I feel like I am speaking S L O W...but apparently I'm not...

So anyway...see if speaking like a Southerner helps. It might take some time for people to get used to an Asian person that sounds like Gomer Pyle, but at least your speech may slow down.
I'm the opposite. I speak TOO SLOWLY. For this reason, I hate hearing my voice played back. I sound like I'm drunk.
 
My mom has a moderate to severe stutter and I found when talking to her or anyone who stutters, that you have to just be patient and let them speak it seems to slow down their stuttering alot when they don't feel like they're being rushed to speak. Boy I tell you when she gets pissed off, oh there is never a stutter in any of her choice words LOL
 
I stutter here and there also... I never had this problem until maybe 1 or 2 years ago, and I can sympathizes with anyone that has this problem... one trick I use that works is to actually think about what your going say before your actually say it(ie. think before you speak).. It takes some time to get used to this, but with practice it will improve stuttering.
 
heyy I sent you (piyi) a private message regarding this post because I to am dealing with the same problem and wanted to know how you dealth with pharmacy school interviews and if you stated the problem in your personal statement
 
I stutter too. I also have the habit of combining syllabes (three syllables into two syllables words) without noticing it.

I find thinking about what I have to say and saying it very slowly helps a lot. For presentations, I practice the entire presentation so that I dont trip on words.

I am like WVU. Pretty much through out my life, I think a lot faster than I can speak... which is why I rant a lot also.

--did you mention your problem in your personal statement and how did stuttering affect your interview for pharm school
 
Yeah, I tend to mumble/speed talk. We do these patient counseling things in lab, and we have a timer. I'm usually done explaining everything to the patient in less than a minute. Last time I got points taken off because I forgot to ask the patient to repeat what they learned back.
 
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