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Hay folks,

I'm new to this board, but the forums look good. Anyhow, does anyone know what the average tuition for pharmacy school is? And is it the same once you begin clinicals? By the way, I've heard that UOP is the most expensive pharmacy school. How much is it? And are there other less expensive accelerated pharmacy programs out there?

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Brain hurts... question way too broad... can't reply with any concrete answer.... It is just too variable to determine without knowing where you want to go. I would go to the school's website and look it up. I think that the range is something like $7,000/year to $36,000+/year (UofP-ish). It depends on if you go public or private, in-state or out, etc. Check out www.aacp.org for links to all of the US pharm schools. Keep in mind that you can take out loans to cover almost all your tuition/living expenses for all years, and yes, sometimes the tuition is more for the final year.

Jd
 
I don't know where those numbers came from but they are way off. It's posted $17,694, when in reality it's "For the 2002-2003 academic year, the tuition is $23,591" $6,000 is a lot to be off. Make sure everyone double-checks their numbers!

Jd
 
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keep in mind UOP is a three year program and tuition for the last year is 20 k. So its not that bad....it still sucks.
 
Right, the only reason why i'm asking about UOP is because:

1) The school has affiliations with some hospitals in Hawaii and you can do your third year clinicals there.

2) Even though the tuition isn't mentioned on UOP's pharmacy home page, i've read somewhere in this forum that tuition there is $50,000 a year... not including the 3rd year. That's friggen insane!

3) I like the idea of being done in less than 3 years than 4.

Sorry if the question was generalized across the range of pharmacy schools. I'm sure the private ones are much more expensive than in state pharm schools.
 
For the first 2 years, UOP's total tuition and fees is $37,185 (3 semesters) and total university costs (including room and board)is $53,686. For the 3rd and last year, UOP's total tuition and fees is $23,480 and total university costs (including room and board) is $36,098.

http://www3.uop.edu/admissions4/pharmd/PharmDFinancialAidTuition.htm

[Edit: the numbers were changed]

I prefer 4-year program over 3-year program because:
(1) I need my summer
(2) I can work during the summer ($16/hr = $8500 for 3 mths). I can use this money to help pay for my tuition and not borrow too much loans.
(3) Accumulate some of the 1,500 required hours of pharmacy related experience.
 
Originally posted by BMBiology
UOP's total tuition and fees is $36,255 (3 semesters) and total university costs (including room and board) is $46,130.

http://www3.uop.edu/admissions4/aboutpacific/tuition.htm

I prefer 4-year program over 3-year program because:
(1) I need my summer

*(2) I can work during the summer ($16/hr = $8500 for 3 mths). I can use this money to help pay for my tuition and not borrow too much loans.*

(3) Accumulate some of the 1,500 required hours of pharmacy related experience.

I had a really hard time deciding between a 3-year or 4-year program, and while reasons 1 and 3 make perfect sense, reason 2 does not. If you did a 3 year, you would get to work sooner, with a license. That extra year could earn you over $100,000 (minus the $27,000 that you could earn over the summers). Many three-years end up being cheaper than the four-years for tuition also (it was in my case). In the end I picked my program for several reasons, but the though of essentially saving over $100k certainly influenced my decision.

Jd
 
What other schools besides UOP have a 3 year program? Thanks 🙂
 
Reason #2 and #3 are linked together.

In addition, I would not expect to make an extra $100,000 if I attend a 3-year school instead of a 4-year school. The starting salary of a pharmacist in California is approximately $95,000 a year. After 35% income tax, it is $62,000 a year. The 3-summer salary of a pharmacist intern in California is approximately $30,000 (increases in salary over the 3 summer period and tax return are taken into consideration). The difference in a 1-year salary of a pharmacist and 3-summer salary of a pharmacist intern is about $32,000.

It would be more cost effective to attend a 4-year public school such as UCSD (tuition: $10,000 X 4 years = $40,000) than a 3-year private school such as UOP [(tuition: $37,250 a year X 2 years >> $74,500 + $25,500 (3rd year) = $100,000]. The difference in total tuition is $60,000, which most likely would come from loans.
 
Public 4 year schools will always be cheaper.
Cost between USC and UOP on the other hand....really really close.
 
Originally posted by azpremed
What other schools besides UOP have a 3 year program? Thanks 🙂

LECOM

www.lecom.edu

Midwestern, (College of Pharmacy, Glendale only)

www.midwestern.edu

Umm, there are 3 more, I think. But keep in mind that many 4-year programs will allow students to accelerate and graduate in about 3.2 years. A 'true 3 year program' is usually something like 2 years and 10 months. Anyone know the other 3 year programs? Isn't there one in Mass?

Jd
 
Originally posted by BMBiology
Reason #2 and #3 are linked together.

In addition, I would not expect to make an extra $100,000 if I attend a 3-year school instead of a 4-year school. The starting salary of a pharmacist in California is approximately $95,000 a year. After 35% income tax, it is $62,000 a year. The 3-year salary of a pharmacist intern in California is approximately $30,000 (increases in salary over the 3 year period and tax return are taken into consideration). The difference in a 1-year salary of a pharmacist and 3-year salary of a pharmaist intern is about $32,000.

It would be more cost effective to attend a 4-year public school such as UCSD (tuition: $10,000 X 4 years = $40,000) than a 3-year private school such as UOP (tuition: $36,000 a year X 3 years = $108,000). The difference in total tuition is $68,000, which most likely would come from loans.

UofP vs UCSD, you're absolutely right. NO CONTEST there. I was just using the numbers that I had my choices between. In my case, even the tuition is less (21,500x4 vs 23,500x3), not to mention any income, less student loan interest, etc. I suppose that's why we all get to make our own choices.

Jd
 
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Originally posted by jdpharmd?
LECOM

www.lecom.edu

Midwestern, (College of Pharmacy, Glendale only)

www.midwestern.edu

Umm, there are 3 more, I think. But keep in mind that many 4-year programs will allow students to accelerate and graduate in about 3.2 years. A 'true 3 year program' is usually something like 2 years and 10 months. Anyone know the other 3 year programs? Isn't there one in Mass?

Jd

Massachusetts College of Pharmacy at Worcester
http://www.mcp.edu/ap/spw.shtml

and my school, Nevada College of Pharmacy
http://www.nvcp.edu
 
Oops, sorry, my bad, LV!

Jd
 
The total tuition of a 4-year private school such as USC ($28,000 X 4 years) is $116,000 as compared to a 3-year private school such as UOP ($38,000 a year X 3 years) is $111,000. The difference in total tuition between USC and UOP is $5,000. Furthermore, a student from USC can work doing the summer as a pharmacy intern and use that money to partially pay for the tuition. As a result, he does not have to borrow as much loans while accumulating some of the 1,500 required hours of pharmacy related experience.

The above calculation doesn't take into consideration of the cheaper tuition during the rotation year (the 4th year at USC and 3rd year at UOP).

*I can't find the 4th year tuition for USC.
 
Hey LVPharm,

I didn't know Nevada had a 3 year pharmacy program. What's the tuition like at your school, and do you know how your program stacks up against UoP, i.e. course work, places to do your rotations, amount of seats open for incoming class? By the way, what semester are you currently in? Damn, Las Vegas sounds much better to me that Stockton.
 
As a result, he does not have to borrow as much loans while accumulating some of the 1,500 required hours of pharmacy related experience.

I went to a 3 year school and had my 500 hours needed done by the time rotations start (they provide you 1000 hours via rotations). For me, I could not imagine stretching out pharmacy school a whole additional year.

In your calculation, you failed to add in the lost year of wages as did the above UCSD calculation. Rarely, would a 4 year school be more economical in the long run, unless of course your comparing a ridiculously expensive school (UOP) to an inexpensive school. There are those who enjoy being at school and wouldnt mind the 4 years, and then there are those who are ready to get on with their life. No more finals!

Also, the 3 intense years allowed me to immerse myself in the curriculum without breaks and made remembering the stuff I learned at the beginning a little easier.
 
Originally posted by GravyRPH
Rarely, would a 4 year school be more economical in the long run, unless of course your comparing a ridiculously expensive school (UOP) to an inexpensive school.

My tuition for a state institution is $6,100 per year for 4 years. I assume that this is normal for a state school. I also thought that all 3 year schools were private and cost an arm and a leg. For me, it did not make economical sense to apply to a 3 year school.
 
6100 X 4 = 24,400 + 100,000 years wages lost= 124,400 - whatever you can make over summer = 100,000 approx.

37,500 x 3 = 112,500 - 100,000 years wages = 12,500 - whatever you can make on weekends after hours = 0


wow, its free to go to a 3 year school! I had no idea. 🙂

Thats called "new" math. 🙄
 
Originally posted by GravyRPH
In your calculation, you failed to add in the lost year of wages as did the above UCSD calculation. Rarely, would a 4 year school be more economical in the long run

If you had read my post more closely, you would have realized that I did take the 1-year pharmacist wage into consideration:

"In addition, I would not expect to make an extra $100,000 if I attend a 3-year school instead of a 4-year school. The starting salary of a pharmacist in California is approximately $95,000 a year. After 35% income tax, it is $62,000 a year. The 3-summer salary of a pharmacist intern in California is approximately $30,000 (increases in salary over the 3 summer period and tax return are taken into consideration). The difference in a 1-year salary of a pharmacist and 3-summer salary of a pharmacist intern is about $32,000".

If you take into account of the 3-summer salary of a pharmacist intern and 1-year pharmacist salary after income tax, you only would have earned an additional $32,000 if u attend a 3-year school than a 4-year school.

For example: 2 students, at age 22, start pharmacy school.

Student #1 goes to a public school such as UCSD:
$10,000 (tuition) X 4 years = $40,000
$40,000- $30,000 (3-summer salary as pharmacist intern) = $10,000 (owe)

Student #2 goes to a private school such as UOP:
$37,250 (tuition) x 2 years + $25,500 (3rd year) = $100,000
$100,000 - $65,000 (a year pharmacist salary after income tax) = $35,000 (owe).

At age 26, student #1 (UCSD) owes $10,000, while student #2 (UOP) owes $35,000. I am not even taking loan interest into account here. As you can see, it is economically more effective to attend UCSD than UOP in the long run.

I am using UOP as an example because it's the only 3-year program in California and its California board passage rate is similar to USC and UCSF, not like the 3-year pharmacy schools outside of California.
 
Yes, your UCSD calculation looks right on, I can't really argue with those numbers. The one I was comparing was the USC one, maybe I was just looking for something to nitpick. In one of those moods, I guess. 🙂 I have also heard from many students that 4 year schools allow them more time to get actual experience working in a pharmaciy due to their summer's off. I highly recommend to any 3 year school student to get a job as an intern ASAP as well. It will be invaluable in your preparation for the boards. I have no actual study data but I believe those who work 1-2 days a week up until their board exams(stopping a few weeks before for intense studying) have a much higher pass rate then those who do not work at all besides what the university provided rotations give them. This seems a bit off thread, but I guess my point is that you can still make some offset money while at a 3 year school. I worked approx. 20 hours per week during all 3 years, and the time it took away from studying made up for itself with the benefits of knowing a lot more practical experience for the boards.

Also, one of my recommendations for future pharmacists of america is to always get your education at the most inexpensive school possible. Which seems to be an enduring theme on several threads I've looked over in this forum.

Now if I can only find how to check my private messages. Heh.
 
3-year programs(lecom). For example me i am supposed to owe an estimated $116,000(tuition PLUS living expenses). $53,000 is tuition fees. The rest is living expenses and institutional fees. SO, guys the cost of living expenses is like the tuition costs. Something to consider.

In PA, you are required to have 750hours of internship out side school and 750hours in school. I am assuming that in school pharmacy rotations (internship) is paid??????. Am i correct?

First semester of second year is rotations.

Last year of school is all rotations.

So, a total of 4 semesters paid internship (in school). It approximately equals a years worth of rotations because the third is only 9months of school.

Let's say you get paid $10/hour. I don't know how much interns get paid. Do you guys know?

Let's assume you work 40hrs/week during the rotations. Am i correct (you are supposed to work 40hrs)?

In school pharmacy rotations:
40hours * $10/hour = $400 * 4week = $1600 * 12months = $19,200. Minus tax(35%), approximately $13,000.

Outside pharmacy internship:
750hours(you can earn this much hours if you work 15hours/week during your first year). 750 * $10 = $7500. Minus tax(35%), approximately $5000.

Hence, at total of $18,000 in earning while you are in school. Not bad for a 3-year program.

I think my figures are less.

By the way, you guys are only considering tuition fees. What about living expenses and institutional fees. Aren?t the living costs in California very high? Since, none of you guys stated living costs, i am assuming you will be living with your parents or have someone pay for your living expenses.


Questions:
During pharmacy rotations(in school). Do you get paid? Do you have to move? Can you stay at the same place or in the same city?
 
As far as i know, i don't think you get paid during those internships arranged by the school. Instead, you pay them for letting you work there!!! 😡
As for location, there are different internship sites that you can choose from. But it all depends on the school's network.
 
Originally posted by mililaniguy
Hey LVPharm,

I didn't know Nevada had a 3 year pharmacy program. What's the tuition like at your school, and do you know how your program stacks up against UoP, i.e. course work, places to do your rotations, amount of seats open for incoming class? By the way, what semester are you currently in? Damn, Las Vegas sounds much better to me that Stockton.

Sorry for the late response. I just got started with my 6 week community pharmacy rotation so I haven't had much time to check all the threads. I just finished my first year. LV sounds a lot better than Stockton (and it is 😉 ), but lets face it...I'm taking a risk in getting involved in a relatively new program (Despite the Dean's record of successfully starting up the Western U program). We DON'T have full ACPE accreditation, we are still candidate status. The school will graduate its first class later this year, then hopefully get accredited thereafter.

I'll also clear up a common misconception here...the University of Nevada is NOT affiliated with our school. UNR was supposed to get a pharm program because the regents approved it, but the state legislature didn't approve it (a college of dentistry was more important to the legislature). For now and probably for many years to come we are Nevada's only school of pharmacy.

Coursework is also difficult to compare since, although we cover the same courses, we have a "block" curricular structure...one course at a time instead of several courses taken during a quarter or semester. We spend about 6 hours a day for however long (about 2-3 weeks) on one course.

Tuition is ~$27,000/yr with no "discount" on the 3rd rotation year.

Because there is no other Nevada pharmacy school, we have good rotation sites at University Medical Center (quite a few of their clinicians are pharmacy practice professors on our school's faculty), and Sunrise Hospital and Medical Center for 3rd year rotations. We also have our pick of any retail pharmacy in the LV area. It is good to be the only pharm school in the state...we have many available practice sites. Students at some other pharm schools back east have had to commute considerable distances to get to their sites, while some of my classmates get placed at sites down the street from where they live. Our school tries to place students at pharmacies close to their residences. Many of the students are from California, and request California locations. I was able to get a Target pharmacy pretty close to my house here in Los Angeles for my first year summer rotation (~10 minute commute). A lot of students are also doing their 3rd year hospital stuff in California...Dr. Lacy (of "Drug Information Handbook" fame) is the coordinator for clinical programs at our school...he seems to be able to place people quite successfully in CA.

We had ~800 applicants for ~100 seats this year, we interviewed close to 400. It's been tough nationwide this year.
 
LV sounds a lot better than Stockton (and it is ),

Now wait one minute!! I just went to Stockton and let me tell ya, it is AWESOME! There is so much to do! They have a Target and TWO malls. Yes, you heard correctly. When I've had enough of that, there's only one thing to do:
Lodi Road Trip!

🙂 jason
 
haha its all about uop...and anyways NVCP put me on the waiting list...ggrrrr
 
Yeah you boys are in for some serious FOG!!! It's crazy scary driving around after about 5 pm when the fog starts rollin' in. I had an ex that lived in Napa, w/fam in Lodi and Acampo. That was unrelenting fog on roads that are dangerous when fully illuminated.🙁
 
Yup, the "Tule Fog"....they've had the WORST pileups you can ever imagine on those highways through the Central Valley. Be careful out there.
 
Using the summers to earn required practice hours is not a valid reason to attend a 4-year school. All schools are mandated to provide at least 1000 hours of clerkship. Most schools are You'll easily gain the other 500 in preparation for boards. Unless you are in a special state that requires special procedures with the NAPLEX, North Dakota or Nebraska, you generally want to take the time to study. TTis certainly goes for CA licentiate exam.

In terms of money, it gets a little murky. The straight math question does look better, but even with the tax calculation, most 1st year non-resident/fellowship pharmacists earn about $60-70K for the first year. On the other hand, loans will accrue more on a 4 -year program but have a higher principal in 3-year programs. An excellent school like UA and UT Austin, loans are not an issue ($3000 annual tuition and fees). UCSF becomes more of a problem due to its high in-state tuition. UOP roughly balances out with UCSF in terms of money, but is certainly blown away by the other public institutions.

I personally chose a 3-year program because I want to enter graduate school faster.
 
Originally posted by lord999

I personally chose a 3-year program because I want to enter graduate school faster.

I know it's a bit off-topic here, but I'm curious.... Will you be pursuing a PhD in Pharmacology? Toxicology? Are you planning on pursuing a career in industry?
 
I want to enter the JD/Ph. D. program at Minnesota under the health combined degree program. I prefer Informatics or Health Services Research. Although this will take a long time (6-8 years), pharmacy is truly my undergraduate degree. I'll be the youngest Pharm. D. licentiate for my state at 21.
 
Originally posted by lord999
I want to enter the JD/Ph. D. program at Minnesota under the health combined degree program. I prefer Informatics or Health Services Research. Although this will take a long time (6-8 years), pharmacy is truly my undergraduate degree. I'll be the youngest Pharm. D. licentiate for my state at 21.

Very, very cool! 😀 Best of luck to you!
 
hey lord999, are you seriously going to graduate with a pharmd degree at age 21? Did you skip high school?
 
No, I just knew in high school what I needed to do quickly. The only class I needed for prerequsite before Pharm was OChem, and I did that my senior year. If you think about it:

1. AP English Grammar/AP English Lit
2. AP Biology
3. AP Chemistry
4. AP Calculus BC
5. AP European History/AP US History/AP Government
6. AP Economics (Micro and Macro)
7. AP Stats
8. AP Physics B and C

You can accomplish every single prereq in high school and enter pharmacy directly except for Ochem. Otherwise, you are a easy applicant.

I had originally planned on doing Pharmacy as an undergraduate and the MSTP as a graduate program. From most of the MSTP candidates I know, they have dissuaded me from entering the program. Furthermore, when I started clerkship, I noticed that I only had a 40 hour a week clerkship, while it was not uncommon for med students to have three 18 hour days and one 6 off. That takes a toll. I found that I'm not willing to make that sacrifice. Pharmacy is as close as I want to get to a patient.

I also found that I have a latent ability for other things that I didn't know until pharmacy started.
 
dam lord999, i feel very old now.
 
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