Pharmacy schools really are accepting everyone

[pjm9706]

University of Arizona just accepted someone with a 26 ON THEIR PCAT! (see pre-pharm forum)

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[magicgradstudent]

dude not even 26, he came back and clarified that it was a 23..........................................

 

[quickpic007]

dude not even 26, he came back and clarified that it was a 23..........................................

"extenuating circumstances"...

 

[bulldog1123]

If you follow the entire thread, its pretty clear the OP is trolling.

 

[Apples2Oranges]

yeah it was definitely a troll forum but it does say a lot about where pharmacy is going

eventually it'll be similar to law school, so the top arbitrary percentage and well-networked people may make it and the rest are dirt.

 

[sdh02]

When I applied pharmacy schools back in 2014, one school I applied to accepted student who had a reading score of 5%, failed couple courses, with 2.5ish GPA. The school accepted me for admission but I couldn't imagine attending school that basically accept anyone....

 

[Nguyen2017]

If they can make it out, let them in.
If they can't, let them pay for their stupidity.

 

[Monsterdaddy]

It's actually an improvement, I'm serious. Prior years had a low of 12% and 16%.

Now here is the most important point not to be overlooked. For this incoming class at U of Arizona, they actually DID NOT FILL THE ENTIRE CLASS! Only 111 entered out of 120. BRAVO to U of Arizona for not accepting anyone with a pulse and leaving 9 slots open. This actually improved all their class profile stats, avg PCAT is finally above 70% again!

If only more schools like U of Arizona start doing this the pharmacist oversupply can be alleviated.

P.S. I'm sure other schools are accepting students as bad as this. U of Arizona is actually just very honest in revealing detailed class profile stats (just Google em).

 

[TerryTerry]

I doubt if the University of Arizona wants to ruin their reputation by doing such thing. $200000 is not worth the bad reputation.

 

[AsuPharm]

It's actually an improvement, I'm serious. Prior years had a low of 12% and 16%.

Now here is the most important point not to be overlooked. For this incoming class at U of Arizona, they actually DID NOT FILL THE ENTIRE CLASS! Only 111 entered out of 120. BRAVO to U of Arizona for not accepting anyone with a pulse and leaving 9 slots open. This actually improved all their class profile stats, avg PCAT is finally above 70% again!

If only more schools like U of Arizona start doing this the pharmacist oversupply can be alleviated.

P.S. I'm sure other schools are accepting students as bad as this. U of Arizona is actually just very honest in revealing detailed class profile stats (just Google em).

Except this year the dean dropped a few requirements (such as you must have at least a B in ochem and anatomy) and class of 2021 now has 140 students.

 

[Monsterdaddy]

Wow, U of A is really going to go through with that? Are they going to PharmCAS? Because I can't imagine what idiots they will need to accept to fill out 140. They get less than 200 applications a year!!!

 

[lord999]

It's actually an improvement, I'm serious. Prior years had a low of 12% and 16%.

Now here is the most important point not to be overlooked. For this incoming class at U of Arizona, they actually DID NOT FILL THE ENTIRE CLASS! Only 111 entered out of 120. BRAVO to U of Arizona for not accepting anyone with a pulse and leaving 9 slots open. This actually improved all their class profile stats, avg PCAT is finally above 70% again!

If only more schools like U of Arizona start doing this the pharmacist oversupply can be alleviated.

P.S. I'm sure other schools are accepting students as bad as this. U of Arizona is actually just very honest in revealing detailed class profile stats (just Google em).

Well, they could have done this in 1998 and prevent Midwestern from opening, but the former dean and current dean at the time did not want to expand beyond 35-40 students. Thank you Marty (Dalton) Baker for being a complete jerk during my era, and now willing to take just about anyone now that the state cut off funding.

Although, PCAT alone doesn't bother me as much as someone who turns in a poor written statement. There's also the issue that U of A does not admit out of state except for WICHE unless under exceptional circumstances.

 

[Monsterdaddy]

Last I heard U of A is still enforcing the no AP credit for sciences which I think is ridiculous.

 

[Apples2Oranges]

This all sounds like greed to me from UofA, and I'm surprised people still go there. No AP classes = more time and money in school for students.

Times have changed rather quickly. I remembered when getting into pharm school was competitive. My school required at least a 50% composite and the avg is in the mid-high 80s for entering classes. And the PCAT wasn't particularly hard either. You can guess randomly on every question on the exam and make above a 20. This is ridiculous.

Too bad ASHP and BOP isn't and won't do anything about it.

 

[PumpkinSmasher]

Last year one of my interns told me 20% of his class was held back over the course of pharmacy school...

 

[AsuPharm]

There's also the issue that U of A does not admit out of state except for WICHE unless under exceptional circumstances.

Also false. At least 10 students in my class are out of state and probably about 15 are international. None fall under the WICHE. Go to the school's website and you'll see they are trying to cater to international students now. Dean Schnellman is running this place like a business, our future's be damned.

 

[Monsterdaddy]

Last year one of my interns told me 20% of his class was held back over the course of pharmacy school...

My alma mater published an 86% graduation rate. From the interns I have talked to I expect that number to get worse each year.

Anyone know why U of Arizona refuses to use PharmCAS? Top 10 rated school with low in state tuition, should have over a thousand applications not 200.

 

[mentos]

It's actually an improvement, I'm serious. Prior years had a low of 12% and 16%.

Now here is the most important point not to be overlooked. For this incoming class at U of Arizona, they actually DID NOT FILL THE ENTIRE CLASS! Only 111 entered out of 120. BRAVO to U of Arizona for not accepting anyone with a pulse and leaving 9 slots open. This actually improved all their class profile stats, avg PCAT is finally above 70% again!

If only more schools like U of Arizona start doing this the pharmacist oversupply can be alleviated.

9 less students is good, but it's still nothing. Every pharmacy school in the world could close and accept zero students, and there would still be an oversupply of pharmacists.

 

[AsuPharm]

9 less students is good, but it's still nothing. Every pharmacy school in the world could close and accept zero students, and there would still be an oversupply of pharmacists.

They filled the class with 140 the next year by dropping standards, look at their class thread.

 

[297point1]

If they can make it out, let them in.
If they can't, let them pay for their stupidity.

ACPE won't allow it...if the failure rate reaches 6% in any given graduating class, it's a problem. If the delayed a year (or two) rate reaches 6% in any given graduating class, it's a problem.
Do either of these things three times in a five year period, and it's a big problem for the program.

On time graduation rate and total graduation rate are getting far more attention than NAPLEX pass rates. For now.

 

[deleted820760]

ACPE won't allow it...if the failure rate reaches 6% in any given graduating class, it's a problem. If the delayed a year (or two) rate reaches 6% in any given graduating class, it's a problem.
Do either of these things three times in a five year period, and it's a big problem for the program.

On time graduation rate and total graduation rate are getting far more attention than NAPLEX pass rates. For now.

So, in other words, they are just passing and graduating people just so their program won't be under scrutiny, not because the students actually should have passed or graduated. I already knew this just from looking at the Naplex pass rates, but I didn't know 6% was the cut off. How stupid. So it's more important to graduate people on time than to prepare competent pharmacists apparently.

 

[CetiAlphaFive]

Last year one of my interns told me 20% of his class was held back over the course of pharmacy school...

I can think of 5 from my initial class of ~90 that didn't ever graduate, and 1 that was held back

 

[297point1]

So, in other words, they are just passing and graduating people just so their program won't be under scrutiny, not because the students actually should have passed or graduated. I already knew this just from looking at the Naplex pass rates, but I didn't know 6% was the cut off. How stupid. So it's more important to graduate people on time than to prepare competent pharmacists apparently.

The cratering NAPLEX pass rate got everybody's attention.
I don't think the 6% standard is going to last much longer...look for the threshold for that metric to grow.

 

[Nguyen2017]

ACPE won't allow it...if the failure rate reaches 6% in any given graduating class, it's a problem. If the delayed a year (or two) rate reaches 6% in any given graduating class, it's a problem.
Do either of these things three times in a five year period, and it's a big problem for the program.

On time graduation rate and total graduation rate are getting far more attention than NAPLEX pass rates. For now.

So you said if a program admits 100 students, it needs to have 94 students graduating on time. If it can't do this 3 years in a 5-year period, ACPE won't allow and will do something about it, correct?
I didn't know this.
Btw, what is the definition of graduation rate?

 

[297point1]

But where do I find that 6% standard? I looked at the ACPE standards document and searched for "6%" and "graduation" and it didn't come up.

Go here: PharmD Program Accreditation
Click on the Tools and Resources tab
Under the FAQ, click the question titled "When will a program be asked to identify the cause of any negative changes or trends in on-time graduation rates?"
Voila.

 

[Nguyen2017]

Go here: PharmD Program Accreditation
Click on the Tools and Resources tab
Under the FAQ, click the question titled "When will a program be asked to identify the cause of any negative changes or trends in on-time graduation rates?"
Voila.

6% dismissals, 6% withdrawals, 15% delayed graduation, 24% total.

The total attrition related to on-time graduation is greater than or equal to twenty four percent of the matriculating class size. For this purpose, attrition is the total number of students who did not graduate on time for any reason, including delayed graduation, academic dismissal, or withdrawal from the program.