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hey guys, i'm a lowly first year who hasn't done much research in the way of specialties. i know there are stereotypes/generalizations out there such as FP being easier and dermatology/ophthalmology being competitive yet easy (career-wise). since i'm thinking about specialities now (good procrastination method), what are some of the stereotypes? i will definitely take all comments with a grain of salt, but since i'm not in the loop, so to speak, i'd like to just be exposed to some thoughts. i'd especially like to know what people think about radiology, psychiatry, and internal medicine.

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Stereotypes don't mean a thing, just do what you like to do that will allow you to have the life that you want (whatever your priorities are family, free time, etc..). Since UH does a piss poor job of educating you on non primary care specialties...here goes. Take this with a grain of salt as I am biased towards the more specialized areas.
Now in general when people say easier, they are referring not to the type of work, but rather the lifestyle (hours, schedule, call).

1. Derm/Radio/Anes. The lifestyle specialties. Highly Competitive. Gotta be smart or determined to do these. Good lifestyles. good pay. Which as you hit third and fourth year will realize actually ARE important. If you want these start doing research or make connections starting soon. Rads personally doesn't do it for me, but good lifestyle and money....oh well. You will be ahead of the game if you start looking into potential specialties now as you are. Stuff I had wished people had told me earlier

For the more competitive specialties that P=MD thing people tell you is pure bull. Programs will look at these factors in no particular order.

1. Board scores (but don't start studying yet. 2 months is plenty)
2. AOA, I had no idea what this was until late 3rd year.
3. Research/exposure to field
4. Letter of Rec.
5. extracurricular stuff
6. Honors, esp in clinical years.

2. Optho. don't know much about. Decent call schedule although there will be some true emergencies. Competitive.

3. Psych....not a big fan but I'm more of a surgical type. Not competitive to get into. Good lifestyle. Money on the lower end of the scale. (Of course this all depends on setting, type of practice, location, etc...). If you love to talk to and analyze your patients this may be for you.

4. Internal medicine.. not competitive although dependent on location. Lifestyle will depend on inpatient/outpatient. Pay sucks in relation to some of the other specialties.

Feel free to message or post if more questions.
 
One slight modification... anesthesia is unusual in that it has a great lifestyle and an easy match. It isn't hard for a mediocre applicant to match into an awesome anesthesia program these days.

One other field with a great lifestyle and an easy match is pathology...
 
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Originally posted by doepug
One slight modification... anesthesia is unusual in that it has a great lifestyle and an easy match. It isn't hard for a mediocre applicant to match into an awesome anesthesia program these days.

That's not what I've been hearing over in the anesthesiology forum. Over there the conventional wisdom is that anesthesiology used to be an easy match, but it's once again very popular. Unless you know something those guys don't, I'm afraid your impression may be out of date.



And remember that Internal Medicine is the gateway for a number of the medical specialties. To say that the pay for IM is horrible ignores the fact that to do cardiology or gastro you need to go through IM.
 
About anesthesia match - it is much harder than what it was just a few years ago. However, compared to ophtho, derm, and rads, it is not as competitive. This is because of the number of spots - close to 1200 for anesthesia.

It's a different story if you want to match into the top anesthesia programs - they are extremely competitive and look for high board scores, research/exposure, and AOA. However, since there are so many spots nationwide, even if you are in the middle of the pack, you should have no problem matching somewhere if you apply to enough places. That is not the case with derm, rads, or ophtho - spots are not as abundant.

Do what you like, but before you decide what you want to do, try to get as high grades as possible, including basic science, Steps, and clinical years. It will make your residency application process that much easier, regardless of what you want to do or where you want to go.
 
i read this on another web site (MomMD) and thought it was funny. if you're looking for stereotypes, here you go!:

ER do tend to be the outdoorsy hiking type; family med touchy feely helping the homeless; most OB women I know were high maintenance dress nice, make up, also quite assertive; Int med studius intellectual not that others aren't and sorry to stereotype
 
thanks for the info, guys! i think i have a general idea now. maybe i'll go into geriatrics. 😛
 
Ah, a fellow JABSOM student. Nice to see. 🙂

First Aid also has a good generalized breakdown of the different specialities, by "tier" (they use three different tiers of difficulty, e.g. Psychiatry is an easier field to Match into than Dermatology).
 
Originally posted by DrWuStar
i read this on another web site (MomMD) and thought it was funny. if you're looking for stereotypes, here you go!:

Here's another stereotyping post. It's off of a newsgroup and was written by a guy who claims to be a CT surgeon. If he isn't, he certainly does a good imitation. And these aren't my opinions, so no flames!

To all you young studs out there, here's an overview of what's available with opinions on each:

Internal Medicine - these guys are flies that deal with the crap no one else wants. Doing grunt work that the rest of us dump onto them. If you're a "thinker" and not a do'er, int med and it's specialties are for you...if you love research then it'll be right up your alley (although you can do research in any field you choose). Pay is poor except for a few of the subspecialties like cardiology, GI, and heme-onc. Most internal medicine docs are drug pushers that allow pharmaceutical companies to survive.

Cardiology - wannabe cardiac surgeons. Need to call us when they mess up.

Gastroenterologists - wannabe GI surgeons. Call surgeons when they mess up.

Family Practice - cough and cold docs. Usually lazy and not very bright (there are exceptions...esp for FP'ers in small towns that do *everything* since there are no specialists in those areas). Don't do FP unless you're going to a rural area where you will be the king of the community. Pay sucks but lifestyle is good.

Pediatrics - usually can't deal with adults and have an inferiority complex (?) so they work with kids who they're more comfortable with. Pay sucks...good lifestyle. Also cough and cold docs with no scope and same stuff every day (sore throat, OM, fevers, cough).

Radiology - great pay given their work up in and great hours, but they are not real doctors. Don't treat, only HELP diagnose. They are on the fringes of medicine....never give a straight answer...work in the dark most of the day. Horrible way to live. No one will ever say "this person is my doc" because you hardly ever develop any relationship with actual, real life patients! Excellent field for those who are smart but lazy.

Interventional Radiology - cool field with excellent and changing future, however they are wannabe surgeons and have to call surgeons when they mess up. Think they're surgeons but don't have the general background that we do (5 yrs of radiology doesn't teach you how to run a code or understand the human body from a CLINICAL aspect). Just be a surgeon.

Anesthesia - great pay for the work involved. Good hours. However, you are basically the surgeon's bitch and only 1/2 a doc. No one respects you unless you are in charge of SICU for example. Otherwise you get yelled at and take orders from surgeons. Nurse anesthesists can do you job so what does that say about future job security? Don't really deal with patients except when you put their IV's in and intubate them. For people who regretted going into medicine so they want to work short hours and don't mind being treated like a nurse because they like the pay. usually second banana type personalities.

Orthopaedic surgery - lots of testosterone all over the place. These are the guys that would have been lawyers and investment bankers if they didn't go into medicine. Love the money, do a lot of cool drilling and hands on work. Great field overall but very competitive. Great pay. Most of these guys are happy. However, most don't have a general surgery education to take care of the whole patient...just know their niche.

Urology - Good hours, cool surgeries, good pay. But don't know anything outside of the urogenital tract. Wouldn't know how to run a code or even diagnose a common cold. These guys tend to be happy.

Opthamology - great pay great lifestyle. Like urology...both are competitive but these aren't real doctors...they're so specialized that they can't deal with patients in general. But these guys are happy.

Ob/Gyn - Allows you to do primary care AND be a surgeon. Great field for women to go into, less so for men given the trend for women wanting to see female gynocologists. Hours suck as even in your prime will be doing about 1 night/wk in house call. That sucks. Pay is pretty good but the malpractice risk is ridiculously high. Rewarding field.

General surgery - best docs around. Can treat the whole patient. Can do everything internal medicine docs can do AND do surgery. Well respected. Good pay. Can be good hours IF you're in a group. Some consider the work repetitive (gallbladders, appendix work, colostomies), but can branch out to
breat tumor removals and other more diverse surgeries.

Cardiothoracic surgery - best surgeons because they have the most respect, get the best looking women (esp nurses), make good money (not as much as before but still great). and do rewarding surgeries. Lifestyle is tough so if you're not
ambitious you will get eaten alive, which is true for almost all surgical fields. Other doctors look up to us as does everyone else.

Neurosurgery - get a lot of respect in the community and the pay is great, but they are not real well rounded docs like cardiothoracic docs are. The know the brain and spinal but that's about it. Kings of the ER because when they show up to eval a patient, everyone else gets out of the way. Hours suck HARD and
need to be very ambitious as in cardiothoracic.

ENT / Otolaryngology - see urology. Same type of stuff. Cool surgeries, good pay, good respect but limited to ENT stuff and don't know anything else.

Pathology - have no personality, should have gone into research or PhD studies.

Emergency Room - triage nurses that just talk to nurses all day and don't know much about anything in particular, just know who to refer to. But many like the lifestyle and don't have to worry about patients once the workday is over and you "punch out". Most are incompetent and lazy. Pay is good relative to the amt of work they actually do.

Dermatology - not real docs but have nice little procedures, great lifestyle, good pay. Highly sought after because these people don't have a physical lifestyle or the stress of a real doc. If you like it and can get in, do it....you prob didn't want to go into medicine in the 1st place.
 
Haha! I cant stop laughing at that. Great post Kluver! :laugh: :clap:

Originally posted by Kluver Bucy
Here's another stereotyping post. It's off of a newsgroup and was written by a guy who claims to be a CT surgeon. If he isn't, he certainly does a good imitation. And these aren't my opinions, so no flames!

To all you young studs out there, here's an overview of what's available with opinions on each:

Internal Medicine - these guys are flies that deal with the crap no one else wants. Doing grunt work that the rest of us dump onto them. If you're a "thinker" and not a do'er, int med and it's specialties are for you...if you love research then it'll be right up your alley (although you can do research in any field you choose). Pay is poor except for a few of the subspecialties like cardiology, GI, and heme-onc. Most internal medicine docs are drug pushers that allow pharmaceutical companies to survive.

Cardiology - wannabe cardiac surgeons. Need to call us when they mess up.

Gastroenterologists - wannabe GI surgeons. Call surgeons when they mess up.

Family Practice - cough and cold docs. Usually lazy and not very bright (there are exceptions...esp for FP'ers in small towns that do *everything* since there are no specialists in those areas). Don't do FP unless you're going to a rural area where you will be the king of the community. Pay sucks but lifestyle is good.

Pediatrics - usually can't deal with adults and have an inferiority complex (?) so they work with kids who they're more comfortable with. Pay sucks...good lifestyle. Also cough and cold docs with no scope and same stuff every day (sore throat, OM, fevers, cough).

Radiology - great pay given their work up in and great hours, but they are not real doctors. Don't treat, only HELP diagnose. They are on the fringes of medicine....never give a straight answer...work in the dark most of the day. Horrible way to live. No one will ever say "this person is my doc" because you hardly ever develop any relationship with actual, real life patients! Excellent field for those who are smart but lazy.

Interventional Radiology - cool field with excellent and changing future, however they are wannabe surgeons and have to call surgeons when they mess up. Think they're surgeons but don't have the general background that we do (5 yrs of radiology doesn't teach you how to run a code or understand the human body from a CLINICAL aspect). Just be a surgeon.

Anesthesia - great pay for the work involved. Good hours. However, you are basically the surgeon's bitch and only 1/2 a doc. No one respects you unless you are in charge of SICU for example. Otherwise you get yelled at and take orders from surgeons. Nurse anesthesists can do you job so what does that say about future job security? Don't really deal with patients except when you put their IV's in and intubate them. For people who regretted going into medicine so they want to work short hours and don't mind being treated like a nurse because they like the pay. usually second banana type personalities.

Orthopaedic surgery - lots of testosterone all over the place. These are the guys that would have been lawyers and investment bankers if they didn't go into medicine. Love the money, do a lot of cool drilling and hands on work. Great field overall but very competitive. Great pay. Most of these guys are happy. However, most don't have a general surgery education to take care of the whole patient...just know their niche.

Urology - Good hours, cool surgeries, good pay. But don't know anything outside of the urogenital tract. Wouldn't know how to run a code or even diagnose a common cold. These guys tend to be happy.

Opthamology - great pay great lifestyle. Like urology...both are competitive but these aren't real doctors...they're so specialized that they can't deal with patients in general. But these guys are happy.

Ob/Gyn - Allows you to do primary care AND be a surgeon. Great field for women to go into, less so for men given the trend for women wanting to see female gynocologists. Hours suck as even in your prime will be doing about 1 night/wk in house call. That sucks. Pay is pretty good but the malpractice risk is ridiculously high. Rewarding field.

General surgery - best docs around. Can treat the whole patient. Can do everything internal medicine docs can do AND do surgery. Well respected. Good pay. Can be good hours IF you're in a group. Some consider the work repetitive (gallbladders, appendix work, colostomies), but can branch out to
breat tumor removals and other more diverse surgeries.

Cardiothoracic surgery - best surgeons because they have the most respect, get the best looking women (esp nurses), make good money (not as much as before but still great). and do rewarding surgeries. Lifestyle is tough so if you're not
ambitious you will get eaten alive, which is true for almost all surgical fields. Other doctors look up to us as does everyone else.

Neurosurgery - get a lot of respect in the community and the pay is great, but they are not real well rounded docs like cardiothoracic docs are. The know the brain and spinal but that's about it. Kings of the ER because when they show up to eval a patient, everyone else gets out of the way. Hours suck HARD and
need to be very ambitious as in cardiothoracic.

ENT / Otolaryngology - see urology. Same type of stuff. Cool surgeries, good pay, good respect but limited to ENT stuff and don't know anything else.

Pathology - have no personality, should have gone into research or PhD studies.

Emergency Room - triage nurses that just talk to nurses all day and don't know much about anything in particular, just know who to refer to. But many like the lifestyle and don't have to worry about patients once the workday is over and you "punch out". Most are incompetent and lazy. Pay is good relative to the amt of work they actually do.

Dermatology - not real docs but have nice little procedures, great lifestyle, good pay. Highly sought after because these people don't have a physical lifestyle or the stress of a real doc. If you like it and can get in, do it....you prob didn't want to go into medicine in the 1st place.
 
Originally posted by Gleevec
Haha! I cant stop laughing at that. Great post Kluver! :laugh: :clap:

There's no reason to laugh. The quote is about 99% accurate.
 
Originally posted by doc05
There's no reason to laugh. The quote is about 99% accurate.

Why, are you the CT surgeon that posted it? 🙄 😕

I dont think it takes a resident to realize that those generalizations are crap, especially since whoever would write such a post would always bias it towards one's own specialty. But the fact is, its conceited crap from someone needing an ego trip (or its a hilarious post imitating such an individual). The latter is why I think its funny.
 
yeah, conceit always cracks me up, as long as it's harmless conceit. that's why i love daffy duck. 😍

by the way, i did some googling and found the original post if anyone wants to invite the author here to duke it out. 😉

Link
 
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Originally posted by ItsGavinC
Yeah, very enjoyable reading.

So Gavin, any comments about dentist stereotypes?
 
i have a dentist stereotype: they give you PAIN!!!
😡 <-- me after dentist appointment
😱 <-- me after lower jaw doesn't close due to anesthesia
 
Hey people can sterotype all they want. I couldn't care less as long as I'm happy with what I'm doing. I was/still sort of am thinking of a field in the surgical arena, but realized if I did I would not be able to have a reasonable lifestyle working less than 80 hours a week for at least ten years. Plus I just did not like the bitter person I was becoming after too many of those long weeks and decided my love for the specialty would not be worth the person I would become. At that point I decided to pursue alternate opportunities. The CT guy sounds like one of those bitter people who is trying to convince himself that he made the right choice. The fact is all doctors have a function and most do their job well. Its why we specialize.
 
Originally posted by Adcadet
So Gavin, any comments about dentist stereotypes?

Nahh, the media has done enough already 😀

Mostly though, the general comments about dentists being MD wannabes/dropouts/unsuccesful applicants are becoming more and more false these days, while those comments about dentists being money-grubbing are probably becoming more and more true.
 
"General surgery - best docs around. Can treat the whole patient. Can do everything internal medicine docs can do AND do surgery. Well respected. Good pay. Can be good hours IF you're in a group. Some consider the work repetitive (gallbladders, appendix work, colostomies), but can branch out to
breat tumor removals and other more diverse surgeries."

Nothing could be farther from the truth, trust me you don't want to have a general surgeon managing your care pre or post op. They just don't have a good idea what lots of the drugs do. A surgeon is great for what they do, surgery, but when it comes to the other stuff leave it to the IM guys. I worked as a pharmacist intern (i use to be in a pharm d program) at a fairly large hospital and we would get a good laugh out of some of the scripts the surgeons would write.
 
It's interesting what this CT surgeon has said. He claims that cardiologists are the docs that call CT surgeons when they screw up. Well...it seems like these days, CT surgeons are cardiologist's bitches. They do what the cardiologist wants, because hey, where do they get their referrals from. Most trauma surgeons don't need a CT guy to take care of penetrating chest wounds, etc, and the sun is gonna set on the CABG in the not too distant future. Maybe valve repairs or replacements, but I hear (i'm not a hundred percent sure) that they're working on a percutaneous technique for that too. A very smart transplant surgeon I know (he was not judgmental like this pompous ass) told me not to do general surgery, because its future is becoming limited by the less invasive and medical management offered by the IM dudes. The future of surgery, he said, is in ortho...more people getting older, pounding their joints, getting arthritis, needing joint replacements, and hey, everyone is gonna keep breaking stuff.
 
Where were the psychiatrists on the list? They are doctors too.
 
Originally posted by andrea
Where were the psychiatrists on the list? They are doctors too.
The guy who originally posted the "overview" had concluded it with "There are others but I gotta go."

Somehow, I doubt if he would have favorable things to say about psychiatrists.
 
Originally posted by Kluver Bucy
ENT / Otolaryngology - see urology. Same type of stuff. Cool surgeries, good pay, good respect but limited to ENT stuff and don't know anything else.

There are body parts outside of the head and neck?
 
What about the plastic surgeons?
 
How do you hide a $50 bill from a general surgeon?
A. Put it in the chart.

How do you hide a $50 bill from a orthapod?
A. Put it in a textbook.

How do you hide a $50 bill from a plastic surgeon?
A. Good luck.

You can take that for what it is worth, but I thought it was funny when I first heard it.
 
lolz more like the CT-surgeon is the ER doc's bitch.

ER Doc: "Dr. X, you got a dissecting aorta here, if you don't get here your patient will die"
CT Surgeon: K. 😡😡
 
Why do I feel like this was written by someone who never even saw the inside of a med school? Or a med school dropout who wanted to be a ct surgeon. Just too much ignorance.


Here's another stereotyping post. It's off of a newsgroup and was written by a guy who claims to be a CT surgeon. If he isn't, he certainly does a good imitation. And these aren't my opinions, so no flames!

To all you young studs out there, here's an overview of what's available with opinions on each:

Internal Medicine - these guys are flies that deal with the crap no one else wants. Doing grunt work that the rest of us dump onto them. If you're a "thinker" and not a do'er, int med and it's specialties are for you...if you love research then it'll be right up your alley (although you can do research in any field you choose). Pay is poor except for a few of the subspecialties like cardiology, GI, and heme-onc. Most internal medicine docs are drug pushers that allow pharmaceutical companies to survive.

Cardiology - wannabe cardiac surgeons. Need to call us when they mess up.

Gastroenterologists - wannabe GI surgeons. Call surgeons when they mess up.

Family Practice - cough and cold docs. Usually lazy and not very bright (there are exceptions...esp for FP'ers in small towns that do *everything* since there are no specialists in those areas). Don't do FP unless you're going to a rural area where you will be the king of the community. Pay sucks but lifestyle is good.

Pediatrics - usually can't deal with adults and have an inferiority complex (?) so they work with kids who they're more comfortable with. Pay sucks...good lifestyle. Also cough and cold docs with no scope and same stuff every day (sore throat, OM, fevers, cough).

Radiology - great pay given their work up in and great hours, but they are not real doctors. Don't treat, only HELP diagnose. They are on the fringes of medicine....never give a straight answer...work in the dark most of the day. Horrible way to live. No one will ever say "this person is my doc" because you hardly ever develop any relationship with actual, real life patients! Excellent field for those who are smart but lazy.

Interventional Radiology - cool field with excellent and changing future, however they are wannabe surgeons and have to call surgeons when they mess up. Think they're surgeons but don't have the general background that we do (5 yrs of radiology doesn't teach you how to run a code or understand the human body from a CLINICAL aspect). Just be a surgeon.

Anesthesia - great pay for the work involved. Good hours. However, you are basically the surgeon's bitch and only 1/2 a doc. No one respects you unless you are in charge of SICU for example. Otherwise you get yelled at and take orders from surgeons. Nurse anesthesists can do you job so what does that say about future job security? Don't really deal with patients except when you put their IV's in and intubate them. For people who regretted going into medicine so they want to work short hours and don't mind being treated like a nurse because they like the pay. usually second banana type personalities.

Orthopaedic surgery - lots of testosterone all over the place. These are the guys that would have been lawyers and investment bankers if they didn't go into medicine. Love the money, do a lot of cool drilling and hands on work. Great field overall but very competitive. Great pay. Most of these guys are happy. However, most don't have a general surgery education to take care of the whole patient...just know their niche.

Urology - Good hours, cool surgeries, good pay. But don't know anything outside of the urogenital tract. Wouldn't know how to run a code or even diagnose a common cold. These guys tend to be happy.

Opthamology - great pay great lifestyle. Like urology...both are competitive but these aren't real doctors...they're so specialized that they can't deal with patients in general. But these guys are happy.

Ob/Gyn - Allows you to do primary care AND be a surgeon. Great field for women to go into, less so for men given the trend for women wanting to see female gynocologists. Hours suck as even in your prime will be doing about 1 night/wk in house call. That sucks. Pay is pretty good but the malpractice risk is ridiculously high. Rewarding field.

General surgery - best docs around. Can treat the whole patient. Can do everything internal medicine docs can do AND do surgery. Well respected. Good pay. Can be good hours IF you're in a group. Some consider the work repetitive (gallbladders, appendix work, colostomies), but can branch out to
breat tumor removals and other more diverse surgeries.

Cardiothoracic surgery - best surgeons because they have the most respect, get the best looking women (esp nurses), make good money (not as much as before but still great). and do rewarding surgeries. Lifestyle is tough so if you're not
ambitious you will get eaten alive, which is true for almost all surgical fields. Other doctors look up to us as does everyone else.

Neurosurgery - get a lot of respect in the community and the pay is great, but they are not real well rounded docs like cardiothoracic docs are. The know the brain and spinal but that's about it. Kings of the ER because when they show up to eval a patient, everyone else gets out of the way. Hours suck HARD and
need to be very ambitious as in cardiothoracic.

ENT / Otolaryngology - see urology. Same type of stuff. Cool surgeries, good pay, good respect but limited to ENT stuff and don't know anything else.

Pathology - have no personality, should have gone into research or PhD studies.

Emergency Room - triage nurses that just talk to nurses all day and don't know much about anything in particular, just know who to refer to. But many like the lifestyle and don't have to worry about patients once the workday is over and you "punch out". Most are incompetent and lazy. Pay is good relative to the amt of work they actually do.

Dermatology - not real docs but have nice little procedures, great lifestyle, good pay. Highly sought after because these people don't have a physical lifestyle or the stress of a real doc. If you like it and can get in, do it....you prob didn't want to go into medicine in the 1st place.
 
Why do I feel like this was written by someone who never even saw the inside of a med school? Or a med school dropout who wanted to be a ct surgeon. Just too much ignorance.

Actually, it seems quite accurate from a biased gen surgery/CT surgery point of view. By that, I mean a ****-talking surgeon would say this kind of stuff but perhaps with tongue-in-cheek.
 
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