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I am considering between Sint Eustatius Medical School and Ross University. Please tell me which is the better route to go. Thank you, much appreciated
 
SGU is the only decent one in my opinion. IMHO, going to any other one is a mistake.

That said, b/w the two choices you've presented, ROSS for sure. Your question is actually kind of riduculous... it shows that you've haven't done your research.

Cuts
 
What are you thinking? 🙁

Have you done any research about that school? 😱

If you have any options at all, why in the world would you even think of Eustatius? 🙁 For a Carib school, Ross, SGU, and AUC are the only ones for consideration, don't you think?

Have you ever seen a post with nothing but questions? 😉

cheers
 
Ive met about 5 St Eustatius students. All of them completed their entire 3rd year at a greenbook 350 bed community hospital. My opinion is that your USMLE scores are much more important than which carib med school you attended to residency programs. Of course if a residency has had a positive experience with past residents from a particular school that may reflect well on you. AUC has over 3000 graduates practicing medicine in the US. I dont know anything about ross or sgu.
 
Originally posted by nvrsumr
My opinion is that your USMLE scores are much more important than which carib med school you attended to residency programs.
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I can only partially agree with this statement. Step scores are indeed of paramount importance for the Caribbean grad, but which school you graduate from makes a HUGE difference too. For example, just last week I met a bright SGU student who told me about two of their recent grads... one got Ortho and the other got Derm at Johns Hopkins! You're telling me that if these students had graduated from St. E, they'd have still gotten these spots? I dunno... I'm skeptical...
 
That is impressive anecdotal evidence of sgu's reputation that all sgu students should take pride in. I looked at the Hopkins web site and didnt find a list of last years derm or ortho residents.


I fancy myself as a bit of a scientist so I have to remain a skeptic. One of my best friends transferred to a US med school from the carib with a step 1 score that wouldnt get you a FP residency in N. Dakota-this anecdote, though touted by his school,(not the score but the transfer) has little relevance to any future students attending his school-he was connected.

PS-he is poised to take 1 of the 2 rads postions offered at his school
 
C'mon man... without becoming detectives about it, you don't mean to tell me that you honestly believe it doesn't matter if one graduates from SGU or St. E? Please don't tell me that that's what you think.

And, if you think my posting that SGU and Derm/Ortho match thing is out of "support" for one deciding to go to SGU, you are sorely mistaken. Anybody who has read my posts here knows that I'm a staunch OPPONENT of Caribbean schools. I only posted that to exemplify a point: it DOES make a difference which Caribbean school one goes to... just one man's opinion.
 
Many students on this forum believe that sgu is the best carib school. I dont really know enough to disagree.

My opinion is that sgu is relatively well known in NY. To the schools credit they have 3rd year clinicals set up at a hospital there. If you are a new yorker who wants to return to NY for clinicals sgu is the superior choice due to some byzantine laws regarding the number of clinical weeks(12) fmgs are allowed to do in the state. Logically, it may be easier to get a NY residency postion(there are a good number of fmg friendly hospitals in the state anyway) from sgu.

Apart from the above situation I stand by my assertion that step scores are infinitely more important. A 220 from St E will trump a 210 from sgu. What spread do you want to give?

Where I live most US Docs Ive met think that Guadelahara(sp?) in Mexico is the best foreign med school.
 
Originally posted by nvrsumr

Apart from the above situation I stand by my assertion that step scores are infinitely more important. A 220 from St E will trump a 210 from sgu. What spread do you want to give?

Where I live most US Docs Ive met think that Guadelahara(sp?) in Mexico is the best foreign med school.
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Hmmm... interesting question... well, all other factors being equal... hmm 10 points isn't enough, I'd say 20. You know what man, so many people have never even heard of St. E, but they have heard of SGU... that IMHO makes a huge difference man... sucks but it's true.

I dunno about your Guadelahara point... I've never heard of any of their grads landing anything good... have you? I would say Caribbean schools are clearly better for the simple fact that they offer clinicals in the States. In fact, lots of Gudelehara students transfer to various Caribbean school's in the 3rd year for just that reason... I've never heard of the opposite being true.

Hey man, I think we're both on the same side... Mr. B.F... you've got a PM...
 
Originally posted by Dr. Cuts
For example, just last week I met a bright SGU student who told me about two of their recent grads... one got Ortho and the other got Derm at Johns Hopkins!
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How recent? According to the 2001 matchlist on SGU's website, no one matched in derm at all, however there were two ortho matches at reputable programs (LSU and UMDNJ).
 
Originally posted by Smoke This
How recent? According to the 2001 matchlist on SGU's website, no one matched in derm at all, however there were two ortho matches at reputable programs (LSU and UMDNJ).
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I believe the guy I talked to was referring to this year's (2002) Match. I didn't look it up, but I don't think he has any reason to lie.
 
Cuts--that would explain it, I couldn't find the 2002 match results.
 
Originally posted by Molybdenum
wait...so FMGs can only do at most 12 weeks of clinical rotations in NY state? I have never heard of this "byzantine law"...
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The schools on this list have been visited by the New York State DOE and are considered pre-qualified to automatically pursue longer than twelve weeks of clinical training:

Form 2CC is not needed for graduates of the following medical schools, which have been approved by the New York State Education Department to allow students to complete more than 12 weeks of clinical clerkships in New York State. The schools are:

St. George's University School of Medicine, St. George's, Grenada
Ross University School of Medicine, Roseau, Dominica
Fatima College of Medicine, Manila, Philippines
The Autonomous University of Guadalajara, Guadalajara, Mexico

http://www.op.nysed.gov/medforms.htm
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I think you can still do more than the twelve weeks if you're from another school, you just have a few more hoops to jump through.
 
dr. cuts,
why do you keep supporting SGU when you are a ross grad? do you work for SGU or something. nothing personal, just curious.

im starting at sgu in fall or jan.

peace
 
Originally posted by kittyjuice
dr. cuts,
why do you keep supporting SGU when you are a ross grad? do you work for SGU or something. nothing personal, just curious.

im starting at sgu in fall or jan.

peace
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🙂 Who said I'm a Ross grad? I'm actually a 4th year at one of the lesser known Caribbean schools. That said, even if I were a Ross student/grad, I would still advocate SGU as the only acceptable Caribbean school for one to go to... I believe in objectivity, not bias, and from everything I've seen and experienced, SGU is the clear choice -- IMHO the only choice -- if one has to go off-shore. Good luck to you.
 
kittyjuice:

Dr. Cuts, I'm fairly certain based on his statments, is not a Ross student, but will be soon graduating from another Caribbean school. I am a Ross student and will be happy to answer for anyone questions about the specifics of the program, much of which (as far as I've read so far on this forum) is horribly misunderstood.

Good luck at SGU. I'm sure you will have a great time and will get an excellent medical education as well.

-Skip Intro
MS2 Ross University
 
(P.S. Apparently we posted at just about the same time.)
 
Dr. Cuts,
It would be nice if you would let us know where you went to school. Atleast PM me , cuz I've read some of your other angry posts and im curious as to where it comes from.

all in all, sounds like you are on the path of success...so much respect to you.

why do you think SGU is a better option?

that is actually the only foreign school i applied to.

but i heard that the recent ross class had a couple of neurology matches and other competitive ones as well.

so i guess its what u really make of it, i guess.

as far as st. eustacius or whatever the hell its called. i heard a TON of bad things about that place. my premed advisor whipped out some paperwork from the net that rated all the foreign med schools. SGU and ROss were the top ones for americans looking to come back to the states.

St eustacius was like the worst....it had like pages worth of problems.
i dunno what website it was but if someone really wants to know either search the web or beg me to find out 😉


cant wait to start and get my ass beat in basic sciences. peace
-d
 
Originally posted by kittyjuice
Dr. Cuts,
cuz I've read some of your other angry posts and im curious as to where it comes from.

-d
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"angry posts" LOL :clap: If you only knew me Kitty... I'm one of the most laid back, fun-loving, optimistic people you'd ever meet... I'm sure of it.

I really don't see why it matters which school I go to... I don't go to Ross and I don't go to SGU, and the only school that I'd advocate someone going to is SGU. If you or anybody else disagrees or is "hurt" or offended by this (read: Skip), then tough beans... you shouldn't take my views personally. I'm a straight shooter, and these are my opinions.

"angry posts" LOL:clap: :clap: :clap:
 
Originally posted by kittyjuice
Dr. Cuts,
all in all, sounds like you are on the path of success...so much respect to you.

why do you think SGU is a better option?

that is actually the only foreign school i applied to.

but i heard that the recent ross class had a couple of neurology matches and other competitive ones as well.

so i guess its what u really make of it, i guess.
-d
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Thanks... I'm trying my best anyway 🙂.

B/c SGU is the only school that's grads have been able to get the ultra-competitive residencies. B/c SGU students' 3rd and 4th year rotations are far superior to some of the ones offered by the other Caribbean schools. B/c out of all the Caribbean students that I've come in contact with over the years, SGU students are the only ones who impressed me... to name a few reasons off the top of my head.

Neurology is not that competitive. True, I'll hand it to them, Ross did surprisingly well in this year's Match, but I suspect that this will be short-lived, given the umpteen Ross MS-IVs that I've met in recent months... none of whom struck me as particularly intelligent or capable.

An oversimplification indeed, and a naive one at that.

Take care
 
Originally posted by Skip Intro
kittyjuice:

Dr. Cuts, I'm fairly certain based on his statments, is not a Ross student,

-Skip Intro
MS2 Ross University
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This statement is a perfect example of why I refuse to discuss things with you Skip. Why is it that you fail to understand that my opinions and viewpoints have NOTHING to do with which school I go to? Do you know what the word "objective" means? The imlicit meaning from your above statement is that all Ross students will advocate Ross as a great medical school. Can't you see the irony in that? Can you say "conflict of interest?" You are living proof of this paradox. Didn't you ever take Logic in high school?
 
i meant to say...

neurology is not that hard to get? come on cuts!
 
Originally posted by kittyjuice
cuts,

neurology is easy? are you kidding me?

since you are so objective, i would love to hear your opinion on my situation....

-d
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I stand corrected... according to Scutwork.com, there were only 57 Neurology positions in this year's Match, and 12 went unfilled... that is quite competitive indeed. However, I know of one very mediocre IMG who successfully got Neurology this year, but I can't say the same about Derm, Rads, Ortho, CT/Neurosurg, etc... so maybe it's not that bad afterall😕 ?

I read your thread. I don't know if this is an option, but why don't you go to SGU in Jan., and continue applying to U.S. schools in the meantime? That's probably what I'd do.
 
Originally posted by Dr. Cuts
This statement is a perfect example of why I refuse to discuss things with you Skip. Why is it that you fail to understand that my opinions and viewpoints have NOTHING to do with which school I go to? Do you know what the word "objective" means? The imlicit meaning from your above statement is that all Ross students will advocate Ross as a great medical school. Can't you see the irony in that? Can you say "conflict of interest?" You are living proof of this paradox. Didn't you ever take Logic in high school?
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Whoa, WHOA, WHOA!!!! Simmer down, boy! 😀 You're not looking like that "laid back" guy you claim to be in this retort.

You've stated on several other threads that you went to a "lesser known" medical school in the Caribbean. You even once said that Ross was a "lot better than the one (you) went to." So, based on your statements I don't think you went here. Who the heck knows where you went... I was only speculating that it was unlikely you went to Ross, since you won't specifically tell anyone where you went - no one (myself included) can rule anything out.

Other than that, you've completely jumped to conclusions on the intent of this specific post (but, really made me laugh 😀). You've apparently also completely misconstrued my reason for being on this forum and what my true feelings are about Ross (something, again, I've never been directly asked by anyone here).

Other than that, I don't really care what anyone thinks about Ross or SGU or St. Eustatius? (St. Matthews??)... 😕 or whatever other school just so long as they base their observations on facts and also respect that we are all individuals with individual levels of competency and knowledge, no matter where we went to school.

Other than that, 😛 right back at you! (hahahahaha! 😀)
 
Sorry Skip. I re-read your post and you're right... I did jump to conclusions prematurely.

Out of curiosity though, what are your feelings about Ross?
 
Originally posted by Dr. Cuts
Sorry Skip. I re-read your post and you're right... I did jump to conclusions prematurely.
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No problems, dude. I understand that my posts my be a little "provocative" from time to time. 😀 But, that is, at least in part, their intent. If I carry any what I would consider to be "undeserved opprobrium" on this forum for my posting style, then those are consequences I'm willing to bear in order to make a few hard, but necessary, points.

Originally posted by Dr. Cuts
Out of curiosity though, what are your feelings about Ross?
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That is a topic for another thread, and perhaps a day when I have a little more time. 😉
 
Actually there was a derm residency this year. But Sgu's web site is poor with regard to their match list; They ask folks at graduation "Where are you going next year". The problem is that that only reflects internship year, neglecting the folks who (like myself) subsequently are going/went into specialities. The only place I know that manages to underrepresent themselves with regard to residency.
 
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