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1. In protic solvents LARGE atoms are better Nu-

2. In aprotic solvents Nu- strength is related to basicity

3. If Nu- have same "attacking atom" 😕 then Nu- strength is related to basicity.


Also can someone tell me the basicity trend in the periodic table?

Thanks a lot.🙂
 
1. In protic solvents LARGE atoms are better Nu-

2. In aprotic solvents Nu- strength is related to basicity

3. If Nu- have same "attacking atom" 😕 then Nu- strength is related to basicity.


Also can someone tell me the basicity trend in the periodic table?

Thanks a lot.🙂
Protic solvents are the ones that have Hydrogen. Large atoms act as better nucleotides because they are able to spread their negative charge over a large space. This is the main reason why fluoride ion is not a good leaving group. Fluoride is smaller than Iodide and iodide is the best nucelophile out of all 4 halogens, since it is large and thus stable and an excellent leaving group.
 
i know ppl already answered ur q's... i took my dat last saturday. just have a basic idea about sn1 and sn2 e1 and e2 reactions. don worry about every minute detail. Ochem is very easy on the real thing. make sure u know every separation technique ... i had thin layer chromatography on my test and i missed a cnmr problem for sure and maybe the ir one... go over cnmr 10000 times do as any problems.. it was the decoupled one on the real thing
 
Protic solvents are the ones that have Hydrogen. Large atoms act as better nucleotides because they are able to spread their negative charge over a large space. This is the main reason why fluoride ion is not a good leaving group. Fluoride is smaller than Iodide and iodide is the best nucelophile out of all 4 halogens, since it is large and thus stable and an excellent leaving group.


Thank You 🙂👍👍
 
i know ppl already answered ur q's... i took my dat last saturday. just have a basic idea about sn1 and sn2 e1 and e2 reactions. don worry about every minute detail. Ochem is very easy on the real thing. make sure u know every separation technique ... i had thin layer chromatography on my test and i missed a cnmr problem for sure and maybe the ir one... go over cnmr 10000 times do as any problems.. it was the decoupled one on the real thing


Thank You I really appreciate the advice 😀👍
 
Protic solvents are the ones that have Hydrogen. Large atoms act as better nucleotides because they are able to spread their negative charge over a large space. This is the main reason why fluoride ion is not a good leaving group. Fluoride is smaller than Iodide and iodide is the best nucelophile out of all 4 halogens, since it is large and thus stable and an excellent leaving group.


I don't think this is quite right.
Iodide is only the best nuc in protic solvents, look at my answers below

Heres a sample of the right hand corner of the periodic table

C N O F
-------Cl
-------Br
-------I
**horizontal trend is always due to electronegativity since size is not a big enough difference, less electronegtave atoms like their e-'s less, therefore the nuc trend is (strong)<----- (weak)

1. first of all, protic solvents have hydrogen BONDS, ... huge difference than just hydrogen! anyway, H-bonds stabilize smaller ions better then larger ones, smaller the ion the more H-bonds the solution can make, therefore the trend goes DOWN for protic solvents. remember a less stabilized Nuc is a better one!

2. in aprotic solvents, size is not an issue becasue there is no H-bonding to stabilize the ions, therefore it follows the base trend (base's are electron donors, a good Nuc definetly needs this quality)

(not as positive about this one)3. if they have the same attacking atom, for example H20 and NaOH, (Oxygen is attacking in both cases) the better base is the better nucleophile, for the same reason as stated in 2.

you do NOT wanna spread out the charge as a nuclephile..
 
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1. In protic solvents LARGE atoms are better Nu-

2. In aprotic solvents Nu- strength is related to basicity

3. If Nu- have same "attacking atom" 😕 then Nu- strength is related to basicity.


Also can someone tell me the basicity trend in the periodic table?

Thanks a lot.🙂


The 3rd statement is correct. But honestly, I don't find this relevant at all. Unless there is a question, which serves as a better nuceophile, I don't see its importance. My earlier post was strictly referring to protic solvents, not aportic solvents.

How do you define the property of basicity? Something that donates electrons. For the periodic table, we will suffice with this defination. Now the electropostive metals tend to donate electrons, whereas the halgones love to gain them, so the basicity decreases from left to right. How about top to bottom, you can also think of this in terms of electronegativity. As electronnegativity decreases from top to bottom, the tend to gain electrons decreases or in other words, the tendency to lose electrons increases, thus the basicity increases top-bottom.
 
From my understanding:
Protic solvent (polar): capable of H-bonding, thus solvating the Nu-. The larger the Nu- is favored (I > F) b/c it's able dissociate more easily since they are bound less tightly.

Aprotic solvent(polar/nonpolar): not capable of H-bond, no Nu- is not solvated/surrounded; for this reason Nu- strength is based on strength of basicity not size.
 
thanks guys!!🙂

i just thought since there are questions like pick the correct statement etc--this could be a possibility.
thanks for all your explanation--i understand this now much better👍
 
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