Please Help Me with Research Terms

[dumbguy]

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i've been going over some research interests by some professors but don't have a clear idea of what each do. I tried looking it up on the internet but could not get a clear definition of it. What does each exactly do? See if you guys can help me.

1.)Outcomes Research?

2.)Pharmacy Education?

 

[sdn1977]

i've been going over some research interests by some professors but don't have a clear idea of what each do. I tried looking it up on the internet but could not get a clear definition of it. What does each exactly do? See if you guys can help me.

1.)Outcomes Research?

2.)Pharmacy Education?

Outcomes research is a term which involves understanding the end result of whatever intervention the researcher is involved with and is a more recent development in healthcare research.

For example....we can look at data that documents the physiologic & pharmacologic benefit of the use of beta blockers. However, does the outcome of using them in any particular disease state change the end result of the disease? Or....do we use them to just tx a symptom.

In the use of beta blockers, we have found that early tx in cardiovascular disease, particularly prior to cv surgery does provide a better outcome to the disease.

Likewise, we know that digoxin is a positive inotrope - makes the heart beat stronger. However, using outcomes research, we have found it makes no difference in the actual outcome of CHF, of which it has been a mainstay for years and years.

Then...there is Zpaks favorites....does any one low molecular weight heparin change the outcome of embolus or thrombus tx or prophylaxis better than another. (or one antibiotic, etc..) Just because its new, doesn't mean its better. Outcomes research is one of the ways we evaluate that.

As for pharmacy education....well...is this a professor's research interest - pharmacy education? That would have to do with again...using outcome data to redefine or change how pharmacy education is done within a particular institution.

One HUGE hallmark of that has been the change to involve therapeutics & clinical disease state exposure in all pharmacy schools. When I went - in the 70's....not all schools had this. Some were of the "older" model - compounding, pharmaceutics, chemistry, etc. Data supported the deeper & more involved model of pharmacist who does have the ability to interface with all the healthcare members to provide the best pharmaceutical care for patients, which ultimately, improved their outcomes.

Does that help?

 

[ZpackSux]

did somebody call me?

 

[sdn1977]

did somebody call me?

No, no!!!! You have to finish that next syllabus for the Feb P&T mtg.....

But.....its all about outcomes - right???? Not using what's new just because its new. Tell the guy thats what you do all day - monitor outcomes....P&T, M&M, etc....oh & golf & such...😀

 

[lord999]

Outcomes research is a term which involves understanding the end result of whatever intervention the researcher is involved with and is a more recent development in healthcare research.

For example....we can look at data that documents the physiologic & pharmacologic benefit of the use of beta blockers. However, does the outcome of using them in any particular disease state change the end result of the disease? Or....do we use them to just tx a symptom.

In the use of beta blockers, we have found that early tx in cardiovascular disease, particularly prior to cv surgery does provide a better outcome to the disease.

Likewise, we know that digoxin is a positive inotrope - makes the heart beat stronger. However, using outcomes research, we have found it makes no difference in the actual outcome of CHF, of which it has been a mainstay for years and years.

Then...there is Zpaks favorites....does any one low molecular weight heparin change the outcome of embolus or thrombus tx or prophylaxis better than another. (or one antibiotic, etc..) Just because its new, doesn't mean its better. Outcomes research is one of the ways we evaluate that.

As for pharmacy education....well...is this a professor's research interest - pharmacy education? That would have to do with again...using outcome data to redefine or change how pharmacy education is done within a particular institution.

One HUGE hallmark of that has been the change to involve therapeutics & clinical disease state exposure in all pharmacy schools. When I went - in the 70's....not all schools had this. Some were of the "older" model - compounding, pharmaceutics, chemistry, etc. Data supported the deeper & more involved model of pharmacist who does have the ability to interface with all the healthcare members to provide the best pharmaceutical care for patients, which ultimately, improved their outcomes.

Does that help?

I'd focus the the outcomes research def. to be this:
Outcomes research: A research category that examines the clinical (as opposed to economic. political, or mechanistic) endpoints of an event using patient-reported outcomes (PROs) or standardized measures of patient well-being or satisfaction (Health Related Quality of Life, EuroQoL).

Pharmacy Education:
Either:
1. The study of pedagogy, communication, presentation, and information as it pertains to the dual scientific and apprenticeship tracks in pharmacy (e.g. Communications, Education (Psychology), Social and Administrative Pharmacy, Pharmacy Practice, etc.)

2. The category that a professor is placed in if they're too incompetent/unintested in researching their own subject (in particular, Med. Chemists who are defined as "pharmacy education" faculty). Analogous to why so many history teachers are called "Coach."

Pharmacy education has some really good folks and a lot of imbeciles. Good examples of great people in pharmacy education are Nicholas Popovich at UIC and JoLaine Dragalis at U of Arizona. Look up their profiles (and publications) so you can compare them against other good people and to distinguish losers from the good.

 

[sdn1977]

I'd focus the the outcomes research def. to be this:
Outcomes research: A research category that examines the clinical (as opposed to economic. political, or mechanistic) endpoints of an event using patient-reported outcomes (PROs) or standardized measures of patient well-being or satisfaction (Health Related Quality of Life, EuroQoL).

Pharmacy Education:
Either:
1. The study of pedagogy, communication, presentation, and information as it pertains to the dual scientific and apprenticeship tracks in pharmacy (e.g. Communications, Education (Psychology), Social and Administrative Pharmacy, Pharmacy Practice, etc.)

2. The category that a professor is placed in if they're too incompetent/unintested in researching their own subject (in particular, Med. Chemists who are defined as "pharmacy education" faculty). Analogous to why so many history teachers are called "Coach."

Pharmacy education has some really good folks and a lot of imbeciles. Good examples of great people in pharmacy education are Nicholas Popovich at UIC and JoLaine Dragalis at U of Arizona. Look up their profiles (and publications) so you can compare them against other good people and to distinguish losers from the good.

I'd have to respectfully disagree on your assessment of outcomes research. I find using pt reported outcomes or standardized measures of well-being or satisfaction rarely used, unless it is for a study specifically looking at those endpoints.

For example, JAMA, 2001: A qualitative study of Increasing B-blocker use after myocardial infarction - Why do some hospitals suceed? The outcomes were initiatives, strategies & approaches to improve care for pts with AMI. The participants were physicians, nursing QA management & administrative hospital participants - none were patients themselves nor were they asked about their quality of life or satisfaction.

Likewise, the National Quality Measures Clearinghouse reported a study done by the Canadian Cardiovascular Outcomes Research Team...They also specifically looked at the percentage of patients of ami pts who received beta blockers within 12 hours of admission. The participants, again, were physicians, QA management & hospital medical records personnel.

Outcome of any medical intervention needs to be defined so we can follow if we are getting that outcome. I don't know if your intent was to diminish those who follow outcomes management, but someone who studies this, IMO, is not to be diminished. Outcomes studies also changes how we approach disease & how well what new strategies have been incorporated into actual practice.

As for education....seems as though you have an agenda...I don't know why you don't like medicinal chemists, but oh well....they serve a tremendous purpose, but I don't really think they'd call their research Pharmacy Education.

 

[ZpackSux]

No, no!!!! You have to finish that next syllabus for the Feb P&T mtg.....

But.....its all about outcomes - right???? Not using what's new just because its new. Tell the guy thats what you do all day - monitor outcomes....P&T, M&M, etc....oh & golf & such...😀

Well, my stint as a rogue hospital DOP is coming to an end.... I'm going into clinical pharmacy/financial consulting for a GPO starting March. I'll be in charge of consulting for a company with 20+ hospitals in my region.

I won't miss the day to day operation of the pharmacy nor will I miss the qulity initiatives. I'm looking forward to doing what I do best... 😍

So no more P&T for now.... 👍

 

[sdn1977]

Well, my stint as a rogue hospital DOP is coming to an end.... I'm going into clinical pharmacy/financial consulting for a GPO starting March. I'll be in charge of consulting for a company with 20+ hospitals in my region.

I won't miss the day to day operation of the pharmacy nor will I miss the qulity initiatives. I'm looking forward to doing what I do best... 😍

So no more P&T for now.... 👍

Tell me NO!!!!!

Altho I appreciate your desire to step away from that position - which can't be paid enough, IMO!!!!! you are a RARE breed of dops!!!!

Now...I won't even know of a GREAT dop - you were the only one. Altho I've been blessed with working for GOOD dops - you've been a very good example of a GREAT one.

Best of luck with your consulting job! (And....you really will miss those P&T's.......!!!!!😀 )!

 

[ZpackSux]

Tell me NO!!!!!

Altho I appreciate your desire to step away from that position - which can't be paid enough, IMO!!!!! you are a RARE breed of dops!!!!

Now...I won't even know of a GREAT dop - you were the only one. Altho I've been blessed with working for GOOD dops - you've been a very good example of a GREAT one.

Best of luck with your consulting job! (And....you really will miss those P&T's.......!!!!!😀 )!

Young lady ..u give me too much credit...actually I got tired of you calling DOP... so I'm stepping away. j/k

I just tried to be fair to everyone and treated everyone like the way I would have wanted to be treated. The biggest challenge wasn't the medical staff, administration, nor the nursing. It was the pharmacy staff itself. Lack of ability to tolerate others is the biggest problem with some petty people who can affect the morale of the department. I have implemented most of the programs I know how...and I hope that the hospital and the staff are better off today than before I started. And in the future, I'm sure I'll work with some of them again.😎

 

[sdn1977]

Young lady ..u give me too much credit...actually I got tired of you calling DOP... so I'm stepping away. j/k

I just tried to be fair to everyone and treated everyone like the way I would have wanted to be treated. The biggest challenge wasn't the medical staff, administration, nor the nursing. It was the pharmacy staff itself. Lack of ability to tolerate others is the biggest problem with some petty people who can affect the morale of the department. I have implemented most of the programs I know how...and I hope that the hospital and the staff are better off today than before I started. And in the future, I'm sure I'll work with some of them again.😎

Zpak....I referred to you as a dop - not DOP! That almost sounds god-like (hahahahaha!!!!! ) yes....just joking!!! However, I don't think we have a dop here anymore🙁 .

But...I can appreciate your circumstance & if this can be a lesson to all hospital pharmacists (in some places known as......"clinical" pharmacists), potential pharmacists - hospital or otherwise, technicians - hospital or otherwise & anyone else who has anything at all to do with pharmacy - hospital or otherwise........listen to this guy - petty stuff can be the death (or end) of really, really good people!!!!!!

Go along to get along!!!! When someone needs a favor do it - you may not get that favor back from that individual, but someone else will do one for you - if not this job then another job. Its all the same!!!

Someone may say something or do something which you may interprete as diminishing you or your occupation or your place....but.....we are valued! Perhaps not each and every day & perhaps not by each and every person. But - if you can change just one circumstance for the better - as Zpak has - consider yourself a contributor to the improvement of healthcare. Find a way, within yourself, to give yourself your own positive feedback - I have & I find I do make a huge contribution to many people.

And, finally (long rant, I know - Caverject!!!!) - keep up to date! Zpak is not as old as I am, but he is an old dog. He's just been hired to be a consultant to 20 hospitals!!! Keep up!!! Its a lot of work - perhaps harder than in your life as a student because you have no structure. But, someone who can only lick & stick will not be able to continue to contribute.

So....Zpak - here's your gold watch🙂 . I am raising my glass of champagne to toast your accomplishments (ok.....its just chardonnay - but it works!).

Good Luck and best wishes for all your future ventures!

 

[ZpackSux]

Zpak....I referred to you as a dop - not DOP! That almost sounds god-like (hahahahaha!!!!! ) yes....just joking!!! However, I don't think we have a dop here anymore🙁 .

But...I can appreciate your circumstance & if this can be a lesson to all hospital pharmacists (in some places known as......"clinical" pharmacists), potential pharmacists - hospital or otherwise, technicians - hospital or otherwise & anyone else who has anything at all to do with pharmacy - hospital or otherwise........listen to this guy - petty stuff can be the death (or end) of really, really good people!!!!!!

Go along to get along!!!! When someone needs a favor do it - you may not get that favor back from that individual, but someone else will do one for you - if not this job then another job. Its all the same!!!

Someone may say something or do something which you may interprete as diminishing you or your occupation or your place....but.....we are valued! Perhaps not each and every day & perhaps not by each and every person. But - if you can change just one circumstance for the better - as Zpak has - consider yourself a contributor to the improvement of healthcare. Find a way, within yourself, to give yourself your own positive feedback - I have & I find I do make a huge contribution to many people.

And, finally (long rant, I know - Caverject!!!!) - keep up to date! Zpak is not as old as I am, but he is an old dog. He's just been hired to be a consultant to 20 hospitals!!! Keep up!!! Its a lot of work - perhaps harder than in your life as a student because you have no structure. But, someone who can only lick & stick will not be able to continue to contribute.

So....Zpak - here's your gold watch🙂 . I am raising my glass of champagne to toast your accomplishments (ok.....its just chardonnay - but it works!).

Good Luck and best wishes for all your future ventures!

Thanks!!

I'm looking forward to the challenge. Because of the confidentiality agreement I signed with the company, I really will have to becareful what I say or do. But I'm prepared. The biggest challenge will be the each DOPs who will tell me "We can't do that...you don't understand our hospital...this is the way we do things here."

But... I do understand their hospital. We all have same goals.