Please help with NY MPJE!!

[Pharmgirl200]

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To any NY state licensed pharmacists or those studying to take the MPJE:

I am currently studying to take the MPJE but am confused about a bunch of things because my materials are contradictory. Can anyone clarify for me:
1. are benzodiazapenes considered to be CII's or CIV's in NYS?
2. what are the rules for filling partials with controlled substances?
3. are techs (according to NY law) allowed to do compounding?
4. what must pharmacists write on prescriptions for controlled
vs. non-controlled drugs?

THANKS 🙂

 

[HawaiiGuy011]

Hey Pharmgirl, i'm currently a 6th year student who is going to school in NY. Not sure why you would ever want to practice in this state. 😛 Anyways...

1) Benzos are CIV, but are treated like CII in regards to refills (cannot be refilled, can authorize only a 5 day emergency supply orally, follow up must be within 72 hours) Also benzos are to be placed within the normal controls, and not the CII's

2) CII's can only be partially filled when you don't have enough in the Pharmacy to fill it, the patient is in long term care, or if the patient is terminally ill. The remaining must be filled within 72 hours, if its past that time period, no further amount can be dispensed.

3) No, techs cannot compound. You are the only person who can compound Rx's.

4) In regards to signing off i'm assuming? Nothing too different. Initials, date, and quantity dispensed is usually how we do at our pharmacy.


NY Laws are quite annoying, also make sure your aware of CII exceptions such as with chronic gonadotropin, and anabolic steroids.

Good luck! If you have any information on the Virgina Law exam please tell, i'm getting out NYS at the end of this year 🙂

 

[Pharmgirl200]

HawaiiGuy...Thanks soooo much for taking the time to answer my questions!! I really appreciate it. As for me, I am moving from Pennsylvania where the state laws are radically different than the ones in NYS. So unfortunately I can't help you out with Virginia Law info.

I was hoping you could also help me out with the following questions:

1) According to my materials, in NYS, ONLY a practitioner can ORALLY prescribe a controlled substance to a pharmacist, and nurses and office personnel are NOT authorized to phone it in. Is this true? (In practice, a doc's nurse/sec can't call it in?)

2) What does a NYS pharmacist do when a patient who just purchased a prescription comes back to the pharmacy to RETURN it (due to perhaps a medication error or generic vs. brand issue)? Does the pharmacist dump the meds and refund the patient? And if it's a controlled substance, what does pharmacist actually do with the meds?

3) I am taking the NYS law exam in 2 weeks so I was wondering if your NY pharmacy school uses any particular NYS law book or materials that I can look for to prepare for the law exam since my materials are confusing and contradictory?

THANKS AGAIN AND GOOD LUCK WITH VIRGINIA LAW!!

 

[deleted319231]

anyone know the answer to this?

HawaiiGuy...Thanks soooo much for taking the time to answer my questions!! I really appreciate it. As for me, I am moving from Pennsylvania where the state laws are radically different than the ones in NYS. So unfortunately I can't help you out with Virginia Law info.

I was hoping you could also help me out with the following questions:

1) According to my materials, in NYS, ONLY a practitioner can ORALLY prescribe a controlled substance to a pharmacist, and nurses and office personnel are NOT authorized to phone it in. Is this true? (In practice, a doc's nurse/sec can't call it in?)

2) What does a NYS pharmacist do when a patient who just purchased a prescription comes back to the pharmacy to RETURN it (due to perhaps a medication error or generic vs. brand issue)? Does the pharmacist dump the meds and refund the patient? And if it's a controlled substance, what does pharmacist actually do with the meds?

3) I am taking the NYS law exam in 2 weeks so I was wondering if your NY pharmacy school uses any particular NYS law book or materials that I can look for to prepare for the law exam since my materials are confusing and contradictory?

THANKS AGAIN AND GOOD LUCK WITH VIRGINIA LAW!!

 

[DrHashamRx]

Good Luck Everyone!

 

[Sparda29]

Any specific review book that people like to use? I'm taking it next Monday.

 

[TemSirolimus]

(I meant to quote Hawaiiguys post..not sure why it didnt work)


this post caught my attention coz I felt much the same way the poster feels about pharmacy practice in NY. If I had to work as a pharmacist in NY, I would be doing at least 2-3 times the work I do now for the same yield.

see reason #1 and # 3. There are few other reasons. Man I hated NY.

 

[BuffaloPharma]

HawaiiGuy...Thanks soooo much for taking the time to answer my questions!! I really appreciate it. As for me, I am moving from Pennsylvania where the state laws are radically different than the ones in NYS. So unfortunately I can't help you out with Virginia Law info.

I was hoping you could also help me out with the following questions:

1) According to my materials, in NYS, ONLY a practitioner can ORALLY prescribe a controlled substance to a pharmacist, and nurses and office personnel are NOT authorized to phone it in. Is this true? (In practice, a doc's nurse/sec can't call it in?)


2) What does a NYS pharmacist do when a patient who just purchased a prescription comes back to the pharmacy to RETURN it (due to perhaps a medication error or generic vs. brand issue)? Does the pharmacist dump the meds and refund the patient? And if it's a controlled substance, what does pharmacist actually do with the meds?


3) I am taking the NYS law exam in 2 weeks so I was wondering if your NY pharmacy school uses any particular NYS law book or materials that I can look for to prepare for the law exam since my materials are confusing and contradictory?



THANKS AGAIN AND GOOD LUCK WITH VIRGINIA LAW!!

1. Only Practitioners may transmit controlled substances, as well as non-controls that are electronic (computer to fax, or computer to computer)

2.Medications that are dispensed to the patient can be taken back, unless they are controls. When a dispensed medication is returned, it cannot be put back on the stock, the reason behind this is you don't know what storage conditions the drugs are in while under the patient's control, so the product would be assumed to be adulterated, and not fit for resale. They started doing a drug take back program in NYS to allow patients with controls (or non controls) to return the drugs (usually expired or no longer needed) back to the DEA.

3.We had a 2 day review course hosted by our school professor (University at Buffalo). This was a one-time, annual course that is held annually sometime in May. They don't really recommend any review books, since most students are residents in NY and therefore fairly familiar with the laws. You can always print out the laws themselves, although there are hundreds of pages to go through. I just took the mpje last saturday, which was quite the experience. I've heard its one of the hardest law exams to take, and I believe it.

Good luck!