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Hello,
I was wondering if axm397 or drusso or anybody, can give information about PMR job search, which can be helpful to many of this forum followers.
PMR job search tips
Recruiters Vs direct approach to employers
Contract/agreement - what to be careful about and what to look for...etc,
Any other related info.
This is an awesome forum.I wish I knew this forum much before.

Thanks
 
I agree the job board on AAPM&R. Other places to look are the Red and Blue journals...although it is heavy on academic jobs. Talk with the drug reps in the area, they know if someone is looking.

Contracts are challenging because there are no rules and furthermore, you can challenge things. Some important things are bonus structure (your basic salary says very little about what your income will be), restrictive covenant, scheduling...possibility of partnership.
 
Practice link also has some jobs listed.

I've contacted a recruiter, to be honest, wasn't pleased with the experience. Remember, recruiters only make their $$$ when you sign a contract. He kept telling me to look at jobs I had no interest in and I specifically told him did not meet my criteria.
 
Practice link also has some jobs listed.

I've contacted a recruiter, to be honest, wasn't pleased with the experience. Remember, recruiters only make their $$$ when you sign a contract. He kept telling me to look at jobs I had no interest in and I specifically told him did not meet my criteria.

I have been focusing my attention in obtaining a Sports & Spine fellowship. However, I have been contacted by many recruiters for job offers. Like Finally M3 (more like "Finally PGY4!"), these recruiters keep throwing in job opportunites in undesired locations for me. For example, Texas and Cali are a couple of states that I am interested in practicing. However, the same recruiter instead show job opportunities in OK and Wyoming. AAPMR has good listings but word of mouth is the best way to find job offers.
 
Do you find it hard to find jobs in locations that you prefer. Lets say the NY/NJ/PA area or Mass/Connecticut for example.
 
Do you find it hard to find jobs in locations that you prefer. Lets say the NY/NJ/PA area or Mass/Connecticut for example.
The NYC area is definitely hard to jobs even in PM&R. Most of the jobs look unattractive. Many of which is inpatient rehab mostly with very few outpatient and/or msk opportunities. Also, the salaries are very low. Upstate NY has lots of job offers. NJ and PA job market isn't that bad. Mass' job market is not too good.
 
From what I've seen in the last few years, I think most jobs are secured through word of mouth and alums. If you know someone who is practicing in the area you may want to live, you could ask them for leads. A lot of times, practices may not be specifically looking for someone but if you know them and you present them with a novel plan, they may consider hiring you. Many of my friends also have been in touch with alums from their residencies and fellowships to see if they would consider hiring them - most of those positions were not publically advertised either. PM&R is a small world and ultimately, it looks like who you know definitely helps more than looking through journals and talking to recruiters. that's my 2cents.
 
PM&R is a small world and ultimately, it looks like who you know definitely helps more than looking through journals and talking to recruiters. that's my 2cents.

I agree up to a point. However if you are looking for strictly outpatient, most of those jobs are working with an ortho or neurosurgery group. Some of these groups are hiring for the first time and are not too familar with PM&R (just that they can keep referrals in house with a physiatrist)
 
I agree up to a point. However if you are looking for strictly outpatient, most of those jobs are working with an ortho or neurosurgery group. Some of these groups are hiring for the first time and are not too familar with PM&R (just that they can keep referrals in house with a physiatrist)

If you're particularly interested in multi-specialty surgical practices, you might consider networking at one of the predominantly surgical spine conferences---NASS would be the obvious choice.

Also, *YOU* can advertise your availability in one of the surgical spine or ortho journals. Finally, you can cold call groups...
 
I am advising extreme caution in the use of recruiters or internet based job search engines.

Recruiters are paid to get you signed up for a job, from $5k-35k.
I have seen Chiropractors, PT's, and equipment sales people advertize jobs on job boards to snare a PM&R doc. YOu would not know this until you interview or send them too much information.

If you have questions or it smells fishy.... PM me or one of the already working docs before taking that first step. There are predators out there!
 
The best way to find a job is by networking, word of mouth. Nevertheless, there is another, excellent way.


The best, most powerful, most successful and least advertised way of finding a job


1. Decide where you want to work and live. Consider the climate, the landscape, the economical situation and future outlook, the culture, your ability to pursue your hobbies, the cost of living and of real estate, the cost of malpractice, the possibility of working without paying malpractice, and financial issues such as being able to balance-bill.

2. Buy a list of all addresses, phone number and fax number of all physicians in your specialty in the desired area. This is much easier and cheaper than you may think.

List providers are InfoUSA.com, WebMD or MMSlists, the marketing arm of the AMA.

I prefer InfoUSA.com. First, you can easily select just the right group of physicians you want. Second, you can purchase your list online, without having to call anyone. Third, there are no restrictions on the list you receive such as number of times you can use it (The AMA just loves to restrict you...). The cost per physician contact info is about 75 cents. For this you get address, telephone and fax number. InfoUSA also gives you year of graduation, name of office manager and a number of other useful little data. You will receive the list via email in CSV or Excel format. Either format is fine for your purposes.


3. Write your CV and cover letter. Have them reviewed, rewritten or may be written anew by an expert, such as a friend who is a marketer or publicist, an English major, or a professional writer, e.g. the people at Quintcareers.com. I have personal experiences with Quintcareers.com and was happy with them.


4. Have your CV photocopied on quality paper at Staples, Office Max, Kinko, etc.
5. Use Microsoft Word to Mail-Merge your cover letter with the address list from InfoUSA and print the 100-500 personally addressed letters on the same paper as your CV. Your office store can do that as well for you. Sign all letters, fold and put them in envelops. Address the envelops with clear plastic labels, e.g. Avery, that you buy at your office store. You can print the addresses and your own home address on these labels using Word.


6. Mail your cover letter and CV to all doctors in your target area. Mail them so that they arrive on a Tuesday or Wednesday. This increases the chance of being read.

7. You may also fax your cover letter and CV (or maybe just your cover letter) to all physicians in your target area. You can fax all letters individually or you can use an Internet fax service such as JBlast.com. This is my preferred fax broadcast system because it allows you to Mail-Merge your letter with your list of addresses with the same ease as MS Word. You can literally fax your letter to hundreds of physicians with a single click. This costs about 6-10 cents per fax. Please consider the laws about unsolicited faxes that apply in most states! You may be considered to send unsolicited faxes, which may be illegal! You are doing this at your own risk!

The response rate will be 1-2%, meaning if you mail or fax 800 letters, you will receive about 8-16 interviews. The more physicians you contact, the more interviews you will get. This is the least expensive and most effective, most successful way to find a job as a physician - and you can find it exactly where you want it. Obviously, you may repeat this after three to four months if it does not work the first time.
Sounds like too much work for you? You do not know how you can fit this into the schedule? there is a company that does all the legwork for you. It is called TheDoctorJob.com. They will charge about 1.50 to 2.00 for each letter they write, print and mail. It is slightly more expensive then doing it yourself, but it saves you time. They have been doing it since 2003 and are very, very good at it. Since 2006 Doccafe.com also offers this service, but they do not seem very enthusiastic about it. After all, they seem to live on recruiter ads and recruiters despise the direct mail method. It makes them obsolete.

8. Follow up, follow up, follow up. That means sending another letter, another fax or calling one or two weeks after sending the letter. Be persistent.
9. Parallel to all this, use the methods that I call "Passive search", such as looking through magazines, websites etc.
10. You do not need recruiters. With the above method you will find 2-5 times more jobs than the best recruiter will ever be able to find. Your application does not have a 20K price tag attached and therefore your letter is much more welcome than a mailing from any recruiter.
 
If you're particularly interested in multi-specialty surgical practices, you might consider networking at one of the predominantly surgical spine conferences---NASS would be the obvious choice.

Also, *YOU* can advertise your availability in one of the surgical spine or ortho journals. Finally, you can cold call groups...
Multi-specialty practices are good for primarily outpatient. However, wouldn't it be better to try and work for a single-specialty group since reimbursements and billing are better?
 
I am new to this forum so let me first introduce myself. I am a current 4th year thinking about applying for PM&R. I do appreciate the post on this site.

After reading these threads though I am having some doubts. Even though I am not going into PMR for the money, I however would like to know that after spending 8 years of my life in school and residency, that I will at least have a decent Job and some money to live on and start paying my student loans. However, the vibe I am getting from this forum is that its hard to get a PMR job.

Please can someone enlighten me more about the future of pmr and the job availability in this field. Also whats the average waiting time it takes to land your first job. Thanks
 
Getting a job is not hard. Getting a job that suits someone's geography, subspecialty, money goals can be challenging. All the people that went into practice after residency had no problems getting jobs in there desired geography practicing the type of physiatry they were interested in.

As for salary discussed in this forum. It definitely depends on geography. But salary is a relative thing once you get out there. There are no rules on what an employer offers you. The bonus structure can change your income from $30,000-100,000 K depending on production. So base salary is not a number to hang your hat on. It depends on how much you bring in, what percentage you get, and at what amount that you bring in that the bonus starts.
 
Please can someone enlighten me more about the future of pmr and the job availability in this field. Also whats the average waiting time it takes to land your first job. Thanks

PM&R is a broad field.

First you have to decide what you would like to do? Inpatient acute rehab, inpatient subacute rehab, outpatient musculoskeletal, pain management, EMG's, etc.

You also have to decide between private practice and an academic setting.

Do you want to work with a group of physiatrists, work for a corporation/multispeciality group, work for an ortho or neurosurgery group, or even go solo.

Don't forget about location. Big city, suburbs, mid size city, small town, etc.

So there are quite a few factors in deciding on a job. If you are very flexible, you will have no problem finding a job. I see recruiters still advertising a job they mentioned to me 3 years ago. Said it was known as the bay area of the Midwest............Duluth, Minnesota 😱
 
Thanks for the replies. I am looking to do residency in texas and live possibly around the DFW area after residency. Right now I'm interested in a more outpatient MSK/spine or even possibly pain but at the same time I'm not averse to inpatient. Any info on the Dallas- Fort worth area? Thanks
 
I have a few friends who are practicing in the DFW area and the jobs vary from inpatient TBI practice in a multispecialty practice to private practice multispecialty interventional pain/EMG practice (my friend did a fellowship), to an academic interventional pain position at UTSW(fellow sdner). I think there are some areas that are more saturated than others (Chicago, NYC, Southern California) where you might not be able to be as picky and may not be paid as much... but there are still plenty of opportunities to find jobs everywhere in the U.S. Again, like others said - depends on type of practice, area of rehab you want to specialize in, etc. A lot of jobs are word of mouth and alumni connection as well. Many alums looking for new partners will contact their residency programs first before putting out an ad, etc.
 
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