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I've been reading a few of the threads regarding scope of practice for ODs and similar topics and see that they all turn into OD vs oMD debates. This is really NOT my intention, so let me preface my question with this disclaimer. As someone who is going to start ophtho residency soon, I don't feel qualified to have a strong opinion about it yet and so I'M JUST ASKING, please don't turn this into one of those threads.
Are ODs allowed to prescribe oral meds right now? Do they want to, and if so with what limitations, if any? And I don't know the specifics of the OD curriculum, but exactly how qualified/comfortable are you to write for something like po steroids and then monitor for it's side effects, recognize them, etc?
 
I've been reading a few of the threads regarding scope of practice for ODs and similar topics and see that they all turn into OD vs oMD debates. This is really NOT my intention, so let me preface my question with this disclaimer. As someone who is going to start ophtho residency soon, I don't feel qualified to have a strong opinion about it yet and so I'M JUST ASKING, please don't turn this into one of those threads.
Are ODs allowed to prescribe oral meds right now? Do they want to, and if so with what limitations, if any? And I don't know the specifics of the OD curriculum, but exactly how qualified/comfortable are you to write for something like po steroids and then monitor for it's side effects, recognize them, etc?

The prescription of oral meds varies from state to state. I only know the specific laws for the two states I've worked in (Texas and Florida)

In Florida, I cannot write for any oral meds, period. I believe there are only five states left like this.

In Texas, I can write for oral Abx, limited allergy meds, some pain killers in small doses, and anti-virals. You can rx oral meds, but on a VERY limited scope. There are specific dosages and specific formularies you have to stick to. I'm not sure if you can write for oral steriods in Texas. (I'd have to go back and look up the bylaws which I don't have in my office anymore since I'm in FL now)

The limitations are set by the state.

But, to answer your other question we do take multiple semesters of ocular and general pharmacology. We also have three years of patient interactions, including writing Rxs and monitoring for side effects.
 
In CA, optometrists are authorized to prescribe oral antibiotics of a certain class, Vicodin and oral antivirals. I practice in CA, do enjoy prescribing the orals and would enjoy continuing to so. Because of my work situation, the patient's complete medical history is available to me.
 
In Alabama we can prescribe just about any oral that we need to, including steroids. We are well trained in pharmacology. At UAB we take general pharmacology with the dental students and then complete additional specific ocular pharmacology course work. I once heard that we have more lecture hours devoted to pharmacology than the medical students at UAB. We do such things to "prove ourselves" no doubt. Optometry school is 4 fun filled years including the summers at UAB. You can pack in a whole lot of info in what amounts to class from 8am-5pm everyday for 3 years and one full year of clinic. How much we can retain is a another question lol.

To be quite honest though the need to prescribe oral steroids does not occur all that often in primary eye care. Conditions that I can think of that we more commonly Rx oral meds for are oral analgesics for pain, antibiotics for conditions such as preseptal cellulitis or more commonly things like Tetracycline or Doxycycline for ocular rosacia or a chalazia, oral CAIs (diamox) for angle acute angle closure, and maybe some antivirals for things like HSV.

In eyecare topicals, in general, tend to be more effective and targeted therapies. Topicals have the significant benefit of having less systemic side effects. Any of the Glaucoma meds, topical steroids, topical antibiotics, and topical antihistamines are used orders of magnitude more frequently than any oral meds in eyecare, including ophthalmology. Vigamox, Zymar, Pred Forte, Patanol, Restasis and any of the prostaglandin analogs, topical NSAIDs (acular) and maybe atropine/homatropine/cyclo probably account for 9 out of 10 (or more) Rx's written by O.D.’s. This of course does not count any of the drugs that are used diagnostically.


Below you will find the law governing optometry in AL.

(4) PRACTICE OF OPTOMETRY. The practice of optometry is a learned profession involving the examination, measurement by objective and subjective means, diagnosis, treatment and prevention of any departure from the normal of the human eyes, their adjacent structures, and visual system. The practice of optometry includes, but is not limited to: The adapting and fitting of all types of lenses or devices, including , contact lenses; the determination of refractive error and shape of the eye and visual, muscular or anatomical anomalies of the eye through the use of any means including the use of self testing device and the use of any computerized or automatic refracting device; the determination and prescribing of spectacle or contact lens parameters; the administering and prescription of pharmaceutical agents rational to the diagnosis and treatment of disease of the human eye and its adjacent structures; the removal of superficial foreign bodies from the human eye and its adjacent structures; the providing of developmental and perceptual therapy for the vision system; the utilization of any method or means to diagnose and treat diseases of the human eye and its adjacent structures as determined and approved by the board, subject to the limitations of this act; the performance of primary eye care procedures or ordering of laboratory tests rational to the diagnosis and treatment of conditions or diseases of the human eye and its adjacent structures as determined and approved by the board, subject to the limitations of this act. The practice of optometry shall include the prescribing and administering of narcotic analgesics pursuant to the Alabama Uniform Controlled Substances Act, except for narcotic analgesics classified under Schedule I and II, and any Schedule III pharmaceutical agents that contain Dihydrocodeinone (Hydrocodone). The prescribing or administering of any other Schedule III pharmaceutical agent shall be limited to a prescription, the duration of which does not exceed 96 hours. Notwithstanding any provision of this act to the contrary, the practice of optometry shall include the prescribing and administering of pharmaceutical agents which are commonly known as steroids. Optometrists are prohibited from performing injections into the eyeball, cataract surgery, muscle surgery, retinal surgery, radial keratotomy, laser surgery, cryosurgery, or any other invasive surgery. The Alabama Board of Optometry shall be a certifying board as defined in Section 20-2-2, except as limited by this act. The practice of optometry shall include the authority to administer benedryl, epinephrine, or other medication to counteract anaphylaxis or anaphylactic reaction. The use and prescribing of pharmaceutical agents for the treatment of the human eye and its adjacent structures shall be limited to those optometrists approved by the board.
 
In Alabama we can prescribe just about any oral that we need to, including steroids. We are well trained in pharmacology. At UAB we take general pharmacology with the dental students and then complete additional specific ocular pharmacology course work. I once heard that we have more lecture hours devoted to pharmacology than the medical students at UAB. We do such things to "prove ourselves" no doubt. Optometry school is 4 fun filled years including the summers at UAB. You can pack in a whole lot of info in what amounts to class from 8am-5pm everyday for 3 years and one full year of clinic. How much we can retain is a another question lol.

The number of hours spent in the classroom is probably much less important than the number of hours of clinical training and interaction with patients taking these medications along with a variety of disease states for which they are used or may have positive or negative impact.

Ask any intern at the end of his/her internship to compare his/her knowledge of pharmacology from a clinical standpoint to what it was at the endof second year in medical school. After thousands of hours of clinical interaction with patients, there is a much better understanding.

I do not think you can compare the information you learn in the classroom to that gained in the hospital and outpatient settings. I think this is a point that is often missed. That is not to say there may not be some call for oral med prescribing but it is not just a matter of how many lecture hours you sit through in school that determines how safely you will use them.
 
Absolutely agreed. There cannot be enough said for clinical experience. I can say with great certainty that I remember much more of what I learn in a clinical setting than what I learn in the classroom. In the end though, you have to start somewhere. Optometrists gain experience the same way anybody else does with patient encounters and time.

The number of hours spent in the classroom is probably much less important than the number of hours of clinical training and interaction with patients taking these medications along with a variety of disease states for which they are used or may have positive or negative impact.

Ask any intern at the end of his/her internship to compare his/her knowledge of pharmacology from a clinical standpoint to what it was at the endof second year in medical school. After thousands of hours of clinical interaction with patients, there is a much better understanding.

I do not think you can compare the information you learn in the classroom to that gained in the hospital and outpatient settings. I think this is a point that is often missed. That is not to say there may not be some call for oral med prescribing but it is not just a matter of how many lecture hours you sit through in school that determines how safely you will use them.
 
Can somebody please tell me what are the five states that can prescribe oral medications, injection and lasiks....Also if you go to a school such as PCO and that state is not in the five states list so if you decide to move to one of these five states can you pratice in those five states then even if you didn't go to school(out of those five states)
Hope this is not confusing...
anybody....help me out here
 
Can somebody please tell me what are the five states that can prescribe oral medications, injection and lasiks....Also if you go to a school such as PCO and that state is not in the five states list so if you decide to move to one of these five states can you pratice in those five states then even if you didn't go to school(out of those five states)
Hope this is not confusing...
anybody....help me out here

That's a good question, what if you go to a school in a state where you cannot do injections/orals, etc? Do you still get trained?

Tennessee is one of those states that can do everything except surgical. So choose SCO!
 
Can somebody please tell me what are the five states that can prescribe oral medications, injection and lasiks....Also if you go to a school such as PCO and that state is not in the five states list so if you decide to move to one of these five states can you pratice in those five states then even if you didn't go to school(out of those five states)
Hope this is not confusing...
anybody....help me out here

First off optometrists cannot perform LASIK (Laser-Assisted Stromal In-situ Keratomileusis) in any state. I don't know where the confusion and misspelling comes from it is LASIK and not lasiks (sic). Lasix (furosimide) is a loop diuretic and has nothing to do with a laser, and why you would ever need to prescribe it as an optometrist is beyond me LOL.

The state with the most liberal scope with respect to optometry is Oklahoma. In Oklahoma optometrists are allowed to perform laser procedures, but the law specifically excludes LASIK. Some ODs there have performed PRK, but I think that is far from common place. The procedures that are more commonly performed, as I understand it, are more on the order of magnitude of PIs, YAG Capsulotomy etc...

As far as Oral medications go, more states allow the RXing of PO meds by ODs than do not. Rules vary significantly from state to state. Here is a link: http://library.ico.edu/laws.html to the various boards of optometry, where you can look up the laws as they apply to your state.

All optometrists must pass the NBEO regardless of where they go to school. The NBEO assumes the broadest possible scope of practice. Also schools have externships during your fourth year which allow you to go to states other than the state of your school.
 
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