POLL: Eliminate the use of the derogatory term "Allopathic" from SDN

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Should the term "Allopathic" be ELIMINATED from SDN?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 19.0%

  • No

    Votes: 102 81.0%
  • Total voters
    126
  • Poll closed .
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According to wikipedia:

Allopathic medicine is an expression commonly used by homeopaths and proponents of other forms of alternative medicine to refer to mainstream medical use of pharmacologically active agents or physical interventions to treat or suppress symptoms or pathophysiologic processes of diseases or conditions.

Never accepted as a mainstream scientific term, it was adopted by alternative medicine advocates to refer pejoratively to mainstream medicine.
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so why is this derogatory term being used on SDN?!

Do you guys think the use of this term should be eliminated from SDN? If so, any suggestions on what to rename the Pre-Allo and Allo forums?
 
YesWeCan13 said:
According to wikipedia:



so why is this derogatory term being used on SDN?!

Do you guys think the use of this term should be eliminated from SDN? If so, any suggestions on what to rename the Pre-Allo and Allo forums?
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Do u even lift brah?
 
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We should call ourselves "unholistic medicine", to distinguish ourselves from the DO's.
 
YesWeCan13 said:
According to wikipedia:



so why is this derogatory term being used on SDN?!

Do you guys think the use of this term should be eliminated from SDN? If so, any suggestions on what to rename the Pre-Allo and Allo forums?
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No! (and I'm relatively liberal and welcoming of change)

As wikipedia pretty much said:

Allo means different, other, opposite.

Pathic I assume refers to a disease state.

Therefore, allopathic physicians treat disease states by opposing the conditions imposed by the disease states. Does a patient have high cholesterol? Give them a drug which inhibits an enzyme in the process to negate the effect. Its not a derogatory term by any means. It's always important to recognize the historic origins of things.

With this being said, if we want to maybe have another name for an allopathic physician then we should do so but not eliminate the former name which sheds a great deal of light on the initial goal of allopathic physicians. Maybe we might change this as modern medicine gets rid of this simplification in medicine and transitions to more integrative medicine).
 
SuperDhooper19 said:
No!

Allo means different, other, opposite.

Pathic I assume refers to a disease state.

Therefore, allopathic physicians treat disease states by opposing the conditions imposed by the disease states. Does a patient have high cholesterol? Give them a drug which inhibits an enzyme in the process to negate the effect. Its not a derogatory term by any means. It's always important to recognize the historic origins of things.

With this being said, if we want to maybe have another name for an allopathic physician then we should do so but not eliminate the former name which sheds a great deal of light on the initial goal of allopathic physicians.
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:troll:
 
I was also taught in Elementary school to never cite wikipedia.....
 
mwall003 said:
I was also taught in Elementary school to never cite wikipedia.....
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You will soon learn that your elementary school teacher clearly did NOT go to medical school. :laugh:
 
I always thought the term "allopathic" was pretty dumb, and I never used it outside these forums.
 
I don't know why you called him/her a troll, what SuperDhooper said is the meaning of "allopathic" is exactly what I learned in my history of medicine class, taught by a professor who is a transplant heart surgeon (MD) with a Ph.D. in history of medicine. It was coined by allopathic physicians themselves for the reasons SuperDhooper mentioned, to distinguish themselves from homeopathy.
 
YesWeCan13 said:
According to wikipedia:



so why is this derogatory term being used on SDN?!

Do you guys think the use of this term should be eliminated from SDN? If so, any suggestions on what to rename the Pre-Allo and Allo forums?
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Who cares?
 
How else are we supposed to segregate ourselves from the DOs?
 
Anyone else have to look up the word "pejoratively" after reading the OP?
 
Whenever I vote for something, I ask myself: "will this piss off a self-important know-it-all pre-medical student?" Here the answer is an obvious 'yes.' Even if the OP is a resident.

Of course, I'd vote to let pre-chriopractor students have a sub-forum here too. Just to make SDN all riled up!
 
YesWeCan13 said:
According to wikipedia:



so why is this derogatory term being used on SDN?!

Do you guys think the use of this term should be eliminated from SDN? If so, any suggestions on what to rename the Pre-Allo and Allo forums?
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dbeast said:
How else are we supposed to segregate ourselves from the DOs?
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As a DO/MD applicant, it would help to call it osteopathic and legitopathic so that I remember that even if I'm accepted DO, I will still never be a real doctor. Thank you for bringing this up, OP, MDs are so unfairly marginalized in the medical community.
 
mwall003 said:
I was also taught in Elementary school to never cite wikipedia.....
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Meh, that's only because it's mutable...people who follow your references might not be seeing exactly what you saw, and therefore your citation is rather useless. As far as accuracy goes, however, it's right up there with Britannica. Nature actually published a study on that once, and the two were fairly equivalently accurate for the sciences.
 
The Beyonder said:
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this gif doesnt make sense. in the first cut, he is throwing the grenade up, and ducks with his hands over his head long before it explodes. in the second cut, you see the grenade exploding with his hands still up in the air after the throw, and as the plane flies by, you see him ducking with his hands put over his head.

so. not very good directorial work if i may say so
 
synth said:
this gif doesnt make sense. in the first cut, he is throwing the grenade up, and ducks with his hands over his head long before it explodes. in the second cut, you see the grenade exploding with his hands still up in the air after the throw, and as the plane flies by, you see him ducking with his hands put over his head.

so. not very good directorial work if i may say so
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Dude, why are you overanalyzing a gif?
 
okokok said:
I don't know why you called him/her a troll, what SuperDhooper said is the meaning of "allopathic" is exactly what I learned in my history of medicine class, taught by a professor who is a transplant heart surgeon (MD) with a Ph.D. in history of medicine. It was coined by allopathic physicians themselves for the reasons SuperDhooper mentioned, to distinguish themselves from homeopathy.
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Thanks for the support okokok. ThirdLevel's just a friend of mine and I think he was calling the thread starter a troll. I also had a history of medicine class so that's what I learned too. I don't know who coined the term but breaking things down roots is always a good idea so names can mean more than just sounds when they're spoken. Therefore, I maintain that allopathic should remain as it is because it's always important to keep the origins of things in mind. Then again, I never really use the term allopathic but for the sake of SDN where we have chiropractic, podiatric, osteopathic...it seems rude to get rid of allopathic and start calling ourselves doctors of medicine because the DOs are pretty much the same in that regard. Therefore, if anything we should give everyone (by this i mean current MDs and DOs only of course) the MD to minimize confusion and if a physician chooses to specify he can call himself an osteopathic physician or an allopathic physician (if asked-which he or her will not be). Therefore, I think the term DO needs to be thrown out. Osteopathy is not what DOs practice. They practice the same evidence based medicine as MDs do with a 200 hr. requirement of OMT. Therefore, they are medical doctors who have a slightly different perspective on medicine...they are not a doctor of a totally different field. But come on, who are they trying to kid. I've taken a class in the OST dpt and my school and the osteopathic doctors say their field is special in that they touch with their hands, see interrelationships between organ systems (basic physiological principle), and have better bed-side manners. I would presume MD schools also teach how to palpate, integrate symptoms, and have DPR classes...so really, it's all the same in my mind. I've shadowed a DO surgeon, indistinguishable attitude from an MD surgeon.


Hey, if anyone's interested here's a mystery. A was looking at pictures of MSUCOMs (DO school) graduating class. A pretty girl caught my attention and I was like huh, that's funny how styles change...wonder what she's up to now so I google her but I find that she's now an MD practicing in Southern California. How'd that happen?
 
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SuperDhooper19 said:
Hey, if anyone's interested here's a mystery. A was looking at pictures of MSUCOMs (DO school) graduating class. A pretty girl caught my attention and I was like huh, that's funny how styles change...wonder what she's up to now so I google her but I find that she's now an MD practicing in Southern California. How'd that happen?
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That's kind of creepy, dude...but perhaps she benefited from this.
 
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