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"Drug believed to ease pain from traumatic memories" by Peter Gorner.

Armed with new information about how brain chemicals affect the storage
and
retrieval of memories, scientists are racing to help people tortured by
searing recollections of traumatic events.

Military combat, rape, bombings, burns, beatings - these experiences
can
lead to post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, in which the sufferer
relives the event over and over to devastating effect, sometimes many
years
after the fact.

There is no definitive treatment for PTSD and no cure, and the number
of
cases is only expected to grow as a result of U.S. military action
overseas.
Last week, published research found that 12 percent of soldiers
returning
from Iraq were diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder,
depression or
another serious mental illness.

Brain scientists think they have found a way to help by using a drug
called
propranolol to alter traumatic thoughts. It appears that the drug, a
beta
blocker used to treat blood pressure, interferes with stress hormones
in the
brain to defuse the impact of horrific memories.

While use of the drug for this purpose has not been approved, some
psychiatrists already have begun to prescribe it off-label to patients
with
PTSD. (Other beta blockers do not seem to affect the brain the same
way.)

Researchers emphasize that the drug can lower the intensity of a bad
memory
but not erase it. "It's not that people will no longer remember the
trauma,
but the memory will be less painful," said Alain Brunet, a psychologist
at
McGill University in Montreal, where experiments on human subjects are
under
way.

If the drug works on PTSD, experts say it also might help with drug
addiction, stage fright, trembling, epilepsy and other conditions
caused by
changes in the brain's wiring.

The idea that a drug could affect memory flies in the face of a century
of
scientific belief. The thinking was that memories exist in an unstable
state
only for a short time; after roughly six hours, they get "consolidated"
and
stay that way forever.

But Karim Nader, a pioneering McGill psychologist, was able to show
that
long-term memories aren't nearly as hardwired as scientists had
thought.
When we retrieve a memory, Nader found, it again enters a vulnerable
state
where it could be manipulated or even lost.

"It was formerly thought that once a memory is fixed you can't mess
around
with it," said Nader. "That was scientific dogma for 100 years."

The brain's wiring changes each time something goes into long-term
memory,
but not all memories are equal, he said. "You remember the day of your
wedding better than three Tuesdays ago when there was nothing important
going on."

Emotional memories, Nader said, activate a second process that ups
their
intensity. This is called a "gain switch" and can be thought of as the
volume control on a radio.

Studies have shown that emotionally arousing events cause
stress-related
hormones such as adrenaline to be released by the brain's amygdala,
which is
involved in emotional learning and memory. PTSD may develop when the
event
is so emotionally powerful, and so much adrenaline is released, that
the
"gain switch" is set too high.

Then, each time the traumatic experience is recalled, the amygdala
releases
yet more hormones and intensifies the stressful memories even more.

"You can't control the memory. It's always invading your
consciousness,"
Nader said.

Propranolol throws a wrench into that self-perpetuating system by
interfering with the amygdala's receptors and allowing victims to
maintain a
level of memory similar to that of a bystander.

Nader and his colleagues have demonstrated this effect in rats. When
the
researchers reactivated a fearful memory in the rats, such as by
putting
them in a cage where they had previously been shocked, the animals who
were
given propranolol were no longer afraid.

Now the team is doing an experiment on men and women with
post-traumatic
stress disorder. The subjects are fitted with headphones so they can
listen
to recordings of their own descriptions of traumatic events they went
through.

Palm sweat, heart rate and other changes are measured to determine
whether
the physiological response to the traumatic story is less among those
who
took propranolol than among those given a placebo.

The study is not complete, but the researchers say they're "encouraged
and
excited" with the early results. "People with PTSD tell me their life
is so
miserable, they're willing to try anything to feel better," Brunet
said.
"I'm amazed that what seemed to be science fiction just a few years ago
is
being tested. So this is a really big move forward."



Any ideas? I know this is a lipophilic B-blocker, but is it slowing down overactivity in the HPA axis?

Give it a shot Dr. Poety 🙂
 
psisci said:
"Drug believed to ease pain from traumatic memories" by Peter Gorner.

Armed with new information about how brain chemicals affect the storage
and
retrieval of memories, scientists are racing to help people tortured by
searing recollections of traumatic events.

Military combat, rape, bombings, burns, beatings - these experiences
can
lead to post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, in which the sufferer
relives the event over and over to devastating effect, sometimes many
years
after the fact.

There is no definitive treatment for PTSD and no cure, and the number
of
cases is only expected to grow as a result of U.S. military action
overseas.
Last week, published research found that 12 percent of soldiers
returning
from Iraq were diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder,
depression or
another serious mental illness.

Brain scientists think they have found a way to help by using a drug
called
propranolol to alter traumatic thoughts. It appears that the drug, a
beta
blocker used to treat blood pressure, interferes with stress hormones
in the
brain to defuse the impact of horrific memories.

While use of the drug for this purpose has not been approved, some
psychiatrists already have begun to prescribe it off-label to patients
with
PTSD. (Other beta blockers do not seem to affect the brain the same
way.)

Researchers emphasize that the drug can lower the intensity of a bad
memory
but not erase it. "It's not that people will no longer remember the
trauma,
but the memory will be less painful," said Alain Brunet, a psychologist
at
McGill University in Montreal, where experiments on human subjects are
under
way.

If the drug works on PTSD, experts say it also might help with drug
addiction, stage fright, trembling, epilepsy and other conditions
caused by
changes in the brain's wiring.

The idea that a drug could affect memory flies in the face of a century
of
scientific belief. The thinking was that memories exist in an unstable
state
only for a short time; after roughly six hours, they get "consolidated"
and
stay that way forever.

But Karim Nader, a pioneering McGill psychologist, was able to show
that
long-term memories aren't nearly as hardwired as scientists had
thought.
When we retrieve a memory, Nader found, it again enters a vulnerable
state
where it could be manipulated or even lost.

"It was formerly thought that once a memory is fixed you can't mess
around
with it," said Nader. "That was scientific dogma for 100 years."

The brain's wiring changes each time something goes into long-term
memory,
but not all memories are equal, he said. "You remember the day of your
wedding better than three Tuesdays ago when there was nothing important
going on."

Emotional memories, Nader said, activate a second process that ups
their
intensity. This is called a "gain switch" and can be thought of as the
volume control on a radio.

Studies have shown that emotionally arousing events cause
stress-related
hormones such as adrenaline to be released by the brain's amygdala,
which is
involved in emotional learning and memory. PTSD may develop when the
event
is so emotionally powerful, and so much adrenaline is released, that
the
"gain switch" is set too high.

Then, each time the traumatic experience is recalled, the amygdala
releases
yet more hormones and intensifies the stressful memories even more.

"You can't control the memory. It's always invading your
consciousness,"
Nader said.

Propranolol throws a wrench into that self-perpetuating system by
interfering with the amygdala's receptors and allowing victims to
maintain a
level of memory similar to that of a bystander.

Nader and his colleagues have demonstrated this effect in rats. When
the
researchers reactivated a fearful memory in the rats, such as by
putting
them in a cage where they had previously been shocked, the animals who
were
given propranolol were no longer afraid.

Now the team is doing an experiment on men and women with
post-traumatic
stress disorder. The subjects are fitted with headphones so they can
listen
to recordings of their own descriptions of traumatic events they went
through.

Palm sweat, heart rate and other changes are measured to determine
whether
the physiological response to the traumatic story is less among those
who
took propranolol than among those given a placebo.

The study is not complete, but the researchers say they're "encouraged
and
excited" with the early results. "People with PTSD tell me their life
is so
miserable, they're willing to try anything to feel better," Brunet
said.
"I'm amazed that what seemed to be science fiction just a few years ago
is
being tested. So this is a really big move forward."



Any ideas? I know this is a lipophilic B-blocker, but is it slowing down overactivity in the HPA axis?

Give it a shot Dr. Poety 🙂

Beta blockers block the receptors for the physical effects of a person's natural fight or flight response. They are not sedatives, and they can't help anxiety of a purely psychological nature.

Beta receptors are found in a number of places in the body: heart, lung, arteries, brain and uterus, to name a few. Like a key in a lock, beta blockers chemically fit into beta receptors and prevent norepinephrine from binding to the receptors that cause the symptoms of the fight-or-flight response.

The degree of these effects depends on the dose and the individual's sensitivity to the medication. Peak effect occurs in one to one and a half hours. Ideally, this could allow a performer to play at his or her best, without the distraction or interference of excessive fight or flight symptoms.

Blocking beta receptors can cause decreased heart rate; decreased force of heart contractions; bronchoconstriction (can cause asthma attacks in people with asthma); uterine contractions; decreased blood pressure; relief of migraines; and decreased tremor.

The beta receptors found in the different areas of the body are not all the same, thus different beta blockers may affect these areas differently. For instance, metoprolol (Lopressor) and atenolol (Tenormin) are beta-1 selective, which means they block only beta-1 receptors found primarily in the heart, but not the beta-2 receptors found in the lung and uterus. Thus, they can decrease blood pressure, heart rate and force of cardiac contraction, but are less likely to cause bronchoconstriction and uterine contractions. This selectivity is not absolute and depends on the dose.

Some beta blockers enter the brain better than others. Propranolol (Inderal) crosses the blood-brain barrier particularly well. This may be why propranolol causes more central nervous system side effects, such as hallucinations, nightmares, and depression, than the beta blockers that do not cross into the brain as easily.

Interestingly, the ability of beta blockers to help anxiety seems related only to their blockade of beta receptors outside of the brain. Beta blockers will not help the emotional symptoms of stage fright (for example, sleep problems or negative inner voices).

So now you see why this would be helpful in decreasing symptoms of PTSD - did I answer your question psici? 😛 :laugh:
 
sorry, read below
 
I'm familiar with the original article (or one of them at least, with rats) that the new research and treatments are based on. In that piece rats were given propanalol, i believe, durinng a retraining episode with a fearful stimulus cue. They then seemed less able to remember it then other rats. Bt it seemed that the explanation the authors were offering was that when the memory was recalled it was placed in a volitile state in which it might not be re-encoded, especially if their brains were swimming in propanalol. It seems though that Poety, what you are suggesting is that the memory lost it's associated axiety state? So by that reasoning the rats are not responding to the fearful stimulus because it lacks it's negative valence and axnity producing association. Would that be correct? I would like to hear more discussion on this.
I certainly don't want to think that anytime a memory is recalled it is put into a state that is unstable, and might not be reencoded. If that is the case I'm never talking about anything important when I'm drunk again lest i lose it.
 
Poety, you know that does not answer my question!! 🙂 I was wondering if it is possible that because PPL is lipophilic, thus enters the CNS well that maybe it is helping prevent PTSD sx's by blocking either glucocorticoid binding in the HPA axis or something more profound than just beta-adrenergic antagonism?? In my 5 years inpatient psych I never saw much benefit using PPL, but we never tried using it post trauma to prevent PTSD/Acute SD. 50 mg does help me give presentations though???
Congrats on your doctorhood...that is really cool. Cute kid as well.
 
I think I need a psychology consult for this one.
 
Psychiatrists working in VA's and inpatient units have been using propranolol (and other off-labels such as topirimate, adjuvant nefazodone, cortisol, and others) for these and related symptoms for years. Yet only relatively recently (2004ish) did studies become available to support the empirical findings.

Look up "PTSD candidate circuit," which deals primarily with the locus ceruleus, fear circuit, and dexamethasone-suppression in PTSD. In so doing, you will see that your assertion that the hypothalamic-pituitary axis as the sole regulator of the PTSD response is being investigated, but is certainly not the sole player in the response. Further, the lipophilic property of propranolol vs. tenormin (hydrophilic) also has been investigated. The increased efficacy of propranolol in the setting of PTSD treatment suggests that its effects are not primarily autonomic stability sub-tentorially.

To complicate matters, studies have shown that medications, HPA, use of beta blockers, and other medications, along with response to various types of stressors (cognitive stress vs. actual imagery vs. gender for example) also vary considerably.

I've already developed PTSD from the sound of my beeper. I notice that other residents have it too...an exaggerated startle response when that horrible noise goes off. 🙁
 
Anasazi23 said:
Psychiatrists working in VA's and inpatient units have been using propranolol (and other off-labels such as topirimate, adjuvant nefazodone, cortisol, and others) for these and related symptoms for years. Yet only relatively recently (2004ish) did studies become available to support the empirical findings.

Look up "PTSD candidate circuit," which deals primarily with the locus ceruleus, fear circuit, and dexamethasone-suppression in PTSD. In so doing, you will see that your assertion that the hypothalamic-pituitary axis as the sole regulator of the PTSD response is being investigated, but is certainly not the sole player in the response. Further, the lipophilic property of propranolol vs. tenormin (hydrophilic) also has been investigated. The increased efficacy of propranolol in the setting of PTSD treatment suggests that its effects are not primarily autonomic stability sub-tentorially.

To complicate matters, studies have shown that medications, HPA, use of beta blockers, and other medications, along with response to various types of stressors (cognitive stress vs. actual imagery vs. gender for example) also vary considerably.

I've already developed PTSD from the sound of my beeper. I notice that other residents have it too...an exaggerated startle response when that horrible noise goes off. 🙁


uhhhhhhhh psici, I cut and paste that ok? :laugh: Leave me alone - I'm a new doctor pffffffffttttt 😛
 
Psychiatrists working in VA's and inpatient units have been using propranolol (and other off-labels such as topirimate, adjuvant nefazodone, cortisol, and others) for these and related symptoms for years. Yet only relatively recently (2004ish) did studies become available to support the empirical findings.

Look up "PTSD candidate circuit," which deals primarily with the locus ceruleus, fear circuit, and dexamethasone-suppression in PTSD. In so doing, you will see that your assertion that the hypothalamic-pituitary axis as the sole regulator of the PTSD response is being investigated, but is certainly not the sole player in the response. Further, the lipophilic property of propranolol vs. tenormin (hydrophilic) also has been investigated. The increased efficacy of propranolol in the setting of PTSD treatment suggests that its effects are not primarily autonomic stability sub-tentorially.

To complicate matters, studies have shown that medications, HPA, use of beta blockers, and other medications, along with response to various types of stressors (cognitive stress vs. actual imagery vs. gender for example) also vary considerably.

I've already developed PTSD from the sound of my beeper. I notice that other residents have it too...an exaggerated startle response when that horrible noise goes off.



Thanks for the great response anasazi...very interesting stuff. I was not intending to assert that the HPA axis is solely involved in PTSD, I know it is more complicated with the LC-amygdala involvement, related hypercortisolemia damage and even pituitary-thyroid stuff etc... I wonder why the psychiatrist I worked with inpatient was not aware of this?? She was foreign trained? You obviosly know alot about this stuff, and I would very much like to have more of these discussions both here and on the psychology thread...we can get along you know!
Personally I would like to learn from you and others. I will not even mention RxP if we can talk about neurochem/phys stuff!!!

😉
 
Oh but you didn't learn from my cut and paste? pffftttt :laugh: I see how you are now 😛
 
There's a lot of cool PTSD stuff going on. (Which I learned a bit about when I traveled around for interviews - it's not so much an area of focus at my med school.) When I interviewed at Emory, I talked to a guy who was doing a trial with D-cycloserine (which facilitates NMDA transmission in the amygdala and has been shown to enchance fear extinction in rats). They had shown that using it as an adjunct to systematic desensitization in phobic patients improved outcome, and now they're looking for ways to use it with PTSD patients. Fascinating.

Here's a short paper (pdf): Facilitation of Extinction of Conditioned Fear by D-Cycloserine
 
I wanted to correct my earlier post. The article I had read did not use propanalol, or any beta-blocker, it used arysomyacin (sp?) which is a protein synthesis blocker. Either way it seemed to block the reencoding of a fearful memory following a retrieval. It did not enhance extinction, it seemed to interfere with prior associations, not extinction. As we all know extinction is a different mechanism.
 
Anisomycin.

I remember all the hoopla surrounding this finding. Then it fizzled out quickly when they found the effect wasn't permanent. We've got good drugs that help you forget events...unfortunately you need to be taking them at the time of the experience.

That's why we use midazolam (Versed) for endoscopic procedures. Nobody wants to remember that colonoscopy.
 
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