Practicing in the UK after US residency?

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I am wondering if it is possible to work in the UK (or other EU countries for that matter) after doing a psychiatry residency and/or fellowship in the US. I'm interested in doing this eventually but have heard conflicting things about how it works. Is it necessary to repeat residency first in the UK? If anyone knows about this, I'd love to hear more!

Oh, and what about Australia?

Thanks!
 
.It may not be necessary to repeat your residency to work in UK. To be employed as a psychiatrist you would need to contact the Royal College of Psychiatry (www.rcpsych.ac.uk) and ask them if your background qualifies for recognition.

To work as a Consultant (attendee) in the NHS you need to be certified by the PMETB and hold a Certificate of Completion of Training.

If you are looking for training in UK then it might be more complicated. Training in UK is divided into basic/core specialist and higher training; during core training all residents take the membership exams. After completing at least 3 years of basic training all residents apply for higher specialization (like fellowship) in a particular sub specialty of psychiatry. This lasts for further 3 years and on completion residents are awarded a certificate of completion of training.

Since the last year it has become more difficult for oversees graduates to secure a training post in UK. A new law gives preference to British citizens for all jobs. Saying that there is a shortage of psychiatrists in UK..
 
The post above gives the right outline. Just a few details:

1). It is not just British citizens that have advantage in the current UK job market - it is citizens and permanent residents of ALL EU states. By law, the employers cannot even ask the EU citizens to prove their knowledge of English language - much less any medical credentials (so I have worked alongside an Italian nurse with pretty rough English and a Polish doc who had no idea how to manage a sickle cell crisis because he had never seen one in his life back in Poland).

2). Up until very recently (last year), the US-trained psychiatrists could quite easily have had their US credentials recognised in the UK. In fact, I heard there was a US-trained attending who did a 3-year-long stint at the Norfolk and Norwich hospital in East Anglia just for the heck of it (that was about 5 years ago, so no more details - sorry!). Unfortunately, with PMETB came many changes so currently my understanding is that you have to go through a rather complex and convoluted process to become eligible to practice as a Consultant (Attending) in the NHS. It is not impossible, just more difficult than it used to be. Having said that, who knows what they are going to do in 4 years time, when you are finished with your US residency - the Brits seem to like drop profound and unexpected changes on the heads of their unsuspecting citizens. Google MTAS and you will see for yourself.

3). Despite #1, do not despair - if you make enough money and have an advanced degree, you still could be eligible for a job in the UK through the Tier 1 General Migrant scheme (formerly known as Highly Skilled Migrant Programme). Just google it.

4). Be prepared to spend some money and money on licensure process - a friend who is going through a similar process right now tells me it costs over 1K GBP and has already taken a couple of months.

5). I would not say that core specialist training is like basic residency and higher specialist training in the UK is like fellowship training in the US. The key difference is that you can practice as an attending in Adult Psych after 4 years of residency in the US, but you still need 3 years of higher specialist training (so, 3+3 altogether) to become a consultant in the UK. The higher specialist training is NOT optional, unlike a fellowship.

6). You probably will not get a job in sought-after areas (Norfolk and Norwich area is looked down upon by locals, btw), but who knows...If you are a hot shot academic psychiatrist, you might get a place somewhere more competitive. But then, what do you want to get out of your time in the UK? Someone I know wants to spend some time in Wales (where Brits are practically bribed to come into by the UK government); that attending I referred to above (N&N) wanted some authentic English village experience - if that is what you are after, you probably will not be disappointed.

Feel free to PM me with more specific qs.
 
Liverpool--I am hoping to move to Liverpool... Or York. Are those sought after areas?

Thanks for the responses. There's really nothing I can actually do about this right now--it's a few years down the road, but I could look into possibility of electives in the UK before too long. It's helpful to get an overview of the process, so thanks again!
 
Liverpool--I am hoping to move to Liverpool... Or York. Are those sought after areas?

Thanks for the responses. There's really nothing I can actually do about this right now--it's a few years down the road, but I could look into possibility of electives in the UK before too long. It's helpful to get an overview of the process, so thanks again!

Liverpool and York are about average/slightly below average as well as desirability are concerned.

Are you going to do electives in the UK as a MS-IV or as a resident? As a resident it might be more complicated, due to the licensing process - unless you just want to be an observer.
 
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