Pre-studying, a bad idea?

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Um no, you are missing the point. Trying to develop these skills without being in med school is like trying to learn how to swim without access to a pool. You can go through the right motions and still are likely to get nothing out of it. A total waste of time. Good luck with that.
That reminds me of my first triathlon. It was only a sprint-distance, but on the swim, after about 100 meters, I realized that there was a big difference between swimming to compete and going to the lake with my buddies and a cooler full of beer. I thought I was going to drown. The following week, I hired a coach.
 
So I mentioned a desire to pre-study before starting my first semester of med school, Ie, get your books ahead of time and start reading them to get a jump on the busy semester.

This is what I have done every semester in undergrad, (sometimes I think I did it just to calm down, stop freaking out, scarred that the professor would expect us to remember everything from the past and jumpt straight to something I had never seen before) this semester I am not because of studying for MCAT.

The replies I got where unanimous, pre-studying is a bad idea.

So I thought it worthy to set up a seperate thread on this subject so we could hear from more people.

Does anyone think pre-studying is a good idea? Does anyone do it, did in it the past?

Pre-study? No, no, no, no, and last but not least, no.

Please delete this thread from its existence and then go buy a 12-pack to celebrate no longer entertaining this idea of pre-studying. Thank you.
 
Yeah. A lot of us ignored the naysayers and tried pre-studying. The consensus even amongst those who tried is that it was a total waste of time. Time that could have been better spend doing other things. But you will probably ignore us like we ignored our predecessors. Then you will be giving out the "don't bother" advice in a year. The cycle of life continues.

I echo this. I tried my hand at some anatomy in advance of first semester. Total and complete waste of time. It is just too hard to comprehend how to study for med school until you actually get in there and take your lumps like everyone else. However, once the year starts and you have your syllabus, feel free to jump in and gun yourself into a stupor. Meanwhile, enjoy your summer!
 
Everyone is different. This was most evident to me as I saw that each of my classmates had their own distinct way to study and prepare for the exams and for the boards. You're about to embark on an exciting but arduous journey that among other things will help you discern how you deal with learning large amounts of information. But that doesn't happen in a vacuum. You will be be building on what has worked in the past. Right now that includes early preparation. So I say go ahead and "pre-study" and thumb your nose at the naysayers.
 
Altho this topic has been hacked and hashed to death, I think part of the OP's point is that he wants to alleviate some anxiety. By all means, if you want to pre-study to prime your mind and make you think your helping yourself, go ahead. Just don't miss out on any fun because of it.
 
OP: My plan for the summer involved relaxing as much as possible. I had heard the old mantra about not bothering to pre-study before, and I intended to heed that advice.

BUT...

Now that orientation is just a few weeks away, however, I'm starting to feel incredibly nervous/anxious about getting my @$$ handed to me by school. So, yesterday I went to the book store, bought a cartoon anatomy atlas, (as I have absolutely 0 background in anatomy except what I covered in my MCAT review course) and started studying. I'm not stressing out about memorizing a bunch of stuff or fooling myself into thinking that I'm going to help myself when it comes down to test time, but it has helped put my mind at ease a little bit. It lets me focus on something constructive rather than obsessing about stuff I can't change.

I don't expect it will help my grades at all, but it has helped my peace of mind a little, and that's worth a lot, as I'm a nervous wreck right now!:laugh:
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If you're just hellbent on doing something, then get a subscription to NEJM and read articles that are interesting to you before bed. That's the extent of what I can consider sane.

Because I don't belong to the AMA anymore, mercifully they have stopped sending me JAMA, a journal that used to collect around the house until I instructed my wife to just toss them in the trash on the way in from picking up the mail. There is very little in JAMA or the NEJM of use to a starting medical student or even a resident. If you are interested in a detailed statistical analysis of the results and methodology of research, from the sublime to the silly, then you will enjoy journals but personally, I just wait until the recommendations make it into my specialty's textbooks or onto Uptodate, eMedicine, or one of many on-line sources.

It's not like you will be using cutting edge therapies in your day-to-day practice anyway. Your reading time would be far better spent reading the textbooks for your specialty or, in the case of medical students, review books for the subjects you are covering.

Journals serve a useful purpose and I am not knocking them. I want to get as far away from academic medicine as I can next year so this also colors my opinion. But as a source for useful knowledge for a pre-med, medical student, or resident? Complete waste of time and anyone who thinks otherwise has probably never opened the cover of NEJM or JAMA and waded through an article.

Summer reading of NEJM or JAMA?

1. Low, low, low yield.

2. You won't understand most of it anyway.

3. Mostly statistical so you need to brush up on your statistics first and maybe this will eat up most of your summer.

4. Irrelevant to a medical student except that many attendings speak journalese and you might (might) make a good impression on rounds as a Third Year.

5. Incredibly dry.

6. Shoot-yourself-in-the-head-Boring.

7. There are, by the way, no interesting articles. No such thing.
 
Because I don't belong to the AMA anymore, mercifully they have stopped sending me JAMA, a journal that used to collect around the house until I instructed my wife to just toss them in the trash on the way in from picking up the mail. There is very little in JAMA or the NEJM of use to a starting medical student or even a resident. If you are interested in a detailed statistical analysis of the results and methodology of research, from the sublime to the silly, then you will enjoy journals but personally, I just wait until the recommendations make it into my specialty's textbooks or onto Uptodate, eMedicine, or one of many on-line sources.

It's not like you will be using cutting edge therapies in your day-to-day practice anyway. Your reading time would be far better spent reading the textbooks for your specialty or, in the case of medical students, review books for the subjects you are covering.

Journals serve a useful purpose and I am not knocking them. I want to get as far away from academic medicine as I can next year so this also colors my opinion. But as a source for useful knowledge for a pre-med, medical student, or resident? Complete waste of time and anyone who thinks otherwise has probably never opened the cover of NEJM or JAMA and waded through an article.

Summer reading of NEJM or JAMA?

1. Low, low, low yield.

2. You won't understand most of it anyway.

3. Mostly statistical so you need to brush up on your statistics first and maybe this will eat up most of your summer.

4. Irrelevant to a medical student except that many attendings speak journalese and you might (might) make a good impression on rounds as a Third Year.

5. Incredibly dry.

6. Shoot-yourself-in-the-head-Boring.

7. There are, by the way, no interesting articles. No such thing.

After just a few months of JAMA, I started to reach the same conclusions. It really felt good at first to start receiving medically-related journals to read .... that is until I actually tried reading them. Huge waste of time at this point in my life. Now they are just piling up, as if someone will come over and be impressed with my huge stack of never-read journals. I do like to read some of the review periodicals at the library from time to time though, like some of the Clinics of NA series. They have some nice overviews on various topics that don't get too bogged down in stats.
 
Because I don't belong to the AMA anymore, mercifully they have stopped sending me JAMA, a journal that used to collect around the house until I instructed my wife to just toss them in the trash on the way in from picking up the mail. There is very little in JAMA or the NEJM of use to a starting medical student or even a resident. If you are interested in a detailed statistical analysis of the results and methodology of research, from the sublime to the silly, then you will enjoy journals but personally, I just wait until the recommendations make it into my specialty's textbooks or onto Uptodate, eMedicine, or one of many on-line sources.

It's not like you will be using cutting edge therapies in your day-to-day practice anyway. Your reading time would be far better spent reading the textbooks for your specialty or, in the case of medical students, review books for the subjects you are covering.

Journals serve a useful purpose and I am not knocking them. I want to get as far away from academic medicine as I can next year so this also colors my opinion. But as a source for useful knowledge for a pre-med, medical student, or resident? Complete waste of time and anyone who thinks otherwise has probably never opened the cover of NEJM or JAMA and waded through an article.

Summer reading of NEJM or JAMA?

1. Low, low, low yield.

2. You won't understand most of it anyway.

3. Mostly statistical so you need to brush up on your statistics first and maybe this will eat up most of your summer.

4. Irrelevant to a medical student except that many attendings speak journalese and you might (might) make a good impression on rounds as a Third Year.

5. Incredibly dry.

6. Shoot-yourself-in-the-head-Boring.

7. There are, by the way, no interesting articles. No such thing.

I largely agree with you Panda. After a month or two of reading NEJM I largely stopped reading it for many of the same reasons. The one thing I DO open up NEJM every once and a while for though are their clinical reviews and clinical imaging. I've found that to be a nice supplement and the way they talk through the pathophysiology and diagnostic process in terms a non-specialist can understand are pretty useful for a medical student. Those articles are only a couple pages a pop though so you can read thoroughly through them in 15 minutes or so, so it's a pretty effective use of time.
 
Maybe you should prepare for residency while you are at it.

:laugh: Awesome....I like you already...and if you read this, welcome to UM (tomorrow actually)...I'm currently an MS-3 here.


And to the OP: DON"T STUDY!!!!! Do you realize you will be spending the next 2 years studying to death?? I originally bought a book because our biochem dept told us to pre-study, I think the only thing I read was the front cover and maybe a page that I had randomly flipped to. And I'm glad, bc it would have done absolutely NOTHING in the long run. You will be so gung-ho about studying after the first day of lecture, do it then, you will have plenty of time to learn the material. Enjoy your time off, enjoy the new city you might be moving to, enjoy your family bc you'll probably see them less and less as the years roll by, enjoy drinking and hanging out with friends without feeling guilty that you aren't studying. Med school is fun and alot of work, often times you get bogged down with the work that you forget about all the fun that you've also had, so enjoy life to the fullest each day that you are in med school and remember to be able to know when to set the work aside and enjoy life (now being one of those times!)
 
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off topic... but didn't want to start a thread.

what percentage of people in a typical class in a typical school get As Bs Cs etc.? I have to maintain a certain GPA to qualify for reduced tuition, and I have no clue what the grades are like.
 
Trying to pre-study for medical school is like trying to prepare for a date by taking yourself to dinner and a movie while talking to yourself all evening long. While it makes sense to do some planning, you can't script this kind of thing; it's a complete waste of time.

In medical school, you are going to be memorizing lists of stuff (name 7 substances you find in a platelet and which one is likely defective if patient has symptoms X, Y, and Z) and buzzwords. You have no idea what your prof is going to want you to know. You could have your anatomy down pat and still do poorly in anatomy because you don't know the professor's favorite case presentations and don't know how to orient yourself on a badly dried out cadaver section that has key landmarks removed. The review books are nice, but they don't get you much beyond a passing grade, at least at my school. You really need to know the details of the course your are taking and the exam might not even be based to any significant extent on the textbook or whatever you have on the official reading list. The textbook might even be picked by a committee over the objections of the professor. There is the official plan and then there is what you need to know to get a top grade ....

As far as grade distributions go for MS1 at my school, I get the impression they target (in very rough numbers) about 10-30% A's (honors), 1/3 B's (high pass), and 1/3 C's (pass) with a handful of marginals / failures (essentially D's and F's). It varies though; some courses might have 60%+ A's (a class where they don't have many "weed-out" questions or a prof who teaches you very well and then pretty much tests you exactly on what you were taught and know well) whereas others might have less A's and more failures than usual (in which case they might grade more leniently so that not as many people fail because they don't want 25 people in remedial action). At my school they curve across years, so if your class does better than the previous classes, you'll have more A's, for example (our class has been doing well supposedly). So, if by chance, your school is similar to mine, you and your fellow matriculants will be distributed more or less evenly across the grading scale A-C with a few people struggling below that.
 
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Trying to pre-study for medical school is like trying to prepare for a date by taking yourself to dinner and a movie while talking to yourself all evening long.

I think I might try that. 😳😛
 
You could have your anatomy down pat and still do poorly in anatomy because you don't know the professor's favorite case presentations and don't know how to orient yourself on a badly dried out cadaver section that has key landmarks removed. The review books are nice, but they don't get you much beyond a passing grade, at least at my school. You really need to know the details of the course your are taking and the exam might not even be based to any significant extent on the textbook or whatever you have on the official reading list. The textbook might even be picked by a committee over the objections of the professor. There is the official plan and then there is what you need to know to get a top grade ....

sounds like you are going a little bit overboard here. the review books may only get you a passing grade in your particular school, but that doesn't mean that they are worthless. the general consensus is that if you know first aid inside and out, and supplement with a few choice review books, you can really smoke step 1 with that information. in fact, there really ought to be a fairly good amount of overlap between you school's curriculum and the review books at large (granted not all review books are created equally, but the review books at large are purposed to help medical students do well on step 1, correct?), and if there is hardly any overlap, then your school obviously isn't doing all that great of a job preparing you for step 1 style questions, and it is even more imperative that you study some usmle style review books/questions along with whatever irrelevent minutae you particular professor requires you to memorize. or am i just crazy?

theoretically, if a person were to memorize first aid before they started ms1, they would have an incredible amount of information relevent for step 1. of course, this isn't really practical, seeing as how you wouldn't have any context to help facilitate the understanding of the myriad of lists of factoids. nonetheless, if a person were to kill themselves during the last summer of their old life memorizing first aid, although the payoff would be relatively low compared to using first aid throughout ms1/2 and it would be regrettable to blow your last summer in such a dumb way, it wouldn't be totally useless.

finally, i don't understand how you could have your anatomy 'down pat' and still do poorly in anatomy. does 'down pat' mean that you know the layout of the whole human body? if so, you would have to be pretty dumb to not study according to your professor's style if your 'down pat' anatomy knowledge was different from your professors... which would also be pretty weird, because aren't all bodies pretty close in organization? i'm just askin.
 
finally, i don't understand how you could have your anatomy 'down pat' and still do poorly in anatomy. does 'down pat' mean that you know the layout of the whole human body? if so, you would have to be pretty dumb to not study according to your professor's style if your 'down pat' anatomy knowledge was different from your professors... which would also be pretty weird, because aren't all bodies pretty close in organization? i'm just askin.

Trust me, it can be done. 🙁 When I would go in the lab with my tutor or my study group, I knew it cold. However, when they pull out an artery to tag and cover the landmarks around it (say, draping the entire upper body), it gets difficult. The subclavian artery becomes the axillary, axillary becomes the brachial at the lower edge of pectorialis major. If you resect pectoralis major and remove it from view, how can you definitively say that the tagged millimeter of artery is brachial or axillary?😕
 
finally, i don't understand how you could have your anatomy 'down pat' and still do poorly in anatomy. does 'down pat' mean that you know the layout of the whole human body? if so, you would have to be pretty dumb to not study according to your professor's style if your 'down pat' anatomy knowledge was different from your professors... which would also be pretty weird, because aren't all bodies pretty close in organization? i'm just askin.

It can be possible. Just because you know where everything is "supposed to be" doesn't mean you'll be able to point it out in any cadaver. There's plenty of variation between cadavers on practicals and the only true ways of figuring out what you have is to trace out what you have (if you have an artery or nerve), know your relationships, and just have that instinct you develop from mucking around in your cadaver(s).
 
sounds like you are going a little bit overboard here. the review books may only get you a passing grade in your particular school, but that doesn't mean that they are worthless.

No, they aren't worthless at all. Passing is a good thing. However, for someone to pre-study, I would think that person is aiming for more than passing (that's my impression anyway). I do recommend review books and they have many important "high yield facts", but I personally find them to be inadequate and in some cases "useless" for some of my classes because those facts might be the very simplest questions or not be covered at all in a particular course.

the general consensus is that if you know first aid inside and out, and supplement with a few choice review books, you can really smoke step 1 with that information.

First Aid is good. I'm just not sure that reading First Aid before going to medical school is going to help most people. I find I can read a First Aid chapter very very quickly when I'm preparing for an exam because I have already studied that material previously. If you effortlessly memorize everything you read no matter what it is, then go for it. Read all the textbooks the summer before and then just perfect your knowledge during the year. Most people can't do that effectively.

in fact, there really ought to be a fairly good amount of overlap between you school's curriculum and the review books at large (granted not all review books are created equally, but the review books at large are purposed to help medical students do well on step 1, correct?), and if there is hardly any overlap, then your school obviously isn't doing all that great of a job preparing you for step 1 style questions, and it is even more imperative that you study some usmle style review books/questions along with whatever irrelevent minutae you particular professor requires you to memorize. or am i just crazy?

There is a fair amount of overlap and if you know the stuff in the review books ... that will help you. The USMLE type questions are more or less the basic ones that everyeone in the class should be getting. Those tend not be be the weed-out questions. We need to know more if you want to get the equivalent of an A; that's all. If your goal is to pass, there is simply no need to pre-study at all. As stated above, if you are a strong student, you will do fine. If you are a weak student, you won't be able to pre-study effectively. In the review books, sometimes the information is out of date (we are expected to know certain updated information). Sometimes it covers certain subjects very poorly or incompletely. If the review books were adequate, schools would be using them as textbooks. Our school has a very high STEP average. That said, if you are very restless and simply must beat your fists into the wind and find that therapeutic, then by all means, try to memorize First Aid, Robbins, Costanza, Moore, and all that. I just don't think an incoming pre-med could do that very effectively and would have a miniscule advantage.

theoretically, if a person were to memorize first aid before they started ms1, they would have an incredible amount of information relevent for step 1. of course, this isn't really practical, seeing as how you wouldn't have any context to help facilitate the understanding of the myriad of lists of factoids. nonetheless, if a person were to kill themselves during the last summer of their old life memorizing first aid, although the payoff would be relatively low compared to using first aid throughout ms1/2 and it would be regrettable to blow your last summer in such a dumb way, it wouldn't be totally useless.

True, it wouldn't be totally useless. Mopping a gym floor with a small toothbrush also isn't totally useless even though it would take a month to do what your average janitor could do in an hour or two. However, most people would not consider a month or two of effort to get a few days of knowledge to be a good use of anyone's time. This is especially true because the biggest problem in medical school is not inability to learn but burnout. If you are busting you tail before medical school, you might increase your chances of burn-out and doing more poorly. If you really enjoy reading First Aid, Robbins, Costanza, Moore, you will learn something. However, don't do it because you think it will take the edge off medical school, because it won't.

I love books and love what I'm learning in medical school. Learning is a good thing and it would be beneficial to read what you are interested in. However, I haven't met anyone who enjoys reading these books (First Aid, etc.) for fun (although I'm sure there are some out there). I enjoy reading them if I am reviewing or have a specific question or am doing research on something related to the textbook material. I don't just read these books cover to cover unless I'm studying for a test and I would say I'm one of the people who maybe likes the material more than average (although that doesn't make it easier for me, necessarily).


finally, i don't understand how you could have your anatomy 'down pat' and still do poorly in anatomy. does 'down pat' mean that you know the layout of the whole human body? if so, you would have to be pretty dumb to not study according to your professor's style if your 'down pat' anatomy knowledge was different from your professors... which would also be pretty weird, because aren't all bodies pretty close in organization? i'm just askin.

You don't prepare for a marathon by running marathons every day or by just practicing on your own without having any experience with competitive running. There is a method to the madness and it's hard to know how to train without knowing the exact path of your courses, how fast your competition will be, and without a competent trainer. Studying in medical school is different from studing in undergrad and just guessing about how to approach it won't get you very far. There is a lot more to anatomy than just being able to identify nerves, arteries, and muscles, etc. Also, your instructor may want you to know every detail in a certain part of the anatomy (including maybe the embryological development and origins) whereas a text or review book might only cover concepts. Similarly, a text might cover every detail of another subject (every named artery and vein in the brain) whereas your instructor only wants you to know the concepts and key features because you'll get the details in a different course later on, perhaps (neuro).

Anatomy professors have devised ways of making the material more difficult and to spread the grades out. You might know a muscle, its nerve, its blood supply and forget the precise attachment relative to other muscles in the immediate area and miss a question related to that. Everyone getting an "A" is not what medical schools are aiming for. They want a distribution of grades so that they can identify the strongest students. Think of it this way .. it's a race and your school wants to know who the fastest runners are so that they can make them AOA, give them the best recommendations for residency, etc. They also want the class overall to come out competent and represent the school well.

Most medical students will pass MS1; that's not the issue. When it comes to spreading out the grades, most medical schools increase the complexity and number of questions on the exams until they get a nice bell curve of grades with a few people at the very top, a few people failing, and everyone else smoothly distributed between that with a nice hump around an average grade of "B". Pre-studying for one summer before isn't going to leapfrog a student any more than self-training for a marathon for one summer prior to a marathon running "season" would suddenly help you outperform an Olympic marathon runner or really accomplish much when you will be going through a very rigorous training anyway. They don't expect you to pre-study, so don't waste your time. On the flip side of preparing poorly, you might even get bored as the class goes through material you know and then fail to pay attention to certain new details that will be on the exam ... thinking you know that part already.

If you know your anatomy well, you should be in good shape for learning MS1 anatomy. It helps. However, there will be people in your class who can learn the material very quickly and could outperform you on exams even though you started studying in the summer. The profs might show you a blurry overexposed X-ray from 1972 with something circled and ask what the symptoms of this defect are. There might be 3 or 4 different defects that could look similar to the defect circled in that location and you need to have some sense as to what the professor might be asking because a textbook and even less so, a review book, are not going to give you any clues as to which of the possible defects it is. You aren't going to fail the course if you don't know that particular defect, but you might get a "B" instead of an "A" thanks to missing questions like that. Knowing your anatomy will help you learn the material. You really can't get much of a running start into medical school except by developing good study habits, building up your memorization skills, and acquiring a nice fund of knowledge in your undergrad years. It's not the kind of thing were a few weeks of pre-study will make much of a difference at all.

Finally, I would say that many people really would find it difficult to cover the material as quickly as when they are taking a class where the is a certain amount of pressure to make a good grade and keep up with your peers. It's a rare bird who can memorize volumes of material without the pressure of keeping up in a class or a pending exam. The stress and competition of medical school is hard to replicate in self-study. Even with that pressure, most people wait until a week or two before the exam before they really go all-out in studying. You would need to have excellent self-discipline, a lot of information from former MS1 students at your school about what to study, and maybe a tutor for it to be effective. Considering that MS1 grades are probably among the least important and simplest med-school material, you probably won't find many MS2+'s who would encourage you to pre-study for MS1. One of the keys to success in medical school is efficiency and some semblance of balance between personal life and study; pre-studying for MS1 smacks of inefficiency and costs personal free-time that is very precious and progressively rare as you go through medical training.
 
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No, they aren't worthless at all. Passing is a good thing. However, for someone to pre-study, I would think that person is aiming for more than passing (that's my impression anyway). I do recommend review books and they have many important "high yield facts", but I personally find them to be inadequate and in some cases "useless" for some of my classes because those facts might be the very simplest questions or not be covered at all in a particular course.



First Aid is good. I'm just not sure that reading First Aid before going to medical school is going to help most people. I find I can read a First Aid chapter very very quickly when I'm preparing for an exam because I have already studied that material previously. If you effortlessly memorize everything you read no matter what it is, then go for it. Read all the textbooks the summer before and then just perfect your knowledge during the year. Most people can't do that effectively.



There is a fair amount of overlap and if you know the stuff in the review books ... that will help you. The USMLE type questions are more or less the basic ones that everyeone in the class should be getting. Those tend not be be the weed-out questions. We need to know more if you want to get the equivalent of an A; that's all. If your goal is to pass, there is simply no need to pre-study at all. As stated above, if you are a strong student, you will do fine. If you are a weak student, you won't be able to pre-study effectively. In the review books, sometimes the information is out of date (we are expected to know certain updated information). Sometimes it covers certain subjects very poorly or incompletely. If the review books were adequate, schools would be using them as textbooks. Our school has a very high STEP average. That said, if you are very restless and simply must beat your fists into the wind and find that therapeutic, then by all means, try to memorize First Aid, Robbins, Costanza, Moore, and all that. I just don't think an incoming pre-med could do that very effectively and would have a miniscule advantage.



True, it wouldn't be totally useless. Mopping a gym floor with a small toothbrush also isn't totally useless even though it would take a month to do what your average janitor could do in an hour or two. However, most people would not consider a month or two of effort to get a few days of knowledge to be a good use of anyone's time. This is especially true because the biggest problem in medical school is not inability to learn but burnout. If you are busting you tail before medical school, you might increase your chances of burn-out and doing more poorly. If you really enjoy reading First Aid, Robbins, Costanza, Moore, you will learn something. However, don't do it because you think it will take the edge off medical school, because it won't.

I love books and love what I'm learning in medical school. Learning is a good thing and it would be beneficial to read what you are interested in. However, I haven't met anyone who enjoys reading these books (First Aid, etc.) for fun (although I'm sure there are some out there). I enjoy reading them if I am reviewing or have a specific question or am doing research on something related to the textbook material. I don't just read these books cover to cover unless I'm studying for a test and I would say I'm one of the people who maybe likes the material more than average (although that doesn't make it easier for me, necessarily).




You don't prepare for a marathon by running marathons every day or by just practicing on your own without having any experience with competitive running. There is a method to the madness and it's hard to know how to train without knowing the exact path of your courses, how fast your competition will be, and without a competent trainer. Studying in medical school is different from studing in undergrad and just guessing about how to approach it won't get you very far. There is a lot more to anatomy than just being able to identify nerves, arteries, and muscles, etc. Also, your instructor may want you to know every detail in a certain part of the anatomy (including maybe the embryological development and origins) whereas a text or review book might only cover concepts. Similarly, a text might cover every detail of another subject (every named artery and vein in the brain) whereas your instructor only wants you to know the concepts and key features because you'll get the details in a different course later on, perhaps (neuro).

Anatomy professors have devised ways of making the material more difficult and to spread the grades out. You might know a muscle, its nerve, its blood supply and forget the precise attachment relative to other muscles in the immediate area and miss a question related to that. Everyone getting an "A" is not what medical schools are aiming for. They want a distribution of grades so that they can identify the strongest students. Think of it this way .. it's a race and your school wants to know who the fastest runners are so that they can make them AOA, give them the best recommendations for residency, etc. They also want the class overall to come out competent and represent the school well.

Most medical students will pass MS1; that's not the issue. When it comes to spreading out the grades, most medical schools increase the complexity and number of questions on the exams until they get a nice bell curve of grades with a few people at the very top, a few people failing, and everyone else smoothly distributed between that with a nice hump around an average grade of "B". Pre-studying for one summer before isn't going to leapfrog a student any more than self-training for a marathon for one summer prior to a marathon running "season" would suddenly help you outperform an Olympic marathon runner or really accomplish much when you will be going through a very rigorous training anyway. They don't expect you to pre-study, so don't waste your time. On the flip side of preparing poorly, you might even get bored as the class goes through material you know and then fail to pay attention to certain new details that will be on the exam ... thinking you know that part already.

If you know your anatomy well, you should be in good shape for learning MS1 anatomy. It helps. However, there will be people in your class who can learn the material very quickly and could outperform you on exams even though you started studying in the summer. The profs might show you a blurry overexposed X-ray from 1972 with something circled and ask what the symptoms of this defect are. There might be 3 or 4 different defects that could look similar to the defect circled in that location and you need to have some sense as to what the professor might be asking because a textbook and even less so, a review book, are not going to give you any clues as to which of the possible defects it is. You aren't going to fail the course if you don't know that particular defect, but you might get a "B" instead of an "A" thanks to missing questions like that. Knowing your anatomy will help you learn the material. You really can't get much of a running start into medical school except by developing good study habits, building up your memorization skills, and acquiring a nice fund of knowledge in your undergrad years. It's not the kind of thing were a few weeks of pre-study will make much of a difference at all.

Finally, I would say that many people really would find it difficult to cover the material as quickly as when they are taking a class where the is a certain amount of pressure to make a good grade and keep up with your peers. It's a rare bird who can memorize volumes of material without the pressure of keeping up in a class or a pending exam. The stress and competition of medical school is hard to replicate in self-study. Even with that pressure, most people wait until a week or two before the exam before they really go all-out in studying. You would need to have excellent self-discipline, a lot of information from former MS1 students at your school about what to study, and maybe a tutor for it to be effective. Considering that MS1 grades are probably among the least important and simplest med-school material, you probably won't find many MS2+'s who would encourage you to pre-study for MS1. One of the keys to success in medical school is efficiency and some semblance of balance between personal life and study; pre-studying for MS1 smacks of inefficiency and costs personal free-time that is very precious and progressively rare as you go through medical training.
I'm just curious. How long does it take you to write a post like this?
 
holy crap, oncocap

i think you overdid it again. well at least it suggests that you are an overachiever. hey, re-read my last 2 posts and you'll see that you very circumlocutiously restated my main point:

pre-studying for ms1, although not completely worthless, is probably very low yield for most people, and although it is incredibly important to enjoy your summer, a little leisurely pre-studying (if and only if it is low stress and enjoyable), not only won't kill you, but may actually relieve some anxiety and you will probably learn a couple of facts to boot.


heck, the only reason i'm posting on this subject is because 99% of the posters here are hardcore "DON"T PRE-STUDY!!! IT AIN"T WORTH IT!!!" folks and i just don't fully agree. as long as you realize that pre-studying isn't going to make much difference in the grand scheme of things, what the hell, spend a couple of hours being intrigued by ms1 material.

oncocap makes a good point, though: it's not exactly the most efficient studying you'll ever do - like scrubbing the gym floor with a toothbrush.
 
when they pull out an artery to tag and cover the landmarks around it (say, draping the entire upper body), it gets difficult. The subclavian artery becomes the axillary, axillary becomes the brachial at the lower edge of pectorialis major. If you resect pectoralis major and remove it from view, how can you definitively say that the tagged millimeter of artery is brachial or axillary?😕

dang the way you describe it, it sounds like your anatomy profs are pretty much just trying to screw you. that really sucks - our profs aren't exactly pushovers, but their agenda is to teach us anatomy, not make us fail exams (although some people do) by making cadaver tests subjective and impossible.

oh well, i'm glad i'm done having to go into that horrible stench-filled room. cadaver lab was one of my least favorite parts of ms1.
 
Pre-study? No, no, no, no, and last but not least, no.

Please delete this thread from its existence and then go buy a 12-pack to celebrate no longer entertaining this idea of pre-studying. Thank you.

Now THERE'S some good advice!! 😀
 
I've memorized all human anatomy, and every word in First Aid. Where do I go from here?
 
I've memorized all human anatomy, and every word in First Aid. Where do I go from here?

Well, you're so in luck. Now that you have that out of the way, you can have fun with a few bonus questions to quickly review a couple of blood supply problems on everyone's favorite special organ before you memorize Robbins. :laugh:

Here is your first question:

Uveal metastasis can be confused with uveal melanoma. Embolic malignant cells reach the globe by means of the ... Choose the best answer.

(A) Short posterior ciliary arteries.
(B) Long posterior ciliary arteries.
(C) Ophthalmic artery.
(D) All of the above (A), (B), (C).
(E) None of the above.

Answer: (A) short posterior ciliary arteries.

Essay Question: Draw and describe the nerve and blood supply to the eye and all associated muscles and glands. Be sure to indicate the names of the foramina through which the nerves and arteries pass.

And the fun just does not end there. Of course not:

What is/are the embryologic origin(s) of the retina? Choose the best answer.

(A) Neural crest cells
(B) Neuroectoderm
(C) Mesoderm
(D) All of the above
(E) None of the above

Answer: (B) Neuroectoderm (of the forebrain)

And, now that we are on a roll ...

The most common sources of secondary tumor within the eye are ...

(A) Breast
(B) Lung
(C) Renal
(D) Skin
(E) None of the above
(F) A & D
(G) A & B
(H) A, B, C, and D.

Answer: (G) Breast and Lung.

Source: MD Consult

Happy reading and memorizing!:luck:
 
What is/are the embryologic origin(s) of the retina? Choose the best answer.

(A) Neural crest cells
(B) Neuroectoderm
(C) Mesoderm
(D) All of the above
(E) None of the above

Answer: (B) Neuroectoderm (of the forebrain)


Wow, so undergrad embryology wasn't a total waste... do we really have to know that crap again?
 
So I mentioned a desire to pre-study before starting my first semester of med school, Ie, get your books ahead of time and start reading them to get a jump on the busy semester.

This is what I have done every semester in undergrad, (sometimes I think I did it just to calm down, stop freaking out, scarred that the professor would expect us to remember everything from the past and jumpt straight to something I had never seen before) this semester I am not because of studying for MCAT.

The replies I got where unanimous, pre-studying is a bad idea.

So I thought it worthy to set up a seperate thread on this subject so we could hear from more people.


Does anyone think pre-studying is a good idea? Does anyone do it, did in it the past?

First off
How many months do you have before school starts? To be the least bit effective and I stress least, you'll probably need at least 2 months (in your case more, I'll explain later).

If this is so you can dominate, do what you got to do.
If this is just to pass, it won't help.

Now, I have to address this pre-reading for undergrad.
You're joking right?
I don't mean to scare you but That kind of study habit is the worst thing that you could have ever done for med school.
I'm sure you did outstanding in all your classes, but you trained yourself to do it with an insane amount of time at your disposal.
You will never see that kind of time again.
You've heard the expression ..it's like drinking water from a fire hose, right?
Everyone who perfected their crammin skills in undergrad will probably have a step up on you. Because they will put those cramming skills to use everyday, studying effectively and effeciently.
Maybe you should pre-read, at least so you won't get blown out of the water.


No one ever knows if he is joking or not. Maybe both. Maybe none. But honestly, can you take that chance?
 
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