Prescribing psychologists.. are you out there?

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Hi, I’ve recently posted a recent thread in this forum area, and would love to hear how your job is, what made you pursue this route vs. other career routes, and the salary potential/autonomy. I do not come across a lot of prescribing psychologists but I am possibly interested in pursuing this career area. Would love to hear from folks that identify as one. Or anyone who may know one!

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There's only about 175 across the whole country, so you may have a hard time finding some according to this wikipedia article, which also shows there's pretty much no growth since earlier figures cited in the research.
 
There's only about 175 across the whole country, so you may have a hard time finding some according to this wikipedia article, which also shows there's pretty much no growth since earlier figures cited in the research.

Interesting article. Weird that they never mentioned:

1) The APA designation (ie approval/accreditation) process of MSCP programs, which happened in 2015.

2) The APAs defining the Curriculum in 2009. Kinda weird that they can cite a 2011 something but not that.

3) The APA recognizing psychopharmacology as a speciality in 2020.

4) ASPPB taking over the PEP, and renorming it.

5) IL getting their first 2 prescribing psychologists, ID getting their first 2. There being an absolute minimum of 15 prescribing psychologists in the DoD. IHS having several more. Like 60-70 in NM. 100-130 in LA. (Linda &McGrath, 2017).

doesn’t sound like “no growth” to me.
 
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Interesting article. Weird that they never mentioned:

1) The APA designation (ie approval/accreditation) process of MSCP programs, which happened in 2015.

2) The APAs defining the Curriculum in 2009. Kinda weird that they can cite a 2011 something but not that.

3) The APA recognizing psychopharmacology as a speciality in 2020.

4) ASPPB taking over the PEP, and renorming it.

5) IL getting their first 2 prescribing psychologists, ID getting their first 2. There being an absolute minimum of 15 prescribing psychologists in the DoD. IHS having several more. Like 60-70 in NM. 100-130 in LA. (Linda &McGrath, 2017).

doesn’t sound like “no growth” to me.
I definetly think that there has been growth! I’ve considered psychiatry too but I’m kinda stuck on which to pursue. Prescribing psychologists are definitely going to be needed.
 
I lived for quite a time in a prescribing state and have known several prescribing psychologists. I may be able to answer some limited questions that I learned about their training.
 
I did the training, but never sat for the final PEP exam. I originally went into it to enhance my clinical & research work, and as a fallback plan in case I got bored w neuropsych. I figured I'd get licensed, but I was slammed trying to climb the ladder at my AMC and never got back around to taking the PEP.

Over the past 6-8yrs I've been recruited a few times to prescribing positions and had a place pitch me on a job that was close enough to a bordering prescribing state, but it wasn't worth the hassle. I figured out that I could do forensic/expert witness work and make more $/hr. I thought maybe I'd do med management just for my patients, but if I kept a med management caseload, I'd need to setup backup coverage and deal with patients bugging me during off hours for refills. The more I saw the day to day work, the less I wanted to do 30-45min intakes w 15-20min med checks.

After going through the psych RXP training and comparing it to NP programs and psychiatry training, it was pretty clear the best path would have been psychiatry. The psych RxP training was all in-person (v. online like the programs now), which was great....but the additional IM and other rotations required for psychiatry would have really helped. Also, physician licensure is ridiculously broad and quite difficult to lose once you complete licensure.

If you know you want to prescribe as part of your clinical practice, go into psychiatry or become a psychiatric NP.
 
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I did the training, but never sat for the final PEP exam. I originally went into it to enhance my clinical & research work, and as a fallback plan in case I got bored w neuropsych. I figured I'd get licensed, but I was slammed trying to climb the ladder at my AMC and never got back around to taking the PEP.

Over the past 6-8yrs I've been recruited a few times to prescribing positions and had a place pitch me on a job that was close enough to a bordering prescribing state, but it wasn't worth the hassle. I figured out that I could do forensic/expert witness work and make more $/hr. I thought maybe I'd do med management just for my patients, but if I kept a med management caseload, I'd need to setup backup coverage and deal with patients bugging me during off hours for refills. The more I saw the day to day work, the less I wanted to do 30-45min intakes w 15-20min med checks.

After going through the psych RXP training and comparing it to NP programs and psychiatry training, it was pretty clear the best path would have been psychiatry. The psych RxP training was all in-person (v. online like the programs now), which was great....but the additional IM and other rotations required for psychiatry would have really helped. Also, physician licensure is ridiculously broad and quite difficult to lose once you complete licensure.

If you know you want to prescribe as part of your clinical practice, go into psychiatry or become a psychiatric NP.
Thanks for your advice. It truly does help. I just want the ability to provide multiple tools to patients. I have strongly considered becoming a physician and specializing in psychiatry. It is still something I think about often. I originally wanted to be a clinical psychologist but then realized I wanted the autonomy to help more.
 
Therapy can definitely involve multiple tools! There is a lot of variety in interventions and clinical folks develop the expertise to not just use various different tools but to know when to use which ones and with whom. As for medications, care is often provided via a team-based approach - so collaboration between prescribing and non-prescribing providers is common. It sounds like you're early in your learning journey and asking amazing questions around how to best help people. It is admirable and I hope you keep it up.
 
Therapy can definitely involve multiple tools! There is a lot of variety in interventions and clinical folks develop the expertise to not just use various different tools but to know when to use which ones and with whom. As for medications, care is often provided via a team-based approach - so collaboration between prescribing and non-prescribing providers is common. It sounds like you're early in your learning journey and asking amazing questions around how to best help people. It is admirable and I hope you keep it up.
Thank you for your kind words! I definitely am still trying to learn about the different options. Yeah salary is important but I truthfully just want to help people to the best of my ability. I appreciate your response. Do you identify as a mental health provider? &I LOVE therapy. I just know some people need more than that. So that’s where I get stuck. I love having all the tools to help my Future patients.
 
FWIW, in my experience I find it very rewarding to work as part of an interdisciplinary team (e.g. behavioral medicine, geriatrics, serious mental illness, or inpatient psych settings) in terms of “having all the tools to help my patients.” I need to know a good amount about medicine and psychopharmacology to function effectively in those settings, which is fun for me. But I defer to the people who had specialized training in medication management, while they defer to psychology when it comes to therapy/psych assessment/other psychological considerations. SW brings expertise in case management and coordinating resources, other professionals (AuD, SLP, OT, PT, pharmD, respiratory therapist, internal med MD, dietitian, etc.) have expertise in their area of training... No way I’d be able to provide a patient that level of care alone, even with extra certifications and trainings.

There’s also a lot of isolation and pressure in being the only treating clinician, without being able to have colleagues who see different perspectives on the patient so we can bounce ideas off each other and discuss at case conference.

I wouldn’t want to be a prescribing psychologist for that reason, even if I could (and I love learning about psychopharmacology). Further, most of our patients won’t JUST be taking psych meds - depending on the population, patients are commonly on a ton of meds for their other medical conditions that need to be considered in prescribing. For example, some psych meds can cause long QTc, lower seizure threshold, or cause hyper/hypotension or delirium in conjunction with other meds or medical conditions. Responsible prescribing gets complicated pretty quickly especially for medically complex patients. Conversely, low-risk, uncomplicated prescribing of the type that prescribing psychologists would be better suited for - e.g. initial SSRI trial in an otherwise healthy adult - can generally be handled by their PCP (though I do see a lot of folks limping along on a tiny subtherapeutic dose of an antidepressant on that side...)

Similarly, some psychiatric residencies seem to have good training in therapy but it varies a ton (there was a previous thread on this...) A psychologist will generally have much more experience - higher numbers of f2f therapy/assessment hours, cases, and supervision - in it than a psychiatrist.

so yeah tl;dr - I feel like I can best serve my patients by not thinking I’m the only person who can. If prescribing privileges are most important to you, go with Psychiatry. If providing high quality therapy and/or assessment are most important to you, go with Psychology.
 
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Oh, and another thing to consider:

psychiatry MD/DO = higher earning potential but major med school debt

clinical psychology PhD = lower earning potential but any reputable program will be funded; very possible to take on NO additional debt for grad school
 
@mmiller45 I'm glad to hear your enthusiasm. I identify as a student like you. I'm applying to clinical science phds currently and have done both research and clinical practice with a master's degree. A perspective I might offer you - take your time finding your path. I recognize a lot of students in/near undergrad have a kind of urgency to know what they want to do for the rest of their lives and to make those big grad school/ life career decisions. Not really necessary nor, in my opinion, will result in the most satisfied therapists/psychologists/psychiatrists etc in my opinion. Though I was interested in clinical psyc 10 years ago in the thick of the college psych dept, I was really quite naive as to what it's really about and how I fit in to the field. After working in different capacities in various pockets of the field, not only do I know the field better but I know myself better and am much happier with my direction. Lot's of options ahead of you.
 
&I LOVE therapy. I just know some people need more than that. So that’s where I get stuck. I love having all the tools to help my Future patients.
Then get extremely good at what you can do (therapy? Rx?), get knowledgable and stay up to date on research on related things that you don't provide, and develop a strong network of other providers who do those things - either as an interdisciplinary team, or people you can refer to and help facilitate the referral because that's where a lot of lower SES folks or people with language barriers run into difficulty. But it's pretty hard to be an expert at everything and chances are no matter what you do you will end up making referrals to other specialists. Study and do whatever modality is the most interesting and fun for you day to day and hone your skills as much as you can- and know enough to connect with legitimately strong providers in other areas for the rest- and you'll be serving your clients well.
 
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