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[markytwain]

I am curious about how a medical school would be able find out if someone omitted a college/colleges in the schools previously attended portion of someone's application. I don't see how this would be possible. In addition, if this was to be caught, would it happen during the verification process?

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[Concubine]

cheat did you? If not, then I apologize and will offer my best response. If they found out, I'm sure their would be serious consiquences. If they don't find out, the person would have to live with the guilt of lying on their application to get into med school. I personally would not want to be the classmate of someone that got into medical school under false pretenses.

 

[markytwain]

Just trying to understand how they would find out.

 

[alwaysaangel]

I am curious about how a medical school would be able find out if someone omitted a college/colleges in the schools previously attended portion of someone's application. I don't see how this would be possible. In addition, if this was to be caught, would it happen during the verification process?

Some people around here claim there is some nationwide database listing schools you've registered at. They SWEAR they know it exists. I have never seen any proof of that, and can't imagine why anyone would bother to make that sort of database - but do you really want to risk it?

Its possible if they did a thorough background check it could pop up that you'd attended somewhere else. But also unlikely.

So realistically - its unlikely you'd get caught. But is it worth the risk?

Also, if you ever submitted your old grades to your new school then they show up as transfer credit on that transcript. So don't be a ***** and try to lie about classes that are showing up on your new transcript.

 

[drizzt3117]

Also, obviously if you ever received financial aid of any type, it would show up.

 

[jochi1543]

Some people around here claim there is some nationwide database listing schools you've registered at. They SWEAR they know it exists. I have never seen any proof of that, and can't imagine why anyone would bother to make that sort of database - but do you really want to risk it?.

There is, I believe it's called National Student Clearinghouse, I've been to that website personally. I think it's for verification of degrees of job applicants and the like.

 

[alwaysaangel]

There is, I believe it's called National Student Clearinghouse, I've been to that website personally. I think it's for verification of degrees of job applicants and the like.

Yeah but that website wouldn't be useful for purposes of finding a school that a student DIDN'T report. I just clicked around it. You pay for a report by a given school. You don't search a students name and come up with all the schools the student attended.

 

[markytwain]

Does anyone know if a medical schoo, with this service, can click in a SSN and see a complete enrollment history for a student?

 

[Yourmother]

YES,

THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED 1,000,000 TIMES

THERE IS A NATIONAL CLEARINGHOUSE AND THE MAJORITY OF SCHOOL SUBSCRIBE TO IT.....WE LIVE IN THE ERA OF TECHNOLOGY...DO YOU THINK MEDICAL SCHOOLS WOULD BE SO STUPID?

Go ahead, hide your transcripts and just wait and see what happens

 

[Yourmother]

I am curious about how a medical school would be able find out if someone omitted a college/colleges in the schools previously attended portion of someone's application. I don't see how this would be possible. In addition, if this was to be caught, would it happen during the verification process?

what would happen? thats easy....your dishonest, your out.

 

[Rotinaj]

Even if your grades were horrible before, if you've shown a trend of improvement, or if you've done well enough at another college after screwing up, you have a good chance of getting in.

BTW, I had no clue they had a national registry.😱 Big brother knows all.

 

[Yourmother]

http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/colleges/default.htm


WELCOME TO 21st CENTURY TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!

THERE IS NO PLACE TO HIDE


Go ahead, take a tour my darling........and this is only ONE service that offers this. They are far from a monopoly, there are private services that offer the same.

 

[Yourmother]

Yeah but that website wouldn't be useful for purposes of finding a school that a student DIDN'T report. I just clicked around it. You pay for a report by a given school. You don't search a students name and come up with all the schools the student attended.

...until the student signs a statement that permits the school to verify. its called "view enrollment history" and it does just what you claim it does not. It can reverse, cross reference, and criss-cross. If you enrolled and can fog a mirror, then you in the system.

I've worked in graduate studies program of a major public university and seen an older version of this software. It was scary back then! So long as you list your social security number, then your probably in the database. And if your school does not participate, it probably will in the future.

Trust me, they have the technology and use it frequently.

 

[markytwain]

Does anyone know if it is the standard procedure for a medical school to check the enrollment record for all of their matriculants?

 

[nlax30]

Does anyone know if it is the standard procedure for a medical school to check the enrollment record for all of their matriculants?

Does it really matter? I mean come on, if it's you then just put everything on the app, if it's just a hypothetical question then it's kind of pointless.

 

[markytwain]

What if the application has already gone thru the verification process? What is the course of action at that point?

 

[ufgrad00]

http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/colleges/default.htm


WELCOME TO 21st CENTURY TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!

THERE IS NO PLACE TO HIDE


Go ahead, take a tour my darling........and this is only ONE service that offers this. They are far from a monopoly, there are private services that offer the same.

I love them. They even have a "HALL OF SHAME" http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/colleges/dv/hallofshame.htm

 

[Ziggy08]

What if the application has already gone thru the verification process? What is the course of action at that point?

Huh? You mean if the schools found out you falsified information? Umm.. reject you/kick you out, I guess?

I'm curious to know when schools do this, though. Pre-interview, post-interview, after acceptance, or after matriculation?

 

[Yourmother]

that I don't know about either.

I imagine they'd only conduct this very early in the acceptance process.

Don't know when, I just know they do...

 

[Yourmother]

What if the application has already gone thru the verification process? What is the course of action at that point?

Honestly, if you feel your guilty of non-disclosure, I'd make a private appointment with the dean. The guilt will haunt you until you get caught. Not a matter of if, only when.

 

[Jew Alcindor]

Not all schools use this Student Clearinghouse thing. Either way, I wouldn't make any appointments with the Dean; what difference will it make? You get rejected either way.

 

[Isoprop]

I have some experience with this b/c of transfer problems between schools and with employers. This is what I have found from my experience:

1. A private student clearinghouse relies on public directory information. At least one of my schools have an option to HIDE this information before you enroll; thus, "verification" through this private clearinghouse does not show up.
2. Legally speaking, any college/university you apply to has the ability to check for your enrollment status from any other educational institution at least in the United States. Whether they have a "inside" database of enrollment is anybody's guess. However, I had to jump through a lot of hoops to have a school I never went to mail an official enrollment verification to prove that I NEVER WENT THERE. If such a database exists, they certainly are NOT using it right now.
3. Schools cannot release non-directory information to private/non-educational organizations WITHOUT YOUR WRITTEN CONSENT. Also, "degree check" and "transcript request" organizations who may or may not have this information (e.g. degreechk.com) cannot release this information to private parties without your concent.

Theoretically speaking, if courses do not show up on ANY of your transcripts, you are likely NOT to be caught. I am positive there are unforunate cases of LIARS who abuse this system slip into medical school. They go undetected, graduate, and practice medicine.

Remember, a medical school can always take away your medical degree after graduation for a good reason. Perjury, IMO, seems like a good enough reason in this case.

Also remember, we live in an information age. It seems inevitable until transcripts and enrollment information becomes centralized in the U.S. For this practical reason, it is not worth lying about bad grades on your application.

 

[Isoprop]

What if the application has already gone thru the verification process? What is the course of action at that point?

if you just applied through amcas, withdraw your application and apply DO?

 

[Yourmother]

if you just applied through amcas, withdraw your application and apply DO?

good idea.

 

[Rotinaj]

I love them. They even have a "HALL OF SHAME" http://www.studentclearinghouse.org/colleges/dv/hallofshame.htm

That hall of shame thing pisses me off somewhat. It is just a reminder of how we are a ticket oriented society, and everyone with money is going to have their ticket. The reasons I failed at college before were closely tied to the fact that my job wasn't flexible enough for college and money was tight. It's getting harder and harder to find a good job without fudging a little. Go check out careerbuilder or monster and see some of the ridiculous requirements for jobs, some of them pay 12 bucks an hour and they want a 4-year degree and 3 years experience. Seriously, I think that kind of requirment would attract a complete *******. I mean who has a 4 year degree, 3 years experience and works for that?

Still, while I could complain a whole lot more, that's life and I have to deal with it. 😎

 

[markytwain]

I want to correct a poor judgement call that I made. While I did omitt some transcripts, they are from many years ago and they are not for prerequisites. However, I do realize that all transcripts are required for all colleges attended. My primary has been verified and I'm in the secondary process and some deadlines have passed. I'm thinking about calling all the schools I applied to, explaining the situation, and trying to send in the transcripts to them now. Not sure how they will react to that, or if it will even be possible as many school's deadlines for all materials are the 15th of this month. I'm also considering withdrawing my application and trying again next cycle fresh. Does anyone know if they keep old copies of application to compare with reapplicants to the school? Please help, I'm losing sleep and I'm incredibly sad and stressed out.🙁

 

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[littlealex]

That hall of shame thing pisses me off somewhat. It is just a reminder of how we are a ticket oriented society, and everyone with money is going to have their ticket. The reasons I failed at college before were closely tied to the fact that my job wasn't flexible enough for college and money was tight. It's getting harder and harder to find a good job without fudging a little. Go check out careerbuilder or monster and see some of the ridiculous requirements for jobs, some of them pay 12 bucks an hour and they want a 4-year degree and 3 years experience. Seriously, I think that kind of requirment would attract a complete *******. I mean who has a 4 year degree, 3 years experience and works for that?

Still, while I could complain a whole lot more, that's life and I have to deal with it. 😎

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[medguy83]

I am curious about how a medical school would be able find out if someone omitted a college/colleges in the schools previously attended portion of someone's application. I don't see how this would be possible. In addition, if this was to be caught, would it happen during the verification process?

I don't know about some huge database that med schools are privy to, but I doubt institutions in higher education would find it difficult to locate your student record and discover where you attended, gpa, disciplinary action, etc. All they would need is your Social, and that's provided on the AMCAS, so it'd be pretty easy.
Here's an important note: when applying to med school honesty is always the best policy.
To correct whatever error you may have made simply email them, or change it directly via AMCAS; howbeit, it's kind of late in the cycle, but better now than never.

 

[Picklesali]

I want to correct a poor judgement call that I made. While I did omitt some transcripts, they are from many years ago and they are not for prerequisites. However, I do realize that all transcripts are required for all colleges attended. My primary has been verified and I'm in the secondary process and some deadlines have passed. I'm thinking about calling all the schools I applied to, explaining the situation, and trying to send in the transcripts to them now. Not sure how they will react to that, or if it will even be possible as many school's deadlines for all materials are the 15th of this month. I'm also considering withdrawing my application and trying again next cycle fresh. Does anyone know if they keep old copies of application to compare with reapplicants to the school? Please help, I'm losing sleep and I'm incredibly sad and stressed out.🙁

If it's something that could have been an HONEST mistake or an oversight (like you did not think that you had to include the old transcripts because they were from so long ago and did not include any pre-reqs, and only realized after verification that you were mistaken) then I would definitely contact the schools and ask for their advice as to how you should proceed. If it was a case of a DISHONEST mistake (that would obviously be interpreted as nondisclosure rather than confusion), I would call AMCAS and ask them for advice. I do believe that AMCAS compares previous applications - but I think this would only be detrimental if you had previously turned in, say 3 transcripts, and the next year reapply with only 2. As for the schools - they definitely look for improvement in reapplicant so I imagine they keep a record as well.

If your losing sleep over it you should definitely act and act now. Why don't you call the school on the "bottom" of your list, tell them your situation and see what they say. Good luck.

 

[Concubine]

I want to correct a poor judgement call that I made. While I did omitt some transcripts, they are from many years ago and they are not for prerequisites. However, I do realize that all transcripts are required for all colleges attended. My primary has been verified and I'm in the secondary process and some deadlines have passed. I'm thinking about calling all the schools I applied to, explaining the situation, and trying to send in the transcripts to them now. Not sure how they will react to that, or if it will even be possible as many school's deadlines for all materials are the 15th of this month. I'm also considering withdrawing my application and trying again next cycle fresh. Does anyone know if they keep old copies of application to compare with reapplicants to the school? Please help, I'm losing sleep and I'm incredibly sad and stressed out.🙁

I am sorry to hear that (I am not being sarcastic). If your losing sleep, I'm guessing some of your grades from the college omitted were not so good or there was something bad on your transcript? From my perspective, you have two options:

A. You can call the schools, own up to the mistake, and at least feel good about yourself even though you will probably never make it into medical school (I know that's harsh, but I'm trying to be realistic). Maybe one of the schools will respect your honesty, because in my opinion, it would take a great guy to put his future on the line for honesty (if you did that I would be proud to be your classmate!).

B. Don't tell the schools. Even then, you will have to live with the doubt that if someone digs deep enough, you could lose your license as a doctor or get kicked out of medical school. Living with that guilt, at least for me, would be worse than telling the schools and moving on. If I was your classmate in this case, and found out, I would be very disappointed.

From my view, option A is the way to go. Even if you don't get in, you can at least say you were honest and owned up to your mistake. If I was an ADCOM, and I knew you did that, that would say a lot about you.