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I'm not sure what that means when a program is on probation? Are its residents out of work??
Probation question
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No, but if the program loses its accreditation, then the residents are SOL. Residents graduating from a non-accredited program cannot sit for their respective board exams. So probationary status should be taken seriously.
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MechE said:
University of Oklahoma is also on probation.
Texas Tech-El Paso,U. Tennessee-Memphis, U. of Puerto Rico have lost their accredidation.
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southerndoc said:
Clarification: Probationary Status and non-accredited programs are NOT the same thing! 🙂 OU Anesthesiology is on probation, but if you look at the acgme website, you will see that is is "accredited."
Those are strong words. I am at a program that is on probation (OU). While I am not here to recruit, and it doesn't make a difference in the world to me if you do not apply, I will tell what advice I was given on this issue.
My PD assured me that if the worst case scenario were to occur, they would, by contract, find me a program somewhere else. Also, status can be changed multiple times, and programs are re-assessed I believe once a year. So, for other guy, another scenario might be entering a program on probation, and completion of a program that becomes re-accredited. Conversely, you may enter an accredited program, that goes into probation or even non-accredited status. Also, if you interview at a place on probation, they will go to lengths to explain why, and what they have done to correct the deficiencies. Also, are these deficiencies gaping holes in the program or do they amount to technicalities that are or will be easily corrected?
As a side note, one resident told me this: Your odds of matching are higher to these programs if you rank them since less people rank them.
As for me, obviously I had other interviews at other non-probationary programs, and OU sold me on many issues: Level 1 Trauma center, solid PD, solid faculty, nice locale, low cost of living, proximity to friends/family, beautiful campus, volume, benefits, wonderful intern year, etc well you get the idea.
Just my two cents 😎
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timtye78, you have good points for sure but the flip side is if you match into such a program and that program does NOT pull it together (look at El Paso and others), then you are in a mess - sweating it out while the PD scrambles to get each and every affected resident a spot somewhere and THEN having to relocate to 'who knows where.'
Heck, if you are already in a program that goes on probation, you might as well stick it out and let the cards play-out. But to seek-out such a program for a match can be risky.
ACGME has standards they use (whatever they are) and I would not say that this would make OU (for instance) a bad place, but you are at the mercy of whatever ACGME wants to dish-out.
timtye78, I would say 'you' are in a far better position than someone comming in off the street. 😳
Heck, if you are already in a program that goes on probation, you might as well stick it out and let the cards play-out. But to seek-out such a program for a match can be risky.
ACGME has standards they use (whatever they are) and I would not say that this would make OU (for instance) a bad place, but you are at the mercy of whatever ACGME wants to dish-out.
timtye78, I would say 'you' are in a far better position than someone comming in off the street. 😳
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ys said:
To this list you should add University of Oklahoma (which I understand is near the end of probation due to improvements made by the new department director). The University of Tennessee Memphis lost its accreditation after being on probation for around seven years.
I am at the University of Mississippi. The problems that the program has have been addressed. The two major reasons for probation here were not enough research and too many faculty that are not board certified. There have been significant changes in faculty over the last few months. Now the entire faculty is board certified, and the vice-chairman has the research issue well underway. There are plenty of opportunities to be involved with research now as I am. All of our residents completed the recent inservice exams and scored above the 50th percentile. We expect that probation will be lifted during the next review period.
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As an update, I recently spoke with our residency coordinator here at OU.
She told me that the department expects a decision from ACGME by "the end of this month" (September).
I will annouce what happens here when I find out.
fingers crossed,
Tim
She told me that the department expects a decision from ACGME by "the end of this month" (September).
I will annouce what happens here when I find out.
fingers crossed,
Tim
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Here is the text from an email that was sent to our whole department that I cut and pasted word for word:
(FYI-Dr. Fitch is the PD for OU Anesthesiology)
"Dear Dr. Fitch,
My apologies if this information has not already been communicated from my office. The program was given Full Accreditation, with resurvey in 4 years. The RRC was especially commending about your accomplishments with the program. Congratulations.
Judith Armbruster"
ACGME
10/5/04
(FYI-Dr. Fitch is the PD for OU Anesthesiology)
"Dear Dr. Fitch,
My apologies if this information has not already been communicated from my office. The program was given Full Accreditation, with resurvey in 4 years. The RRC was especially commending about your accomplishments with the program. Congratulations.
Judith Armbruster"
ACGME
10/5/04
