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[cosine]

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Hey guys, i applied to this school a few months ago and have not heard back yet. I am consistently calling Jose Colon and emailing him but he doesnt pick up. Is anyone else having this problem and if so what did you guys do about it. Its already the summer time and I would like to know what is going on.

Thanks for any help

 

[rallthenamesgon]

Hey guys, i applied to this school a few months ago and have not heard back yet. I am consistently calling Jose Colon and emailing him but he doesnt pick up. Is anyone else having this problem and if so what did you guys do about it. Its already the summer time and I would like to know what is going on.

Thanks for any help

cosine,

I am having the same problem. Jose is never in. I have called a few times just to ask general questions about their program, but I have not heard back😡. So don't worry, he's not ignoring just you. In case you do hear from him let me know so maybe I can get him while he's still around.

 

[forum stalker]

Why would you guys still want to go to a school like that? Sounds bad already.

 

[maddi]

Do yourselves a favor and DON'T go. I never passed any of the 3 boards since they are always in a fiesta. The clinic is always closed. They already started with the July 4th holidays. Expect Jose Colon back July 16. when fiesta is over. Only have 2 choices to endure their maltraining or hop in the sack to get the grades.

 

[rallthenamesgon]

Do yourselves a favor and DON'T go. I never passed any of the 3 boards since they are always in a fiesta. The clinic is always closed. They already started with the July 4th holidays. Expect Jose Colon back July 16. when fiesta is over. Only have 2 choices to endure their maltraining or hop in the sack to get the grades.

That is what I was looking for. Someone who has had direct experience with the school. Correct me if I'm wrong maddi, but you have had experience haven't you? If so, I would like to pm you with questions that I have.

 

[maddi]

That is what I was looking for. Someone who has had direct experience with the school. Correct me if I'm wrong maddi, but you have had experience haven't you? If so, I would like to pm you with questions that I have.

What are your questions?

 

[Dr Who]

Do yourselves a favor and DON'T go. I never passed any of the 3 boards since they are always in a fiesta. The clinic is always closed. They already started with the July 4th holidays. Expect Jose Colon back July 16. when fiesta is over. Only have 2 choices to endure their maltraining or hop in the sack to get the grades.

maddi again?
I ask that you take what this person has to say with a HUGE grain of salt.
This person (cant tell if its a girl or a guy) has a history of saying some pretty nasty things about this school, the people who go there and the island in general, that not only offends, but flies in the face of reality. I am a med student there and the things she has written about the island are truly repulsive and not true. I try to ignore maddi as just another troll, but her posts are just too vile and repulsive to ignore. Actual students of the school have answered her posts and she ignores them, why?

I ask you to do a search on this person's previous posts (and the replies) to get an idea of what I mean. Some of the things this person has said are so mean spirited, racist and plain stupid that I have a very hard time believing she has ever even set foot on the island. Its almost as if she just created this hellish fantasy of what she thinks the school is like and repeats it over and over until she believes it.

I, and others who know what life in PR is really like have answered her (or his) posts before. If one tenth of the things she claims happens at the school are true the place would not only loose its accreditation, it would be sued left and right in state and federal courts. Remember that PR is a territory of the US, and as such is under US jurisdiction, with US laws.

If you want honest opinions about the school do a search and you will find many ACTUAL students who posted what the school is really like. Dont feed this troll any longer. I have been a member of SDN since 2004 and I believe in what it stands for. Please use your common sense and judgement when taking advice from certain individuals in these forums, who unfortunately use it to spread lies and hate.
She has stated, incorrectly, that I am a student at IAUPR, which I am not. I am a med student who just happens to attend school in PR. She has even gone as far as to accuse us of being "under cover IAUPR administrators" trying to "sell" the school. LOL If you dont believe me, read them for yourselves.

Here is a link of one of maddi's recent venomous tirades and how I answered each and every one. http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=5052091#post5052091

Notice how maddi dissapears after I set her (or him) straight. She had the audacity to make some claims that were so ridiculous that ignorance was to nice a word to describe them. I backed my statements with bonafide information, not some obscure website like she did on occasion. If you want to laugh (or cry) some more, do a search on maddi and see for yourself that this is something that happens regularly.

Dr Who

 

[maddi]

If you want proof of the REAL Puerto Rican laws (which are DIFFERENT than USA laws) all you have to do is search the internet for the PR yellow pages and ask a PR Lawyer about PR laws, that person will tell you it is not the same as USA laws, don't take this ignorat "wanna be doctor's" wishful opinions as fact.

"Dr" Who, I don't know how you think your "come backs" are proof of how good you "set me straight" in reality it only shows HOW PATHETICALLY DESPERATE YOU ARE TO CONVINCE PEOPLE (AND YOURSELF) THAT WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE. YOU ARE DESPERATLY TRYING TO CONVINCE YOURSELF YOUR FATE WON'T BE THE SAME AS MINE. YOU ARE PATHETIC, YOU SHOULD JUST BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF AND STOP DREAMING, BE HONEST WITH OTHERS AND DON'T SEND THEM TO HELL.

 

[maddi]

"Dr." Who =

 

[Dr Who]

If you want proof of the REAL Puerto Rican laws (which are DIFFERENT than USA laws) all you have to do is search the internet for the PR yellow pages and ask a PR Lawyer about PR laws, that person will tell you it is not the same as USA laws, don't take this ignorat "wanna be doctor's" wishful opinions as fact.

"Dr" Who, I don't know how you think your "come backs" are proof of how good you "set me straight" in reality it only shows HOW PATHETICALLY DESPERATE YOU ARE TO CONVINCE PEOPLE (AND YOURSELF) THAT WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE. YOU ARE DESPERATLY TRYING TO CONVINCE YOURSELF YOUR FATE WON'T BE THE SAME AS MINE. YOU ARE PATHETIC, YOU SHOULD JUST BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF AND STOP DREAMING, BE HONEST WITH OTHERS AND DON'T SEND THEM TO HELL.

LOL didnt know I was in "hell". Glad we have someone like yourself to point out that a tropical island is hell, especially in winter. As for being a "wannabe" doctor, thank you. I am proud to work hard each and every day to hopefully become a doctor in the future. Until I graduate and earn the honor of writing M.D. after my name you may call me a wannabe or whatever other names you can come up with, it doesnt bother me in the least. In the end it says more about you than me, doesnt it?

As for the laws, what exactly do you mean when you say PR laws are "different" from US laws? Exactly which PR lawyer gave you this information? What do you base this on, a search on the internet yellow pages?
Puerto Rico, as a territory of the US is under the US constitution. Its laws and local constitution are based on the US model. Its government is made up or three branches, a two chamber legislature, a judicial branch led by a state supreme court and an executive branch led by a governer. Elections are held every four years on the same day US national elections are held. Does this form of government sound familiar to you?

All lawyers who practice law have to belong to the local chapter of the American Bar Association, and as such can practice local and federal law in ANY state once they pass the local state bar exam. According to you PR laws are so different, then why are the law systems so integrated?

Ok so here is some more REAL information for those of you who might be interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Puerto_Rico

"The Government of Puerto Rico is a commonwealth within the United States consisting of a national and state government and 78 administrative sub-divisions called municipalities. The government was created in 1952 by the enactment of the Constitution of Puerto Rico. It is mainly modeled after the democratic government of the United States and consists of three branches of government: the executive branch headed by a Governor, the legislative branch consisting of the Legislative Assembly, and the judicial branch headed by the Supreme Court of Puerto Rico. All branches have their respective headquarters located at Old San Juan, Puerto Rico."

For those of you that want something more official than wikipedia then here is the link the the CIA world factbook:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/rq.html

Sorry maddi, but I couldnt find much information on the internet yellow pages...

Dr Who

 

[maddi]

"Dr" Who, when you distort the truth you only make yourself look bad. Call any lawyer in PR and ask him. PR laws are modeled after Spaniard law. You'll get a rude awakening when you'll need one.

I don't know why it bothers you so much "dr" who, except for the obvious, deep rooted fears, you should stay in your own MD school forums, how often do you see me trolling over there? You should stay out of other's peoples buisness, this isn't your profession. Are you going to be guarding all the forums of all the professions in existance for the rest of your life? It's not about you "dr" who. Get a life!

 

[Dr Who]

"Dr" Who, when you distort the truth you only make yourself look bad. Call any lawyer in PR and ask him. PR laws are modeled after Spaniard law. You'll get a rude awakening when you'll need one.

ok, I cant argue with all of the unsermountable proof you keep coming up with. I promise to ask a lawyer and keep current on my yellow pages... happy?
maddi, your wisdom and knowledge are just too much for me. 🙄
For everyone else, read my above comments and compare them with maddi's comments. Then do a search on earlier threads and come to your own conclusions.

 

[maddi]

ok, I cant argue with all of the unsermountable proof you keep coming up with. I promise to ask a lawyer and keep current on my yellow pages... happy?
maddi, your wisdom and knowledge are just too much for me. 🙄
For everyone else, read my above comments and compare them with maddi's comments. Then do a search on earlier threads and come to your own conclusions.

The "MD student god" has spoken, we must all bow in agreement.

 

[QBNOD]

Maddi is an ignorant person & those posts are . Did maddi get kicked out or rejected by IAUPR? Seems like this person has a "chip on their shoulder"?

I am a 4th year student @ IAUPR. The reason you might not hear back from admissions, etc. is because the school almost entirely shuts down for the summer (& its GREAT to get summers off!!!).

Be patient, & understand the concept of "island time", once you get here & get used to it (I have been here 4 years), you will terribly miss it whenever you go back to the states (I keep wondering why everyone is so uptight & always in a hurry when I go back home...). The attitude here is authentically Caribbean (thank God), no one stresses out about these kinds of things. This does take some time to get used (some people never do). You will find that everone here is supper friendly & there is always something fun going on all over the island. Your attitude will make the difference & will determine if your experince here will be awesome or dreadful.

If you choose to come here, remember you are a guest in PR & you have to adapt to the way things are done here. This is a US territory but there is a distinct culture and way of life that is different from the mainland US. This is true of anywhere new that you move to (I mean, how similar is Kentucky & Alaska, or Hawaii and Washington DC?). If you can't deal with that, then I suggest you find a school with demographics similar to where you live (& even there, your atitude will make the difference). SUre, some things here take longer to work out (like installing cable TV or a new phone line) but who cares? once you adapt to life here you don't even notice things like that. You are on an island, relax & chill out (remember the Malibu rum comercials - the islanders with the cell phone on the beach & the bus...).

For new 1st years, Jose Colon (admissions director) sets up a buddy system with 2nd years to answer any ?s & offer advice. The reason you may have trouble is because your 2nd year buddy is slacking (you should have been contacted & emailed a bunch of info & FAQ's). This is also done to compensate for the school being in "summer mode". This summer is extra crazy because the school is moving to a brand new campus (ready in August 2007), so be patient if you are applying this year.

Everyone at the school is very helpful & friendly, it just may take a bit of effort to contact people over the phone at times, usually because they have a backlog of calls, etc. Its no big deal, my experience traveling around different islands in different parts of the world has been that its just how island life is. Once you get here & the "island bug" bites you, you will wonder why people live such stressful lives in the mainland... then you realize how much you will miss it when you are finished (I am dreading moving back to the states)...

After meeting people from other schools and hearing about life there, believe me, ITS WORTH THE WAIT....

I write all of this on my laptop, in my balcony, sipping an ice cold Medalla (beer) while I am looking at the same beach that people spend thousands to vacation in (& I am 10 minutes away from school).

I would say this view was worth waiting for emails or returned phone calls that took too long....

 

[2BAnIDrNoMore]

I haven't read any of the responses but I have one thing to say about that school: UNORGANIZED! 👎 I too had problems getting him on the phone or even receiving an info packet in the mail...horrible! To this day I still don't have my packet he promised to send me; not once, twice but THREE times! Shameful. Anyway, I applied there at the last min b/c I thought PR would be a nice (i.e. beauty) place to go to school (I could also learn Spanish); that's the only reason I applied.

Anyway, because I applied there on a whim it wasn't a big deal they were completely unorganized; I had other offers. I mean come on, if they can't send an info packet I'd worry about the education I'd be receiving. Anyway, when I did get him on the phone he was like, "Oh ok, I'm writing down your address right now and I'll put it in the mail before we leave for holidays!" 4 weeks pass so I call mid Jan asking for my packet and he says, "Oh hey! Give me your address again (this was the 3rd time b/c I gave it to him twice before the holidays)...I'm putting it in the mail TODAY!" haha lmao..ya right buddy. Months pass so I come to the conclusion they are incompetent and leave it alone; I accept the offer from my 1st choice and start summer school. HE FINALLY CALLS MID JULY telling me, "We'd love to invite you for an interview; what are your plans in the next couple of weeks!?" I just told him no thanks...I'm ALREADY in opt school haha Ridiculous! Note: I filled out the app online after I never heard from him but I didn't even send my transcripts...wtf!!?? (I don't even think I paid the app fee lol)

A little bit of advice...apply somewhere else! Really...don't do it to yourself. But, I'm no longer in optometry school (I need a little more excitement...no offense...it's a good profession it just wasn't for me 🙂 ) soooooooo... But, a here's some more advice, make sure you REALLY WANT to be an optometrist and you're not doing it for other reasons. There were waaaayyyyy too many people in my class (and who are practicing) who HATE what they are doing b/c they went into optometry for the wrong reasons. (Most popular reason...alternative for med school; if you're a "FIXER" like I am you probably won't enjoy yourself. Everything you want to fix you'll have to refer to an MD...damn! 👎 )

Good luck with everything!

 

[meameame12]

ok, I cant argue with all of the unsermountable proof you keep coming up with. I promise to ask a lawyer and keep current on my yellow pages... happy?
maddi, your wisdom and knowledge are just too much for me. 🙄
For everyone else, read my above comments and compare them with maddi's comments. Then do a search on earlier threads and come to your own conclusions.

actually i agree with maddi, as you have a very vested interest in defending where you attend. i do think that schools elsewhere in the caribbean, peurto rico, etc., have an awful reputation, and there is a reason for that. there are horror stories. do a google search to read personal accounts. if you in the top 10 percent, sure you will most likely get a good residency back here in the USA. what happens if you tank? or are in the bottom percentile? the quality of the education, from what almost every student i have encountered, leaves much to be desired not only in terms of quality (where it really is wanting) but in competition as well. simply put, the U.S. students there are *there* for obvious reasons.

 

[Opii]

I am a 4th year student @ IAUPR. The reason you might not hear back from admissions, etc. is because the school almost entirely shuts down for the summer (& its GREAT to get summers off!!!).

Not true, there are clinical rotations & $$ummer $chool so the school is open year round.

Be patient, & understand the concept of "island time", once you get here & get used to it (I have been here 4 years).

I hope you didn't take the NBEO on "island time" because they are written in mainland time.

I write all of this on my laptop, in my balcony, sipping an ice cold Medalla (beer) while I am looking at the same beach that people spend thousands to vacation in (& I am 10 minutes away from school).

You may want to back off the alcohol long enough to take the boards.

Is it "QBNOD" like in "CubanOD" ? Maybe they do treat Carribean students good but Maddi seems Anglo/Other, she/he probably did go through "hell." Maybe opening 3 schools in the mainland is a good idea and closing 3 bad schools in oversaturated locations is best (notice I didn't mention which schools should be closed down so don't flame.).

One other thing, I noticed some O.D.s are currently "boycoting the graduates from the new optometry schools" in other Professional O.D. forums. They are planning on not hiring new school graduates. I think this same mentality may apply to "boycoting IAUPR ODs." Even if they are good, passed boards, etc... it's just about perception, and sometimes perception alone is all it takes to loose a job, since O.D.s are so much into buisness image, they wouldn't risk their buisness contacts, customers, patients... On the otherhand, if the new schools have bilingual students from these very same locations ( the 3 southwest locations were not chosen by accident folks, think about it) then the bilingual customers will be able to understand their spanish (remember mainland spanish and puerto rican spanish are very different and since 95% of the spanish speaking population in the mainland USA is from Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Columbia...) shouldn't the health care providers speak the same dialect? So Rallthenamesgon, if you say you know a little spanish which spanish did you learn? Chances are you learned mainland spanish ( I think I read that in another one of your threads).

 

[rallthenamesgon]

Yes Opii, you are correct. I learned mainland spanish. I know that there are two different "types" of spanish, but it's not like you would be carrying on an extensive conversation, it would just be the basics. Then to respond to my own comment, if just the basics are needed, one can take a simple course or even self teach themselves the basics😉.

 

[DiveMD]

Not true, there are clinical rotations & $$ummer $chool so the school is open year round.



I hope you didn't take the NBEO on "island time" because they are written in mainland time.

Is it "QBNOD" like in "CubanOD" ? Maybe they do treat Carribean students good but Maddi seems Anglo/Other, she/he probably did go through "hell." Maybe opening 3 schools in the mainland is a good idea and closing 3 bad schools in oversaturated locations is best (notice I didn't mention which schools should be closed down so don't flame.).

One other thing, I noticed some O.D.s are currently "boycoting the graduates from the new optometry schools" in other Professional O.D. forums. They are planning on not hiring new school graduates. I think this same mentality may apply to "boycoting IAUPR ODs." Even if they are good, passed boards, etc... it's just about perception, and sometimes perception alone is all it takes to loose a job, since O.D.s are so much into buisness image, they wouldn't risk their buisness contacts, customers, patients... On the otherhand, if the new schools have bilingual students from these very same locations ( the 3 southwest locations were not chosen by accident folks, think about it) then the bilingual customers will be able to understand their spanish (remember mainland spanish and puerto rican spanish are very different and since 95% of the spanish speaking population in the mainland USA is from Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Columbia...) shouldn't the health care providers speak the same dialect? So Rallthenamesgon, if you say you know a little spanish which spanish did you learn? Chances are you learned mainland spanish ( I think I read that in another one of your threads).

Well spoken "Spanish" (Castilian) is the same no matter where you go. Only regionalisms are different.

Can you understand Australian or British patients? Yes! Do they have their own regionalisms or slang? Of course…but the core of the language is the same.

 

[still_confused]

boycotting grads of the new schools? how childish and useless is that . its not the students fault that they chose the school that most met their needs. you can blame the AOA, schools, or corporate (we like to blame corporate for everything on this board) but the students have no say in your over supply problem, so those that are even thinking of this needs to grow up.

 

[Opii]

Well spoken "Spanish" (Castilian) is the same no matter where you go. Only regionalisms are different.

Can you understand Australian or British patients? Yes! Do they have their own regionalisms or slang? Of course…but the core of the language is the same.

I am sure you have heard UK doctors lecture here in the USA for our CE courses. When they lecture they don't use local British slang they use standard english. Any good lecturer always takes into consideration their audience.

You are not in the optometry industry. The mentality is very unique within the optometric field. Those of us who have been in this optometric grind for years know specifics about that school you don't know about. I'm sure your school was much better than this one in particular. In this school there are professors who specifically insist on using as much slang as possible, this gives the local students an edge, why do the professers do this? why? perhaps they are bitter because they tried and failed to make it in the states so had to return to the island? I don't know. I can think of three who had to return to PR bacause they didn't make it. From these 3 that I know 2 were excellent but suffered disicrimination, the other one totally deserved it... Everybody who has been in optometry long enough know who these "screw balls" are (no pun intended). Optometry is a very small world (unlike medicine). I agree castilian spanish would be universal and cover all people equally, and since they claim to be the latin american eye care "leaders" they should make an attempt to behave as such; for the sake of the foreigners who took "castillian spanish", Dominican students/other island students, and more importantly for the sake of the Puerto Rican students because they have aspirations to practice in the mainland, and because every spanish speaking doctor should speak eloquent spanish, they are not conversing in the streets, they are doctors, they should start behaving as such .. I am trying to be fair to 100% of the hispanic population in the USA not only 5% (concentrated in Florida & New York). The student population should represent this same profile and it does not.

I would completely support this school closing and opening a completely new optometry school in Puerto Rico with some of the damaging professors replaced with quality doctors, sir.

Have you met a Haiitian Doctor? They speak PERFECT FRENCH and they also speak Creole... to me THIS IS AN EDUCATED DOCTOR. Most importantly "educated doctors" should speak eloquent spanish no matter where the location, but in this particular school that is not the case. In the USA, doctors are expected to speak elevated english too, if we took upper class courses, if we are expected to be leaders of the local community, we are required to communicate as effectively as possible.

 

[DiveMD]

I am sure you have heard UK doctors lecture here in the USA for our CE courses. When they lecture they don't use local British slang they use standard english. Any good lecturer always takes into consideration their audience.

You are not in the optometry industry. The mentality is very unique within the optometric field. Those of us who have been in this optometric grind for years know specifics about that school you don't know about.
I'm sure your school (where ever it is) was much better than this one in particular. In this school there are professors who specifically insist on using as much slang as possible, why?

I am not in the optometry business, but I am a fully bilingual Puerto Rican physician currently practicing with the military and starting ophthalmology residency next year. I am not trying to argue with you regarding the education quality of the PR optometry school; I don't know anything about this place. My disagreement stems from your flawed analysis of the Spanish language in PR vs. mainland USA. Are you bilingual? Do you speak Spanish fluently? Even if I insert PR slang in my conversations most Hispanics are smart enough to deduce what they mean.

perhaps they are bitter because they tried and failed to make it in the states so had to return to the island?

This comment shows you true colors…

I don't know. Everybody who has been in opometry long enough know who these "screw balls" are (no pun intended). Optometry is a very small world (unlike medicine). I agree castilian spanish would be universal and cover all people equally, and since they claim to be the latin american eye care "leaders" they should make an attempt to do so; for the sake of the foreigners who took "castillian spanish", Dominican students/other island students, and more importantly for the sake of the Puerto Rican students because they have aspirations to practice in the mainland, and because every spanish speaking doctor should speak eloquent spanish, they are not conversing in the streets, they are doctors, they should start behaving as such .. I am trying to be fair to 100% of the hispanic population in the USA not only 5% (concentrated in Florida & New York). The student population should represent this same profile and it does not.

I have traveled throughout Spain and Latin America several times. I've never had any difficulty communicating with the locals. But this "apparent" difference in Spanish should not be the reason for your disapproval of this school. Instead you should criticize the lack of English lectures. Any PR School accredited by an American institution must teach in English since the Boards are in English as well. BTW, the ophthalmology community is actually smaller than optometry….

I would completely support this school closing and opening a completely new optometry school in Puerto Rico with some of the damaging professors replaced with quality doctors, sir.

This is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Have you met a Haiitian Doctor? They speak PERFECT FRENCH and they also speak Creole... to me THIS IS AN EDUCATED DOCTOR.

To somehow suggest that Puerto Rican Spanish is categorically similar to Creole is not just ludicrous, it's downright dumb. Again, are you sure you are fluent in Spanish?

Most importantly "educated doctors" should speak eloquent spanish no matter where the location, but in this particular school that is not the case. In the USA, doctors are expected to speak elevated english too, if we took upper class courses, if we are expected to be leaders of the local community, we are required to communicate as effectively as possible.

Are you implying that you never drop your guard when hanging out with your friends? Are you sure you don't drop an F-bomb here and there? Come on… Make all the criticism you want about this school; but do it objectively. Your recent diatribe against Puerto Rican Spanish makes any valid argument you might have seem like bigotry. 👎

Best Wishes,
DiveMD
Your hyperbaric doctor/future ophthalmologist...

 

[Opii]

I am not in the optometry business, but I am a fully bilingual Puerto Rican .......

I suspected this, now I see YOU are the one showing your true colors, why won't you allow for other hispanics to get an education? What makes your blood blue? Since you have an invested interest of course you are going to argue that PR spanish and everybody elses spanish is practically the same. That is what all doctors say when they want to practice in the mainland. But in our circles of optometry, it is the PR optometry professors that continuously have complained about everyone elses "bad spanish" - that is how they justify why only the PR students come out with good grades from that school. So it looks like you guys argue which ever side is to your invested interest. I am only repeating what so many PR optometrists have said to justify what is happening there. You should have a talk with them because you are arguing the complete opposite than PR Optometrists argue.

To somehow suggest that Puerto Rican Spanish is categorically similar to Creole .......

I never said that, everyone knows Creole is a mix of French and African decent. You on the other hand show your bias by "feeling insulted" with your percieved comparison to them. Again, what makes your blood better than theirs?

future ophthalmologist.......

Oooppsss, strike the "Sir", I was mistaken and thought I was speaking to a licensed officer in rank.

I'm curious to know why you are so inraged with 3 southwest optometry schools opening up? What's it to you? What do you care? PR OMDs hate PR ODs, so look on the bright side, you won't have those pesky optometry students on your island anymore, at least the non-carribean kind. And since PR optometrists are the ones always complaining they don't understand everyone else's "bad spanish" well they got what they asked for; If they continually refused to speak english during lectures then they got what they deserved. Loss of this financial income which made 1/2 of that class size. 20/40 students, more than 20 seats will open up with the 3 new schools. Ohhh, less Chavo for them, shucks.

 

[DiveMD]

I suspected this, now I see YOU are the one showing your true colors, why won't you allow for other hispanics to get an education? What makes your blood blue?

If I said that....quote me...

Since you have an invested interest of course you are going to argue that PR spanish and everybody elses spanish is practically the same. That is what all doctors say when they want to practice in the mainland. But in our circles of optometry, it is the PR optometry professors that continuously have complained about everyone elses "bad spanish" - that is how they justify why only the PR students come out with good grades from that school. So it looks like you guys argue which ever side is to your invested interest. I am only repeating what so many PR optometrists have said to justify what is happening there. You should have a talk with them because you are arguing the complete opposite than PR Optometrists argue.

What interests do I have in the course? Are we reading the same thread? Your reply makes no sense whatsoever. As I said, I am not an optometrist. My argument revolves around your POOR understanding of the Spanish language.

I never said that, everyone knows Creole is a mix of French and African decent. You on the other hand show your bias by "feeling insulted" with your percieved comparison to them. Again, what makes your blood better than theirs?

Totally off the mark, my point is that comparing Creole to PR Spanish is like comparing Chinese to Japanese. They are two diametrically different languages.

Oooppsss, strike the "Sir", I was mistaken and thought I was speaking to a licensed officer in rank.

You are...

I'm curious to know why you are so inraged with 3 southwest optometry schools opening up?

Are you sure you are reading my threads? Quote me....

What's it to you? What do you care? PR OMDs hate PR ODs, so look on the bright side, you won't have those pesky optometry students on your island anymore, at least the non-carribean kind. And since PR optometrists are the ones always complaining they don't understand everyone else's "bad spanish" well they got what they asked for;

I don’t' care. But your arguments about “differences” in Spanish are weak and uneducated. I am pretty sure you can’t communicate fluently with a Puerto Rican or a Mexican or an Argentinean or a Spanish. Your problem is not PR Spanish; it’s Spanish in general.

If they continually refused to speak english during lectures then they got what they deserved.

We agree in this particular point...finally.

Loss of this financial income which made 1/2 of that class size. 20/40 students, more than 20 seats will open up with the 3 new schools. Ohhh, less Chavo for them, shucks.

This one is beyond my scope...

 

[Opii]

They are two diametrically different languages...

Yes, I was not comparing the languages, I was comparing the level of responsability Haiitian Doctors take when they learn to speak: French, Spanish, Creole, and English FLUENTLY. THAT IS WHAT I CALL AN EDUCATED DOCTOR. Maybe YOU should read the thread MORE CAREFULLY.

You are... ...

😉 When the Surgen General is a NURSE, you never know who you are talking to, little buddy.

But your arguments about "differences" in Spanish are weak and uneducated. ...

My arguments are quotes from them when we listen to them in optometry conferences. They never miss a chance to put all other hispanics down. Take it up with them if you have a problem with it.

 

[DiveMD]

Yes, I was not comparing the languages, I was comparing the level of responsability Haiitian Doctors take when they learn to speak: French, Spanish, Creole, and English FLUENTLY. THAT IS WHAT I CALL AN EDUCATED DOCTOR. Maybe YOU should read the thread MORE CAREFULLY.

Again...are you fluent in Spanish?

😉 When the Surgen General is a NURSE, you never know who you are talking to, little buddy.

Maybe in the Army, but not in the NAVY. BTW, you are talking to a Diving Medical Officer in the US Navy.

My arguments are quotes from them when we listen to them in optometry conferences. They never miss a chance to put all other hispanics down. Take it up with them if you have a problem with it.

No comments...

 

[hfpepperbean47]

YEAH!!! I LOVE THAT "SMILEY"

 

[Opii]

Again...are you fluent in Spanish?

Who cares? Bottom line is we are both only required to speak english, nothing else. As a matter of fact the government hospital I was at last year had signs plastered all over the walls forbidding to speak any other language except english... you'll see those too when you get a little more experience and start working outside your comfort zone.

Maybe in the Army, but not in the NAVY. BTW, you are talking to a Diving Medical Officer in the US Navy.

Awww that's right, I suppose lieutenants are considered "officers." Let's just say I still wouldn't be calling you sir. I'm sure you can think of a few Optometry Majors, and LtCols in the base you're at in PR, I sure can ...


Bottom line is:
1. This thread is about Optometry Schools.
2. This thread is about the problems found in this Optometry School (which happens to be located in PR). If you look at my prior threads I bag on other schools too, I bag on my own school, I bag on anyone who is doing something wrong, immoral, shady, or illegal. I don't care about winning popularity contests in these threads, I don't care about being politically correct. I just want the students asking questions to really think hard about what they will be getting into.
3. This thread is not about OMDs.
4. This thread is not about Puerto Ricans.
5. So stay out of it.

 

[QBNOD]

Opii wrote:

"I hope you didn't take the NBEO on "island time" because they are written in mainland time.

[...]

You may want to back off the alcohol long enough to take the boards.

[...]

Maybe they do treat Carribean students good but Maddi seems Anglo/Other, she/he probably did go through 'hell'."

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Hey Opii,

1. How many years did you attend IAU? I have been here for the past 3 years and going on my 4th.... I think I know what happens at my school in the summer.

2. You may want to take up drinking, it might help ease the unnecessary hostility (Why so much anger in your tone? Seriously, have a beer and relax).

The ignorant presumptuous rant, you know, accusing a school of being racist (which in itself is a racist comment, like most of the ridiculous stupidity that I have read in some of these threads about IAU), then going off about taking boards on island time, give me a break dude, lighten up....

Broaden your horizons and understand the way unfounded ASSumptions make you look.... not too smart.

Its OK, people have opinions, no big deal... As a Dr (or future Dr) it will benefit all of us to realize that assumptions are stupid and when you apply it to your patients, you quickly realize that assuming just leads you down a road of misdiagnosis, wasted time, and lost sales... At least base your opinions on facts not just something you came up with that is totaly unfounded (or at least qualify it as such: unfounded speculative jibber-jabber).

In life, ASSuming usually has equally counterproductive consequences. Hopefully, you'll learn that with experience.
Sooo much hostility on this forum....

I'll go have another beer in your honor out in my balcony listening to the waves come in... maybe even puke (not necessarily because of the beer)

Ahhhh, island time, island life... don't knock it till you try it (& stop hating, you know you wish you could do the same).

RELAX, life is good.

 

[Opii]

1. How many years did you attend IAU? I have been here for the past 3 years and going on my 4th.... I think I know what happens at my school in the summer.

First you may want to learn quoting correctly, computer skills help out immensley in the real world.

I've been there about 7 years going on eight, any more relaxed and I could be here 10. Yet I passed all my boards, licensed, darn bast*%s just won't give me my diploma.

I'm not hostile, I'm factual. You just can't be drunk and pass the boards so maybe you might be the one to consider backing off the booze.

RELAX

Obviousley you have never worked professionaly as a real optometrist.