Question about volunteering/research/community service

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AlexxusMichelle

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Hey! Hope all is well! Ive just been busy at school and work. Im coming up on my junior year and I was wondering Should I resign or take a leave of absence from my job?

Basically, I know med schools like to see research and community service and shadowing but Im finding this hard to fit into my schedule while working. Im a nurse so I work 5 days a week 3-11 and during the day Mon-Thurs im in class. I scheduled my classes so that my last class of the day usually ends around 1230 from there i come home work out pack some dinner and head out to work.

Anyone have any suggestions as to what i should do? I know the obvious answer is probably to resign so Im able to have a strong app for med school, but Im hoping that through some GREAT time management I can continue to work.
I even looked at the some of the requirements of the schools i want to attend but I couldnt really find the actual amount of hours in each category they would like to see.

Any one got any experiences with this?😕
 
Hey! Hope all is well! Ive just been busy at school and work. Im coming up on my junior year and I was wondering Should I resign or take a leave of absence from my job?

Basically, I know med schools like to see research and community service and shadowing but Im finding this hard to fit into my schedule while working. Im a nurse so I work 5 days a week 3-11 and during the day Mon-Thurs im in class. I scheduled my classes so that my last class of the day usually ends around 1230 from there i come home work out pack some dinner and head out to work.

Anyone have any suggestions as to what i should do? I know the obvious answer is probably to resign so Im able to have a strong app for med school, but Im hoping that through some GREAT time management I can continue to work.
I even looked at the some of the requirements of the schools i want to attend but I couldnt really find the actual amount of hours in each category they would like to see.

Any one got any experiences with this?😕

There are no "hard and fast" requirements for research, volunteering or shadowing. These are things that are good to have on your application to set you apart from others but all of these are not mandatory.

I was accepted by six out of the six schools that I applied to without shadowing or community service. I had been a respiratory therapist, college professor (biochemist) before applying to medical school. My academics were strong and thus I didn't NEED loads of extracurriculars.

If you are a nurse, you don't have to spend loads of hours shadowing. Just perhaps a couple of hours with a physician one morning or afternoon will suffice for you. You could also do volunteer at a soup kitchen or free clinic since you have a license for a few hours here and there once or twice.

You don't need research for medical school unless your academics/MCAT are on the lower side of average (matriculant). The folks that are rushing to do research are trying to offset a poor uGPA or MCAT score. If you don't have these, you don't need to drop out of school for research.
 
There are no "hard and fast" requirements for research, volunteering or shadowing. These are things that are good to have on your application to set you apart from others but all of these are not mandatory.

I was accepted by six out of the six schools that I applied to without shadowing or community service. I had been a respiratory therapist, college professor (biochemist) before applying to medical school. My academics were strong and thus I didn't NEED loads of extracurriculars.

If you are a nurse, you don't have to spend loads of hours shadowing. Just perhaps a couple of hours with a physician one morning or afternoon will suffice for you. You could also do volunteer at a soup kitchen or free clinic since you have a license for a few hours here and there once or twice.

You don't need research for medical school unless your academics/MCAT are on the lower side of average (matriculant). The folks that are rushing to do research are trying to offset a poor uGPA or MCAT score. If you don't have these, you don't need to drop out of school for research.
I respect njbmd but disagree with the characterization that people who are "rushing to do research" are trying to offset poor academic performance. I think a lot of med schools are looking for people who will be leaders in medicine, and a research background could suggest that. However, a lot of things could suggest that, and moreover, a lot of people forget that research is not just bench research in a biology lab.

Alexxus, is your nursing job the only activity you do outside of class?
 
It's worth noting that some schools are going to be looking for a research background more than others. Steriotypically the "big name" places are more research oriented.
 
I respect njbmd but disagree with the characterization that people who are "rushing to do research" are trying to offset poor academic performance. I think a lot of med schools are looking for people who will be leaders in medicine, and a research background could suggest that. However, a lot of things could suggest that, and moreover, a lot of people forget that research is not just bench research in a biology lab.

Alexxus, is your nursing job the only activity you do outside of class?


For now it is. My freshmen year i did alot of meals on wheels and habitat for humanity. The next year i went to school during the day and went to a tech school to be an lpn. Ive been doing that ever since. I do like to work bc its in the field im passionate about and the money is good. It allows me to have more fun on my free time... the little that i have. If i wasnt working I would be living off student loans and my GI bill. Since Im working i live off the GI bill and my paycheck. It allows me to be a little more comfortable and not the "starving student" type... lol... BUT i will take some time off if i realolty need to be doing research and more community service. My ms desireable schools are UM, Ponce in PR and one of the med schools in NY (still doing research). I want to have a strong app and since Ill be a junior in the fall i Know these last 2 years i really need to get alot of ECs in. Im apart of many associations on campus too... Latin american, student government and african american societies... I think ill take the summer off from work and just try to go abroad or something.... this gets really confusing sometimes for me bc i really DONT KNOW exactly what they want and i want them to want me!!! Thanks for the info.
 
Hey! Hope all is well! Ive just been busy at school and work. Im coming up on my junior year and I was wondering Should I resign or take a leave of absence from my job?

Basically, I know med schools like to see research and community service and shadowing but Im finding this hard to fit into my schedule while working. Im a nurse so I work 5 days a week 3-11 and during the day Mon-Thurs im in class. I scheduled my classes so that my last class of the day usually ends around 1230 from there i come home work out pack some dinner and head out to work.

Anyone have any suggestions as to what i should do? I know the obvious answer is probably to resign so Im able to have a strong app for med school, but Im hoping that through some GREAT time management I can continue to work.
I even looked at the some of the requirements of the schools i want to attend but I couldnt really find the actual amount of hours in each category they would like to see.

Any one got any experiences with this?😕

Every students situation is different and I would suggest that you speak with an admissions rep at the school(s) that you are interested in and see what they would suggest. My mentor is on the adcom of my states med school and we recently sat down and went over my portfolio. I spent 12 years in the Army and Air Force working as a medic and another five working as a med assistant in a cardiology clinic, so for UA, they are fine with my direct patient care experience. I have several semesters of research experience, so she said that would be good as well. Where my portfolio was lacking was in the volunteer experience. The last significant volunteer work that I did was in 2005 and she said that UA would like to see something more current. I've spoken with reps at other schools and they have said that everything in my portfolio is fine and that I just need to focus on killing the MCAT. Again, contact the schools that you're interested and see what they tell you. As far as research, it won't help you if you have a low GPA; however, a lot of schools want to see the research element as some think that it shows that you have the ability to be analytical. Also, if you have any interest in doing any research in medical school (MD/PhD or some other type of research-oriented programs), research is a must.
 
This is a break down of the requirements for admissions at the University of Utah SoM. They break down the number of hours expected for research, patient care, physician shadowing, leadership experiences, etc... Maybe this will give you an idea of what some schools may be looking for in those categories that you mentioned:

Required Activities

Extracurricular Activities

Extracurricular activities are defined as activities outside the usual duties of a full-time job and/or school. The committee is interested in how applicants deal with the demands of their lives outside of the classroom. This is a strong indicator of how well they handle responsibilities and deal with stressful situations. It also predicts how well they will handle the difficult demands of medical school. Activities may include sports, church, family, volunteering and other special interests.
  • The minimum requirement is some involvement in outside activities.
  • The average applicant devotes 20 hours per week during each of the 4 years prior to entering medical school to activities such as volunteer service, research, athletics, student government and family obligations.
Community/Volunteer Service

Community/Volunteer service is defined as involvement in a service activity without constraint or guarantee of reward or compensation. The medical profession is strongly oriented to service in the community. Applicants should demonstrate a commitment to the community by involving themselves in service and volunteer activities. Work performed in service learning courses and community service performed as part of employment does not satisfy this requirement.
  • The minimum requirement is 36 hours.
  • The average applicant devotes 48 hours during each of the 4 years prior to entering medical school.
Leadership


Leadership is defined as a position of responsibility for others, with a purpose to guide or direct others. Dedication, determination, ability to make decisions and a willingness to contribute to the welfare of others are indicators of one's ability to succeed in medicine. Individuals with these characteristics readily accept positions of leadership and are an asset to their community and profession. Leadership capacity can be demonstrated in a variety of ways. Positions in employment, church, community and school organizations including coaching, tutoring and mentoring will satisfy this requirement.
  • The minimum leadership requirement is 1 leadership experience lasting 3 months during the 4 years prior to matriculation.
  • The average applicant has 3 different leadership experiences each lasting 3 months during the 4 years prior to matriculation.
Research

Research is defined as involvement in a scholarly or scientific hypothesis investigation that is supervised by an individual with verifiable research credentials.
Research is the foundation of medical knowledge. We consider participation in research activities to be an important part of the preparation for medical school. Physicians depend on medical literature to remain current in their fields. Most physicians participate in research at some point in their careers. Research experience may be in any discipline and performed at any site. However, it must involve the testing of a hypothesis.
Research performed, as part of a class is not acceptable unless the course was in independent research and the applicant completed independent, hypothesis-based research under the supervision of the professor. Research completed for a graduate thesis is acceptable. Applicants should be able to describe their project, the hypothesis investigated, and their role in the conduct of the research.
  • The minimum requirement is 4 hours per week for 2 months or the equivalent of 32 hours.
  • The average experience is 4 hours per week for 3 months or the equivalent of 48 hours.
Physician Shadowing

Physician shadowing is defined as the observation of a physician as s/he cares for and treats patients and carries out the other responsibilities of medical practice.
Applicants should spend enough time directly shadowing physicians to understand the challenges, demands and lifestyle of a medical doctor. Shadowing must be done with an allopathic (M.D.) or osteopathic (D.O.) physician. Time spent shadowing residents, physician assistants, podiatrists, veterinarians, nurses, EMT's, PhD's etc., will not be considered.
  • The minimum requirement is 8 hours shadowing a physician(s) through all the activities of an average day.
  • The average applicant spends 24 hours with a physician(s).
Patient Exposure

Patient exposure is defined as direct interaction with patients and hands-on involvement in the care of conscious people. It is important that the applicant be comfortable working with and around people who are ill.
Direct patient exposure can be gained in a variety of ways. Patient contact must include patients other than family members and friends and does not include indirect patient care such as housekeeping (cleaning operating rooms or patient rooms) working at the hospital information desk, or working in a pharmacy.
  • The minimum patient exposure requirement is 4 hours per week for a period of 2 months or the equivalent of 32 hours.
  • The average applicant spends 4 hours per week in patient exposure for 3 months or the equivalent of 48 hours.
Note: Time spent shadowing a physician cannot be used to meet the patient exposure requirement.
 
This is a break down of the requirements for admissions at the University of Utah SoM. They break down the number of hours expected for research, patient care, physician shadowing, leadership experiences, etc... Maybe this will give you an idea of what some schools may be looking for in those categories that you mentioned:

Required Activities

Extracurricular Activities


Extracurricular activities are defined as activities outside the usual duties of a full-time job and/or school. The committee is interested in how applicants deal with the demands of their lives outside of the classroom. This is a strong indicator of how well they handle responsibilities and deal with stressful situations. It also predicts how well they will handle the difficult demands of medical school. Activities may include sports, church, family, volunteering and other special interests.
  • The minimum requirement is some involvement in outside activities.
  • The average applicant devotes 20 hours per week during each of the 4 years prior to entering medical school to activities such as volunteer service, research, athletics, student government and family obligations.
Community/Volunteer Service


Community/Volunteer service is defined as involvement in a service activity without constraint or guarantee of reward or compensation. The medical profession is strongly oriented to service in the community. Applicants should demonstrate a commitment to the community by involving themselves in service and volunteer activities. Work performed in service learning courses and community service performed as part of employment does not satisfy this requirement.
  • The minimum requirement is 36 hours.
  • The average applicant devotes 48 hours during each of the 4 years prior to entering medical school.
Leadership



Leadership is defined as a position of responsibility for others, with a purpose to guide or direct others. Dedication, determination, ability to make decisions and a willingness to contribute to the welfare of others are indicators of one's ability to succeed in medicine. Individuals with these characteristics readily accept positions of leadership and are an asset to their community and profession. Leadership capacity can be demonstrated in a variety of ways. Positions in employment, church, community and school organizations including coaching, tutoring and mentoring will satisfy this requirement.
  • The minimum leadership requirement is 1 leadership experience lasting 3 months during the 4 years prior to matriculation.
  • The average applicant has 3 different leadership experiences each lasting 3 months during the 4 years prior to matriculation.
Research

Research is defined as involvement in a scholarly or scientific hypothesis investigation that is supervised by an individual with verifiable research credentials.
Research is the foundation of medical knowledge. We consider participation in research activities to be an important part of the preparation for medical school. Physicians depend on medical literature to remain current in their fields. Most physicians participate in research at some point in their careers. Research experience may be in any discipline and performed at any site. However, it must involve the testing of a hypothesis.

Research performed, as part of a class is not acceptable unless the course was in independent research and the applicant completed independent, hypothesis-based research under the supervision of the professor. Research completed for a graduate thesis is acceptable. Applicants should be able to describe their project, the hypothesis investigated, and their role in the conduct of the research.
  • The minimum requirement is 4 hours per week for 2 months or the equivalent of 32 hours.
  • The average experience is 4 hours per week for 3 months or the equivalent of 48 hours.
Physician Shadowing

Physician shadowing is defined as the observation of a physician as s/he cares for and treats patients and carries out the other responsibilities of medical practice.

Applicants should spend enough time directly shadowing physicians to understand the challenges, demands and lifestyle of a medical doctor. Shadowing must be done with an allopathic (M.D.) or osteopathic (D.O.) physician. Time spent shadowing residents, physician assistants, podiatrists, veterinarians, nurses, EMT's, PhD's etc., will not be considered.
  • The minimum requirement is 8 hours shadowing a physician(s) through all the activities of an average day.
  • The average applicant spends 24 hours with a physician(s).
Patient Exposure

Patient exposure is defined as direct interaction with patients and hands-on involvement in the care of conscious people. It is important that the applicant be comfortable working with and around people who are ill.

Direct patient exposure can be gained in a variety of ways. Patient contact must include patients other than family members and friends and does not include indirect patient care such as housekeeping (cleaning operating rooms or patient rooms) working at the hospital information desk, or working in a pharmacy.
  • The minimum patient exposure requirement is 4 hours per week for a period of 2 months or the equivalent of 32 hours.
  • The average applicant spends 4 hours per week in patient exposure for 3 months or the equivalent of 48 hours.
Note: Time spent shadowing a physician cannot be used to meet the patient exposure requirement.

WOW...goodbye job. i think i wil contact them, I was hesitant to contact the schools bc !. i havent even compiled a total list of chools and 2. Im not a junior yet, I was kinda worried that they would ask and I would be turned away. Thanks for that info. As for the shadowing is it is it 24 per yr? WOW.... yeah i may need to go part time or something. This is alot. In the end I really want the med school so sacrificing the job for now is not so hard.
 
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