question from a canadian

[avenirv]

Advertisement - Members don't see this ad

for the american medical community, which canadian medical school is "more prestigious"/"better viewed", UotT or McGill ?
thank you.

 

[toxic-megacolon]

for the american medical community, which canadian medical school is "more prestigious"/"better viewed", UotT or McGill ?
thank you.

Most Americans don't know/don't care.
Much in the same way people in Canada don't care if someone went to the #1or #2 school in Pakistan, just that they went to school in Pakistan is important.

For what it's worth in the surgery world U of T is more prestigious for those in the know.

 

[avenirv]

Most Americans don't know/don't care.
Much in the same way people in Canada don't care if someone went to the #1or #2 school in Pakistan, just that they went to school in Pakistan is important.

For what it's worth in the surgery world U of T is more prestigious for those in the know.

thank you.
what is interesting is the fact that the american and canadian medical schools are acredited and audited by the same organization. so, i think it is important if you come from harvard or hopkins or god-knows-what-american-or-canadian-medical-school.

 

[HDMTX]

U of T.

 

[Winged Scapula]

I'd disagree - McGill is well known internationally (and even in the US) for fine education whereas U of T is not recognized for education other than being "recognized" ("Yes, T does have a university."). There are some specialties which might know more about U of T (ie, it has a Colorectal fellowship that some US surgeons have trained at.)

Most US medical faculty does have some knowledge of medical education outside of the 50 states.

 

[Surgeon24]

Even if it is 'more presitigious' or 'best viewed', doesn't necessarily means you want to train there. Get to know the residency program before applying.

 

[xylem29]

I'd disagree - McGill is well known internationally (and even in the US) for fine education whereas U of T is not recognized for education other than being "recognized" ("Yes, T does have a university."). There are some specialties which might know more about U of T (ie, it has a Colorectal fellowship that some US surgeons have trained at.)

Most US medical faculty does have some knowledge of medical education outside of the 50 states.

McGill is well known because it WAS one of the top institutions in Canada in terms of research funding, publications, and government endowments. In terms of reputation, there is a lag time between what people think and what is reality.

The reality is that for the past ten years till present, U of T has leaped way ahead of McGill in the amount of research output, funding, and endowments. Toronto has also been consistently ranked in Canada as #1 for Medicine/Doctoral programs. You don't even have to think or consider various factors - anyone in Canada in the know, knows U of T is #1 and you can see this in every type of ranking there is. On SDN's ranking, which is based on student opinion - Toronto is ranked 19 in North America McGill is 27. Its Business school is ranked third amongst all other non-US b-schools worldwide (i should mention that the top 3 b-schools on that list are all in Ontario, Canada) by B-week online.

A worldwide ranking by http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006TOP500list.htm

puts Toronto at 24 and McGill at 62.

And if you look here http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006_TopAmer.htm

You'll see that Toronto is 24 globally, 19th in N and S. Americas, and 1 in Canada (where McGill is 3rd in Canada).

 

[Chinnychin]

Mcgill is known more for its undergrad education and like the bias in the states where people often recognize a "name" because its a well known undergrad but not necessarily a top med school-case in point-GW-has top law programs, top undergrad programs, lots of name recognition and most people think it is a really good med school (even many PDs I have come across believe it or not mentioned what a top school that is) so name has a lot to do with "overall" recognition

 

[Acherona]

ugh why do i get sucked into these...
McGill and Toronto are tied for #1 Medical/Doctoral category as far as I know. http://www.macleans.ca/universities/article.jsp?content=20051114_115060_115060

McGill is well known because it WAS one of the top institutions in Canada in terms of research funding, publications, and government endowments. In terms of reputation, there is a lag time between what people think and what is reality.

The reality is that for the past ten years till present, U of T has leaped way ahead of McGill in the amount of research output, funding, and endowments. Toronto has also been consistently ranked in Canada as #1 for Medicine/Doctoral programs. You don't even have to think or consider various factors - anyone in Canada in the know, knows U of T is #1 and you can see this in every type of ranking there is. On SDN's ranking, which is based on student opinion - Toronto is ranked 19 in North America McGill is 27. Its Business school is ranked third amongst all other non-US b-schools worldwide (i should mention that the top 3 b-schools on that list are all in Ontario, Canada) by B-week online.

A worldwide ranking by http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006TOP500list.htm

puts Toronto at 24 and McGill at 62.

And if you look here http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006_TopAmer.htm

You'll see that Toronto is 24 globally, 19th in N and S. Americas, and 1 in Canada (where McGill is 3rd in Canada).

 

[xylem29]

ugh why do i get sucked into these...
McGill and Toronto are tied for #1 Medical/Doctoral category as far as I know. http://www.macleans.ca/universities/article.jsp?content=20051114_115060_115060

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Toronto

"The University of Toronto publishes more research than any other university in North America besides Harvard University."

"The University of Toronto library system is Canada's largest academic library and is ranked fourth largest in North America after Harvard, Yale, and Illinois."

"The university's endowment exceeds $1.6 billion—far larger than any other Canadian university.[6] It has an operating budget of $1.1 billion, with $517 million in research and grant and contract support"

In the world of academia - in all fields, medicine, science, etc - UToronto has surged past whatever McGill was 30 years ago. Today, if you want to talk about prestige - it's pretty clear.

Oh btw, McGill reserves the majority of its med school seats for Quebec residents, 12 for international, and 5-7 for OOP Canadians.

Toronto doesn't reserve seats for anyone - other than 7 for international students. Otherwise, if you are Canadian, it doesn't matter what province you're from. Ontario is the only province that has schools that do this - why? Because Ontario is the most competitive province with the most competitive applicants - just take a look at the applicant statistics at the maritime provinces and western provinces and you will always see that: the OOP applicants always outnumber the IP applicants - even though only 5 - 10% of the class seats are open to OOP students. Ontario students just flood out of the province and apply nation wide - and measures are taken: from having lower GPA and MCAT standards for IP students, to reserving 90% of the seasts for IP students, to ensure ON students don't take all the seats.

 

[Acherona]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Toronto

"The University of Toronto publishes more research than any other university in North America besides Harvard University."
.

omg what is your problem. nobody cares about how great U of T is. You've posted the same thing on like 3 threads. Canada has like 17 med schools, the difference between them all seems negligible. Statements like Mcgill is "30 years behind" are just ridiculous.

oh and i just realized you responded to a thread that was started in like November...

 

[Winged Scapula]

McGill is well known because it WAS one of the top institutions in Canada in terms of research funding, publications, and government endowments. In terms of reputation, there is a lag time between what people think and what is reality.

The reality is that for the past ten years till present, U of T has leaped way ahead of McGill in the amount of research output, funding, and endowments. Toronto has also been consistently ranked in Canada as #1 for Medicine/Doctoral programs. You don't even have to think or consider various factors - anyone in Canada in the know, knows U of T is #1 and you can see this in every type of ranking there is. On SDN's ranking, which is based on student opinion - Toronto is ranked 19 in North America McGill is 27. Its Business school is ranked third amongst all other non-US b-schools worldwide (i should mention that the top 3 b-schools on that list are all in Ontario, Canada) by B-week online.

Thank you for all the information above and in your other posts, but the OP was asking about US medical faculty's perception of the difference between the two schools. You've even addressed this in the end of your first paragraph:"McGill is well known because it WAS one of the top institutions in Canada..."

regardless of what really is true (like the perfect GW example above, or the commonly held belief that Harvard is the best place for *everything*), US faculty are NOT as familiar with UT as opposed to McGill. Right or wrong - it is what it is.

 

[orientedtoself]

i didn't know that toronto had a university. i have heard of mcgill.

 

[Acherona]

Mcgill is known more for its undergrad education and like the bias in the states where people often recognize a "name" because its a well known undergrad but not necessarily a top med school-case in point-GW-has top law programs, top undergrad programs, lots of name recognition and most people think it is a really good med school (even many PDs I have come across believe it or not mentioned what a top school that is) so name has a lot to do with "overall" recognition

Actually, mcgill is known for its med school, which was the first faculty at mcgill. Montreal needed an english hospital and james mcgill wanted to found a university...so that's how it started. Then other important ppl came along that the mcgill med faculty won't ever let you forget like Sir William osler and Wilder penfield. Whether it still deserves its reputation is a different story, but all the schools in Canada are government funded and there aren't that many of them, consequently the quality is pretty much the same, unlike in the states. Toronto may be the most competitive but that's due to quotas in other provinces not because it is so much more prestigious everyone wants to go there (like the top schools in the states).

 

[operationivy]

McGill is well known because it WAS one of the top institutions in Canada in terms of research funding, publications, and government endowments. In terms of reputation, there is a lag time between what people think and what is reality.

The reality is that for the past ten years till present, U of T has leaped way ahead of McGill in the amount of research output, funding, and endowments. Toronto has also been consistently ranked in Canada as #1 for Medicine/Doctoral programs. You don't even have to think or consider various factors - anyone in Canada in the know, knows U of T is #1 and you can see this in every type of ranking there is. On SDN's ranking, which is based on student opinion - Toronto is ranked 19 in North America McGill is 27. Its Business school is ranked third amongst all other non-US b-schools worldwide (i should mention that the top 3 b-schools on that list are all in Ontario, Canada) by B-week online.

A worldwide ranking by http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006TOP500list.htm

puts Toronto at 24 and McGill at 62.

And if you look here http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2006/ARWU2006_TopAmer.htm

You'll see that Toronto is 24 globally, 19th in N and S. Americas, and 1 in Canada (where McGill is 3rd in Canada).

Clearly you must be Canadian. Most Americans have never even heard of the University of Toronto. Most Americans wouldn't even be able to tell you that Toronto is in Ontario. McGill has a MUCH more recognizable name and is a much better medical institution...sorry to burst your bubble.