Question on waving right to view LOR

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First, is it better to waive your right or not waive your right and why?

Second, can programs you apply to see if you did not waive your right to view the LOR?

Third, if you do not waive your right to view it, will you be able to see the LOR on ERAS?

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First, is it better to waive your right or not waive your right and why?

Second, can programs you apply to see if you did not waive your right to view the LOR?

Third, if you do not waive your right to view it, will you be able to see the LOR on ERAS?

Always waive the right to view your letters. I'm 99% sure programs can see if you don't. I don't know the answer to your third question.
 
So, you should always waive your right to see them, and then ask the writer to provide you copy.

The way I see it is this, I have waived my "right" to see the letter, does not mean "I have not seen this letter", it just means I acknowledge that I have no inherit right to view it.

There are some stuffy codgers who will say that I am borderline unethical, but heres the ruff.

Most letters are meh, some are great, but everyone once in awhile, someone will write something bad in a LOR. You CAN NOT allow that to happen.

You have worked your ass off to get where you are. Studied your ass off for the MCAT, competed against the best of the best to even get into Med school, then competed with all the other med students, to possibly get a residency spot, which will determine how you practice FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. If you think for even one half of a second that I would risk all of that for some quasi-chivalrious idea of not seeing what someone else is writing about me, then you are an idiot.

And furthermore. If ANYONE thinks that I am wrong, then you can kiss my ass.
 
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If you cant trust that the person you ask for a letter would write you a good letter, you shouldn't be asking them.

Always waive your write!
 
First, is it better to waive your right or not waive your right and why?

Second, can programs you apply to see if you did not waive your right to view the LOR?

Third, if you do not waive your right to view it, will you be able to see the LOR on ERAS?

Waive is much better than not. It means that the writer can be honest in their assessment.

Yes, we can see it.

No, you will be unable to see your letters in ERAS no matter what you do.

So, you should always waive your right to see them, and then ask the writer to provide you copy.

There is nothing illegal or unethical about this. But the letter writer is free to refuse. If they refuse, then you need to decide whether you'll use the letter anyway, or not.
 
There is nothing illegal or unethical about this. But the letter writer is free to refuse. If they refuse, then you need to decide whether you'll use the letter anyway, or not.

Would you say this is because there is a high chance they said something mediocre or bad on the letter? Or is this because of the fact one asked the letter writer to see it and it might have rubbed him/her the wrong way?
 
Always choose to waive it.

First, if you don't, no program who is reviewing the letter will trust whats in it. Programs absolutely see whether or not the student waived their right to see it.

Second, I wouldn't waive the right then ask the letter writer to see it. While I agree, technically, this is probably ok from a legal standpoint, it also may make you appear dishonest to the letter writer, the very person you just spent a month trying to impress to give you a LOR. The last thing you want to do is shoot yourself in the foot right at the end. I can tell you if any student ever waived their right to see a SLOE I wrote for EM, then asked to see the SLOE, I'd immediately find them dishonest in my book and I'd even consider mentioning in the LOR itself.

Part of actually evaluating and stratifying students, rather than giving everyone the same grade, is actually evaluating them and doing so without them looking over your shoulder. I think in EM we nail this perfectly with our SLOE process. I wish other fields did the same. Students have to accept this; if every single student all had perfect LORs that all said they'll be the perfect (EM/IM/FP/etc) doc, then all the LORs become meaningless. There needs to be an honest assessment that stratifies student performance. Just accept that fact, work hard, and hope that your "honest assessment" reflects you being a good student, assuming you were a good student. Trying to control it by manipulating the system will just lead to you appear dishonest I'm afraid.

If you were 100% freaked about by having no clue what your LORs say, perhaps your schools dean will recommend what LORs you should send to programs? This isn't actually you seeing the LORs but they could skim them and give you an idea if there is a LOR to absolutely NOT include.
 
Always choose to waive it.

First, if you don't, no program who is reviewing the letter will trust whats in it. Programs absolutely see whether or not the student waived their right to see it.

Second, I wouldn't waive the right then ask the letter writer to see it. While I agree, technically, this is probably ok from a legal standpoint, it also may make you appear dishonest to the letter writer, the very person you just spent a month trying to impress to give you a LOR. The last thing you want to do is shoot yourself in the foot right at the end. I can tell you if any student ever waived their right to see a SLOE I wrote for EM, then asked to see the SLOE, I'd immediately find them dishonest in my book and I'd even consider mentioning in the LOR itself.

Part of actually evaluating and stratifying students, rather than giving everyone the same grade, is actually evaluating them and doing so without them looking over your shoulder. I think in EM we nail this perfectly with our SLOE process. I wish other fields did the same. Students have to accept this; if every single student all had perfect LORs that all said they'll be the perfect (EM/IM/FP/etc) doc, then all the LORs become meaningless. There needs to be an honest assessment that stratifies student performance. Just accept that fact, work hard, and hope that your "honest assessment" reflects you being a good student, assuming you were a good student. Trying to control it by manipulating the system will just lead to you appear dishonest I'm afraid.

If you were 100% freaked about by having no clue what your LORs say, perhaps your schools dean will recommend what LORs you should send to programs? This isn't actually you seeing the LORs but they could skim them and give you an idea if there is a LOR to absolutely NOT include.


Schools can't see letters anymore (as of last year I think?)
 
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