Questions about citing excessive

[libraryismyhome]

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I am a premed trying to publish an article as the first author, but since I don't know much about the subject (Neurology), most of my background information is coming from books and papers I read, so I have to cite almost every sentence I am writing though each sentence is thoroughly reworded and restructured, and the flow of ideas is completely mine.
(1) Will citing almost every sentence in background or discussion prevent me from getting published?


Even for methodology, I would need to borrow the idea of a paper that is intended to be used for projects like mine. They used normal subjects, and I would be studying patients with unique diseases using their method. I will of course cite the source.
(2) How much I would be able to replicate their method, if I cite properly? I mean their method is just so trenchant to my project not just with the usage of device to collect data but also the way parameters are designed.


I do not mind impact factor and just want to publish for the first time! Thank you in advance!!

 

[soundnin]

... so I have to cite almost every sentence I am writing though each sentence is thoroughly reworded and restructured, and the flow of ideas is completely mine.

it's not uncommon to cite heavily in the introduction. just look at lots and lots of papers to get an idea of what's excessive?

some thoughts - first of all, you almost never have to cite a textbook (it's not like i check references for every paper i read, but i think this almost never happens). also, from what you wrote there, i'm a little confused about what exactly it is you are writing in your introduction. you just need some background knowledge to put your work in the context of what is currently out there in the community and to let people know why your work is worth reading. what the introduction is not for is listing exhaustive detailed background on everything you find to be new and interesting in neurology.

... (2) How much I would be able to replicate their method, if I cite properly?

i don't understand this. citing it properly will have no effect on how well you can replicate their method 😕

 

[libraryismyhome]

it's not uncommon to cite heavily in the introduction. just look at lots and lots of papers to get an idea of what's excessive?

some thoughts - first of all, you almost never have to cite a textbook (it's not like i check references for every paper i read, but i think this almost never happens).

good, I can now relax. Thanks 🙂

also, from what you wrote there, i'm a little confused about what exactly it is you are writing in your introduction. you just need some background knowledge to put your work in the context of what is currently out there in the community and to let people know why your work is worth reading. what the introduction is not for is listing exhaustive detailed background on everything you find to be new and interesting in neurology.

I see. I am currently writing some type of data request form, but my PI and other PI want me to write with a lot of detail by finding stuff from papers. Hopefully, this info will go into discussion I hope.

i don't understand this. citing it properly will have no effect on how well you can replicate their method 😕

So I guess I can use their method without even rewording parameters, variables and etc correct?

 

[soundnin]

I see. I am currently writing some type of data request form, but my PI and other PI want me to write with a lot of detail by finding stuff from papers. Hopefully, this info will go into discussion I hope.

you lost me again. what info will go in the discussion?

So I guess I can use their method without even rewording parameters, variables and etc correct?

report whatever YOU did. if you used their experimental design exactly, then that's that.

good luck!

 

[libraryismyhome]

you lost me again. what info will go in the discussion?



report whatever YOU did. if you used their experimental design exactly, then that's that.

good luck!

I won't know what info will go in the discussion until viewing the statistically analyzed results and start writing the actual paper. 😛

Thanks alot!! 😀

 

[PfNO22]

I am a premed trying to publish an article as the first author, but since I don't know much about the subject (Neurology), most of my background information is coming from books and papers I read, so I have to cite almost every sentence I am writing though each sentence is thoroughly reworded and restructured, and the flow of ideas is completely mine.
(1) Will citing almost every sentence in background or discussion prevent me from getting published?


Even for methodology, I would need to borrow the idea of a paper that is intended to be used for projects like mine. They used normal subjects, and I would be studying patients with unique diseases using their method. I will of course cite the source.
(2) How much I would be able to replicate their method, if I cite properly? I mean their method is just so trenchant to my project not just with the usage of device to collect data but also the way parameters are designed.


I do not mind impact factor and just want to publish for the first time! Thank you in advance!!

This ia a very good question for your lab mentor! I mean, this kind of question is what they are there for!

 

[HumanBean]

Even for methodology, I would need to borrow the idea of a paper that is intended to be used for projects like mine. They used normal subjects, and I would be studying patients with unique diseases using their method. I will of course cite the source.
(2) How much I would be able to replicate their method, if I cite properly? I mean their method is just so trenchant to my project not just with the usage of device to collect data but also the way parameters are designed.

Instead of "borrowing the idea" you should think of it as building on to previous research. You can replicate their method if you cite them and then briefly describe the technique. Keep in mind that you're not just copying what some other group did, there is a reason you needed to use that specific device to collect the data to address your hypothesis. I'm assuming they published their methods and they don't have intellectual property rights that would prevent others from using that device.

 

[Neuronix]

This ia a very good question for your lab mentor! I mean, this kind of question is what they are there for!

Seconded. All of your questions are appropriate for your lab mentor (or maybe post-doc). We cannot possibly know the nuances of your writing, the scientific material, and your field.